End of Season Rank the rookie QB's

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, RPbillsfan said:

Mayfield played 4 years in college.  Had best players around him his rookie season.  Very solid offensive line, almost 1000 yard rusher, excellent WR, TE and RB's.  I see him being a pretty consistent 64% completion %, 25 TD, 10 INT guy with limited yards running.  Very solid, 10 to 12 year starter.  Few Pro Bowl games and nice career.

 

Think Allen and Darnold could put up crazy Aaron Rogers stats based on potential.

 

Yikes. I don’t agree

[Boatdrinks]

20 minutes ago, 87168 said:

I don’t get the hate for Lamar.

 

Who just won their division?

Some cannot accept changes in the NFL game that are occurring today. 

[BillyWhiteShows]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

I'd like to see a ranking of the offensive lines for these teams. Browns looked ok, Baltimore was solid, Bills were awful, Cards were god awful, and I think maybe the Jets were just ok. Seems to be about how the stats broke down for the QBs. Mayfield looks much better than the rest as far as consistency, but after that it gets harder to separate them with overall team play. 

 

Very good observation

[billieve420]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Some cannot accept changes in the NFL game that are occurring today. 

 

Playing with a super bowl caliber defense doesn’t hurt as well.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, billieve420 said:

 

Playing with a super bowl caliber defense doesn’t hurt as well.

Nope, doesn’t hurt. It doesn’t make the offense Super Bowl caliber, either. 

[Victory Formation]

Mayfield

Allen

Darnold

Jackson

Rosen

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I thought this was one of the best QB draft classes in quite some time for the QB position and i still believe it, I think every one of these QB's has potential to be a special player but who these teams surround these young QB's with from here on out will be a huge deciding factor going forward. Baker Mayfield to me had the best situation, the OL did lose a huge OT in Joe Thomas but it was still adequate and they had the best WR group of the bunch imo. Sam Darnold was plagued by the same things that he did wrong in college and that was the turnovers, if he can erase those turnovers he and Josh Allen will be like watching Marino and Kelly all over again. Josh Allen to me had the least to work with and really impressed me, I didn't even know he was this good of a runner in college, he never really showed this side on tape, to me he has Brett favre's gun slinger mentality, Big Bens pocket presence escapability and Steve Youngs gift of running for first downs, he is going to be a hell of alot of fun to watch. Rosen was victimized this season and if Arizona doesn't get Rosen an OL and weapons he is going to go down in a ball of fire but you cant really blame the guy and nobody can question his toughness, he took a pounding this year and was still respectable but I don't think Arizona is good at drafting or able to real in the necessary players along the OL imo. I loved Lamar Jackson in college and I told people he is going to translate to the NFL, people said Mike Vick, Randall Cunningham, Cam Newton won't translate to the NFL and they were dead wrong, this guy is a baller but the smart thing he's done most of the year was not take massive shots on all of these QB runs, I'm not saying none of his runs resulted in little hits, I'm sure defenses were teeing off on him but when i watched him from game to game he was going down sliding not taking shot after shot on every play.

 

That being said in 2018:

 

1. Mayfield

2. Josh Allen

3. Sam Darnold

4. Lamar Jackson

5. Josh Rosen

 

Beyond:

1. Mayfield

2. Allen

3. Jackson

4. Darnold

5. Rosen

[rayray808]

all bias aside...

 

Mayfield has a coaching staff tailored specifically to him. They drafted a RB and WR for him, and also signed Jarvis Landry. He has all the support in the world, and balled out.

 

Allen was thrown into a literal offensive dumpster fire. He checked into his first game because we were getting smashed. He had 0 help at the RB and WR position. Yet through all the he persevered and got better each week. The injury was the best thing to happen to his career because he got to watch and learn.

 

Darnold/Rosen had similar situation of just being on bad teams with coaches who were getting canned at some point. They did the best with what they had, but neither showed me a week to week improvement like Allen did.

 

Lamar Jackson was sort of like Allen, but with a great team. He also gets better each week, but lacks the intangibles of a true polished franchise leader.

 

with that said...

 

THIS YEAR

1) Josh Allen

2) Baker Mayfield

3) Lamar Jackson

4) Sam Darnold

5) Josh Rosen

 

THE FUTURE

1/2) Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield - Pro Bowl and franchise QB's - 10 year starters

3) Sam Darnold - he will be the Jets guy and it will be great to watch him and Allen battle

4/5) Rosen and Jackson - back up QB's in the league within 3 years

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

This isn't updated for this week yet. They've only graded 7 of today's games, and haven't graded Baker, Lamar, or Rosen yet. I assume it'll be the same order still but I'd guess the gap between Baker and Allen will be a little larger than that.

 

 

Before the season, I had them ranked, in terms of being ready to play this year:

 

1. Baker

2. Lamar

3. Rosen

4. Allen

5. Darnold

 

In terms of overall rankings, I had it:

1. Lamar

2. Darnold

3. Allen

4. Baker

5. Rosen

 

After seeing them all play this year, I'd probably go:

1A. Baker

1B. Lamar

3. Allen

4. Darnold

5. Rosen

 

Lamar Jackson runs a gimmick offense. Basically he is a black version of Tim Tebow right now. The dude is not even close to Mayfield in terms of ability to play QB.  I'd probably put him 4th ahead of Rosen...

 

 

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

 

Lamar has completely transformed that team and he's nowhere near his potential ceiling. Allen isn't near his yet either. If either of them are able to reach their respective ceilings, they'll probably be MVP candidates IMO.

 

Jackson has done a good job but winning while throwing for 150 yards a game probably isn't sustainable long term. Basically he is a glorified Tim Tebow right now. In his 7 starts he broke 200 yards passing 1 time...barely at 204 yards against San Diego...

Edited December 31, 2018 by matter2003

[Amaru523]

I thought Baker Mayfield was the best this year, but Josh Allen had the least help, by far. I think Allen was better than Darnold. The Bills were 5-6 in games that Josh started, while the Jets were 4-9 in games Darnold started. Both accounted for 18 TD's, Darnold threw 15 picks to Allen's 12. Darnold had better WR weapons and a much better o-line. I strongly believe that if we had the other Josh or Darnold, we'd be picking first in the draft. If the Bills FO can get Allen some o-line help and WR's/TE's that can catch, he'll be the best of the bunch in my biased opinion.

 

Now: 1) Baker, 2) Allen, 3) Darnold, 4) Lamar, 5) Rosen

 

Future: 1) Allen, 2) Baker, 3) Darnold, 4) Lamar, 5) Rosen

[Big Turk]

39 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Mayfield

Allen

Darnold

Jackson

Rosen

Someone makes sense finally...

[greeneblitz]

5 hours ago, RPbillsfan said:

1. Baker Mayfield

2. Lamar Jackson

3. Josh Allen 

4. Sam Darnold

5. Josh Rosen

 

 

Huh? Josh Allen is a far better passer and runner than Lamar Jackson.

[Patrick Duffy]

4 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

I am actually excited for something other than the draft.  It's amazing.  Even going 10-6 in 2007, it was evident Anderson wasn't the answer long term. This is completely different. 

Yes it is very different for you guys. Happy for the Browns fans.

[row_33]

Nice to have good thoughts about the future at QB for once

 

 

[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Lamar has completely transformed that team and he's nowhere near his potential ceiling. Allen isn't near his yet either. If either of them are able to reach their respective ceilings, they'll probably be MVP candidates IMO.

It's going to take a lot of work from both of them.  I agree both have HOF potential.  However, I think scheme matters with Lamar where as with Allen I believe he could run any scheme.

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Posted 7 hours ago

 

1. Baker Mayfield

2. Lamar Jackson

3. Sam Darnold

4. Josh Allen 

5. Josh Rosen

 

In terms of long term potential, I can't see how a QB with a 52% can be judged as the one with the best long term potential. I know I'll get flamed for saying it, but the top 3 assets a successful NFL QB needs are accuracy, accuracy and accuracy. You can't teach it. You either wake up with it or you don't. Josh doesn't. He runs exceptionally well, but he can't live and die by that. His final pass efficiency rating was a 67. He might raise that a bit in year 2 with better awareness, but inaccuracy will be his undoing.

[row_33]

Stats on your little laptop make up at most a third of the necessities on judging talent in sports.

[JoPar_v2]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Stats on your little laptop make up at most a third of the necessities on judging talent in sports.

 

Who are you talking to? Everyone in the thread or someone in particular?

[row_33]

4 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Who are you talking to? Everyone in the thread or someone in particular?

 

Anyone who thinks pct completion and INT and QBR is sufficient in itself to judge perfectly the career of a QB for any era.

 

i have no idea what they are getting at unless they are paid a lot of money to do this.... 

[JoPar_v2]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

Anyone who thinks pct completion and INT and QBR is sufficient in itself to judge perfectly the career of a QB for any era.

 

i have no idea what they are getting at unless they are paid a lot of money to do this.... 

 

Ok yes I was genuinely wondering not trying to undermine anything you said; just a bit confusing since you didn’t quote anyone.

 

and you’re right those stats should be starting points for discussing a QB’s performance, not ending points.

[Artem Lipatov]

Now:

1. Mayfield

2-4. Allen, Lamar, Darnold

5. Rosen

 

In several years:

1. Allen

2. Mayfield

3. Darnold 

4. Lamar

5. Rosen

 

And don't forget Mahomes, who is not rookie but played his 1st season and already MVP candidate.

When Brady, Rivers and Big Ben finally retire these new guys and teams will dominate in AFC  

[row_33]

It was a good season giving us a strong crop of promising rookie QBs. This fan enjoyed watching them in their struggles and successes.

 

“The Book” on their abilities will be extremely sifted and reviewed for their sophomore run and hopefully many of them will be able to meet the merciless challenges to their weaknesses.

 

[Patriot Killa]

Now:

Baker Mayfield

Sam Darnold 

Josh Allen

Lamar Jackson

Josh Rosen

 

5 years later:

Sam Darnold 

Baker Mayfield

Josh Allen

Josh Rosen

Lamar Jackson

Edited December 31, 2018 by Patriot Killa

[Trogdor]

6 hours ago, Amaru523 said:

I thought Baker Mayfield was the best this year, but Josh Allen had the least help, by far. I think Allen was better than Darnold. The Bills were 5-6 in games that Josh started, while the Jets were 4-9 in games Darnold started. Both accounted for 18 TD's, Darnold threw 15 picks to Allen's 12. Darnold had better WR weapons and a much better o-line. I strongly believe that if we had the other Josh or Darnold, we'd be picking first in the draft. If the Bills FO can get Allen some o-line help and WR's/TE's that can catch, he'll be the best of the bunch in my biased opinion.

 

Now: 1) Baker, 2) Allen, 3) Darnold, 4) Lamar, 5) Rosen

 

Future: 1) Allen, 2) Baker, 3) Darnold, 4) Lamar, 5) Rosen

I actually don't think the Bills were worse than the Cards. Similar struggles at RB, Cards Oline was much worse somehow, and Larry Fitz was hobbled a lot. Neither situation is great for a rookie QB. With Zay and Foster finally showing up and the relatively weak schedule after the halfway point, I think the Bills had an easier time. The schedule actually worries me a bit and I'm hoping team improvement wasn't just a mirage because the Patriots were the only decent team they played after week 9. 

[JMF2006]

I think each team got the QB they wanted.

 

How they develop will be on that teams management and coaching.

 

That said I think they will all have decent NFL careers.

 

I think Boomer said it best about JA.......he is must watch TV and a very exciting player   

 

 

[rayray808]

here is an interesting thought... if you put Josh Allen on the following teams how would he look?

 

Browns - his completion percentage would go way up with Landry, Callway and Njoku. Also, he wouldn't have to rely on his legs with Chubb running the ball. Dare I say he sneaks them into the playoffs over Baltimore?

 

Jets - similar struggles as Buffalo, but again, less dropped passes which would mean a higher completion percentage.

 

Cardinals - same as above.

 

Ravens - he would have done what Lamar Jackson has done but better.

 

_______

 

point being, Josh Allen is the gem of this draft. 

[Rochesterfan]

8 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

here is an interesting thought... if you put Josh Allen on the following teams how would he look?

 

Browns - his completion percentage would go way up with Landry, Callway and Njoku. Also, he wouldn't have to rely on his legs with Chubb running the ball. Dare I say he sneaks them into the playoffs over Baltimore?

 

Jets - similar struggles as Buffalo, but again, less dropped passes which would mean a higher completion percentage.

 

Cardinals - same as above.

 

Ravens - he would have done what Lamar Jackson has done but better.

 

_______

 

point being, Josh Allen is the gem of this draft. 

 

Love your optimism, but I am not sure I believe he makes the Browns better.

 

I think Mayfield with his accuracy was a perfect fit for what they wanted to do.  Allen’s numbers would be better, but I do not think he improves the Browns.

 

The battle between Darnold and Allen is interesting to me - I think Darnold will continue to have some better numbers, but will make more critical mistakes (both fumbles and Ints).  

 

In either case they got their guys and the Bills did not have the chance at either - so I really look at the guys we could of had Rosen or Jacksonand think we made the right choice.

[Bing Bong]

15 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I don't understand the Jackson hype. Tyrod 2.0. Extremely limited in pass game

Because he's winning and scoring an insane amount of rushing TDs. It's clearly the Ravens game plan with designed runs.

 

He's so much better on the run. It's lethal. Takes it to the house from 40 yards out any given play. Michael Vick 2.0.

[Bray Wyatt]

14 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Because he's winning and scoring an insane amount of rushing TDs. It's clearly the Ravens game plan with designed runs.

 

He's so much better on the run. It's lethal. Takes it to the house from 40 yards out any given play. Michael Vick 2.0.

 

Doesnt he average something like 4 ypc? As of right now he is a running back that is a decent passer. Not saying he reached his ceiling, but he definitely needs to improve if he wants to be as good as the hype makes him out to be. Greg Roman is the perfect OC for him, but I think he is being helped by the switch mid season and change of offense. I expect a regression next year imo once DC's can have more time to prepare for the gimmick they run.

 

Edit: Also I believe JA has more rushing TDS

Edited December 31, 2018 by Bray Wyatt

[Jay_Fixit]

15 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I truly don’t understand the people that say Mayfield is as good as he’s going to get.

Because those people write and say words just to write and say them.

 

__________

Mayfield

Darnold

Allen

Jackson

Rosen

 

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Jay_Fixit

[jletha]

1 hour ago, rayray808 said:

here is an interesting thought... if you put Josh Allen on the following teams how would he look?

 

Browns - his completion percentage would go way up with Landry, Callway and Njoku. Also, he wouldn't have to rely on his legs with Chubb running the ball. Dare I say he sneaks them into the playoffs over Baltimore?

 

Jets - similar struggles as Buffalo, but again, less dropped passes which would mean a higher completion percentage.

 

Cardinals - same as above.

 

Ravens - he would have done what Lamar Jackson has done but better.

 

_______

 

point being, Josh Allen is the gem of this draft. 

 You are very bullish on JA. I think we have reason to be optimistic but to say every other scenario would have fared better for Allen and the team is kinda insane.

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

Doesnt he average something like 4 ypc? As of right now he is a running back that is a decent passer. Not saying he reached his ceiling, but he definitely needs to improve if he wants to be as good as the hype makes him out to be. Greg Roman is the perfect OC for him, but I think he is being helped by the switch mid season and change of offense. I expect a regression next year imo once DC's can have more time to prepare for the gimmick they run.

 

Edit: Also I believe JA has more rushing TDS

He's playing winning football right now. I'm sure both his OC and opponents DC will adjust for a less one-dimensional offense from the Ravens. I mean he's played like way less games than all the rookies.. no doubt doesn't have any numbers Josh has, but I watched the entire Browns game. He took 3 to the house from 40 yards 2 that were called back on questionable holding calls. Regardless, Tyrod 2.0 is a very unfair comparison. I haven't seen a quarterback with that kind of a threat to score on any play since Vick. And he's no slouch passing either, just doesn't do it much. He's running a really fun, hard to believe offense right now that is sure to change. But I'm pulling for the Ravens in the playoffs because they are winning convincingly ever since they got Lamar starting and just completely denying any conventional wisdom. It's fun. No reason to change it now. Obviously they'll be more prepared with a difference offense, but it's a small miracle the Ravens went from Flacco's offense to Lamar's on a dime and have had the success they've had. My favorite rookie QB to watch outside of JA.

 

HE IS NOT TYROD 2.0. Dumb dumb dumb.. really lazy comparison.

Edited December 31, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

He's playing winning football right now. I'm sure both his OC and opponents DC will adjust for a less one-dimensional offense from the Ravens. I mean he's played like way less games than all the rookies.. no doubt doesn't have any numbers Josh has, but I watched the entire Browns game. He took 2 to the house from 40 yards out that were called back on questionable holding calls. Regardless, Tyrod 2.0 is a very unfair comparison. I haven't seen a quarterback with that kind of a threat to score on any play since Vick. And he's no slouch passing either, just doesn't do it much. He's running a really fun, hard to believe offense right now that is sure to change. But I'm pulling for the Ravens in the playoffs because they are winning convincingly ever since they got Lamar starting and just completely denying any conventional wisdom. It's fun. No reason to change it now. Obviously they'll be more prepared with a difference offense, but it's a small miracle the Ravens went from Flacco's offense to Lamar's and have had the success they've had. My favorite rookie QB to watch outside of JA.

 

HE IS NOT TYROD 2.0. Dumb dumb dumb.. really lazy comparison.

Tyrod played winning football in Buffalo.

[Bing Bong]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Tyrod played winning football in Buffalo.

lol yes he did. He gets a bad wrap here IMO. idk if this is trolling.. I just think Lamar Jackson is a way better threat running than Tyrod dreamed of in terms of Chris Johnson or Vick ability to get chunk rushing plays in a snap. He's not bad whatsoever at passing either.. it's just whatever he's doing works so much better if he just keeps running as much as he is. With that defense and strong running game getting TOP.. it's a deadly poison.

 

He seems far better than Tyrod at this juncture IMO. I mean.. he took Flacco's spot whereas Tyrod didn't for the Ravens lol. Running a waaaay different offense and style of play than Tyrod. HE'S NOT TYROD.

 

Dropping Tyrod. Ain't no other rookies scratching his win loss % this year. Winning football babee. Went like 6-1. Tyrod don't do that.

Edited December 31, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[thenorthremembers]

Mayfield 

Jackson

Darnold and Allen are interchangeable 

Rosen

 

However Lamar Jackson gets to second based on win percentage and throwing to tight ends and runningbacks.  Watched him last night and he is severely limited as a passer, especially to wideouts.  I think he will flame out as a passer in the next three years.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by thenorthremembers

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

lol yes he did. He gets a bad wrap here IMO. idk if this is trolling.. I just think Lamar Jackson is a way better threat running than Tyrod dreamed of in terms of Chris Johnson or Vick ability to get chunk rushing plays in a snap. He's not bad whatsoever at passing either.. it's just whatever he's doing works so much better if he just keeps running as much as he is. With that defense and strong running game getting TOP.. it's a deadly poison.

 

He seems far better than Tyrod at this juncture IMO. I mean.. he took Flacco's spot whereas Tyrod didn't for the Ravens lol. Running a waaaay different offense and style of play than Tyrod. HE'S NOT TYROD.

 

Dropping Tyrod. Ain't no other rookies scratching his win loss % this year. Winning football babee.

He runs more, that's for sure. In his 7 starts he ran 119 times for 556 yards (17 attempts per game & 79 YPG)

[Bing Bong]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

He runs more, that's for sure. In his 7 starts he ran 119 times for 556 yards (17 attempts per game & 79 YPG)

Yeah watch a full Ravens game. It's absolutely absurd. And the coolest part is it's working. Excited to see if they can make some noise with this in the playoffs

 

It's essentially a full game evolved wildcat RPO every play. Would be fun to see this confuse the heck out of Beli like the Dolphins had.

Edited December 31, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Bing Bong]

15 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Lamar has completely transformed that team and he's nowhere near his potential ceiling. Allen isn't near his yet either. If either of them are able to reach their respective ceilings, they'll probably be MVP candidates IMO.

I'm all about Lamar right now. He is electric to watch. And he's not a bad passer really. He's just barely called to pass (doesn't really need to) but he gets it done when needed. Bizarre offense that Lamar's is executing perfectly. I miss having a real Michael Vick type quarterback in the league.

Edited December 31, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

People who have Josh Rosen anything other than 5th are wrong. I've seen nothing from him to show me otherwise. And, this is from a guy who liked him better than Allen coming out. I was wrong and knew it very early in the season. Rosen just doesn't have the athleticism or skill that Allen has. He also looks frail and may be durability challenged. Admit it when you are wrong people.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Josh "Real Deal" Allen

[syhuang]