A Few Thoughts about the Pats Game, In no particular order

[Bing Bong]

Damn Virgil this is the maddest I've seen you!

[Toledo Bill]

4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Has no one seen Unnecessary Roughness?

Classic locker room scene. Love how he ends it with a calm “let us pray”.

[ocemur]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Has no one seen Unnecessary Roughness?

That's the movie that has like 90 minutes of wasted footage edited around five minutes of Kathy Ireland?

[nedboy7]

What happened to last year's coach?  Who is this guy? 

[machine gun kelly]

273 yards rushing for the Patsies.  That and the drops pissed me off the most.  I don’t know if I agree completely with Allen as BB has torched rookie QB’s for over 15 years.  Not an excuse, but he still has a lot to learn.

[row_33]

Just asking, but did shutting down the passing game cause too much defensive exposure to the Pats running game today?

 

you can’t have it all...

 

 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

Just asking, but did shutting down the passing game cause too much defensive exposure to the Pats running game today?

 

you can’t have it all...

 

 

 

No. Their passing game just sucked.  

[row_33]

Just now, Virgil said:

 

No. Their passing game just sucked.  

 

They lost a top WR due to druginess late this week

 

[T_Thomas]

1 hour ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

 We will be fighting the Jets for the division starting next year. 

 

I've been saying this for 8 years.  

[RaoulDuke79]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Bills fans don't even try to hide their jealousy.

You really seem to take any knock on the Patriots to heart. Make me wonder where your loyalty lays.

[RiotAct]

stahhppp quoting the entire post.

1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

You really seem to take any knock on the Patriots to heart. Make me wonder where your loyalty lays.

I noticed OP’s point #10, too.  I just figure most Patriots fans are white-bread “old money” types.  :shrug:

[Thriftygamer83]

1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

Credit them is such a cop out. He got outcoached and out schemed. Today was his worst coaching performance. Your right, next year is it- he better unscrew things or hes done. Honestly, I have no faith right now.

I credit McDermott for being smart enough to avoid the ax in Carolina.  It’s a pity Kim striped in as our football czar was Tom Coughlin had interviewed for the job.  So, we now have an inexperienced meddling owner over engaged into decisions and not wanting to give up control.  Mismanaging this team into basically giving away tickets, discounted meal vouchers, hotel room vouchers, and trying to play catch up finically; drastically performing massive layoffs in the PSE shared hospitality industry.  Check the PSE Twitter feed and they actually hired an exit sports franchise consultant.  You cannot unscrew this up; all you can do is pray I’m wrong.  

[CincyBillsFan]

Nice review.  While I don't agree with everything you posted as usual it's always a thought provoking analysis.

 

My take on Allen is that with better WR/TE play this would have been one of those rookie QB days where you say "damn he made some dumb throws and decisions but he also made a bunch of great plays".  IMO Allen's 2 INT's are on him 100%.  But damn, he should have at least another 125 yards passing and 2 - 3 passing TD's.  That's on his "skill players" 100%.  I actually feel a bit better about Allen's performance then I did while watching the game.  However, it's dispiriting that we need to overhaul the entire RB, WR & TE positions.  Foster is probably at best a 3rd receiver (like Beebe was which is no small thing) and there is no NFL quality starting TE currently on the roster. 

[MrEpsYtown]

2 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

 

In other news, Shaq Mason RG gonna be a free agent.  I watched him a lot today, strong dude, plays low n nasty run blocker.  Doesn't look big but he seemed to have a great game.

 

Shaq signed an extension before the season. He is now one of the highest paid guards in the league now. 

 

1 hour ago, hemma said:

I watched and wondered why our Offensive Line can’t block like that. 

Not even for one series.  Just never.

 

Why is that?

 

Patriots ran a power running game similar to what we used to do under Greg Roman. A scheme like that is what I thought we were going to see when Daboll came on staff. We have not seen it. So perhaps it will take a change in the o-line coach for there to be a change there. A power running scheme would benefit all of our lineman as they are a much better fit for that as compared to what they are doing now. 

[klos63]

21 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

You really seem to take any knock on the Patriots to heart. Make me wonder where your loyalty lays.

Why would I hide my loyalty? It's not that I take it to heart per say, it's just so ***** pathetic that it's impossible for me to not react all the time.

[billsfan_34]

18 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

I credit McDermott for being smart enough to avoid the ax in Carolina.  It’s a pity Kim striped in as our football czar was Tom Coughlin had interviewed for the job.  So, we now have an inexperienced meddling owner over engaged into decisions and not wanting to give up control.  Mismanaging this team into basically giving away tickets, discounted meal vouchers, hotel room vouchers, and trying to play catch up finically; drastically performing massive layoffs in the PSE shared hospitality industry.  Check the PSE Twitter feed and they actually hired an exit sports franchise consultant.  You cannot unscrew this up; all you can do is pray I’m wrong.  

This is just an investment for him- his wife being the president is a joke! The whole Pegula thing downtown is failing miserably 

[flmike]

The Pats OL was called twice for holding. That's progress. The Hoodie has taught everyone how to push the limits of the rules in more creative ways than anyone else. Refs don't have time to make a judgment.

[SCBills]

26 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Nice review.  While I don't agree with everything you posted as usual it's always a thought provoking analysis.

 

My take on Allen is that with better WR/TE play this would have been one of those rookie QB days where you say "damn he made some dumb throws and decisions but he also made a bunch of great plays".  IMO Allen's 2 INT's are on him 100%.  But damn, he should have at least another 125 yards passing and 2 - 3 passing TD's.  That's on his "skill players" 100%.  I actually feel a bit better about Allen's performance then I did while watching the game.  However, it's dispiriting that we need to overhaul the entire RB, WR & TE positions.  Foster is probably at best a 3rd receiver (like Beebe was which is no small thing) and there is no NFL quality starting TE currently on the roster. 

 

It’s almost sickening to think about how poorly the team played around Allen today.  He wasn’t great, as you mentioned but he had to deal with no running game (again) plus:

 

-McKenzie drop to end a drive. 

 

-Foster losing a 65 yard TD in the sun. 

 

-Thomas letting a potential TD go right through his hands. 

 

-Croom fumbling at the 10 yard line. 

 

Nevermind the fact he constantly has tight windows when throwing to anyone not named Foster due to lack of separation (which BB exploited by crowding the line and playing tight, physical coverage) 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2018 by SCBills

[DallasBillsFan1]

2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

I'm honestly sick of watching the same game every time we play the Patriots.

 

If the Pats play well they win by 40. If they play poorly they win by 25 and if they play like absolute garbage(like today) they win by 10 or 15...

 

Its ridiculous, and it goes way beyond talent on the field. It goes to the mentality of this team and these players that simply dont believe they can win the game. We have already lost the game before we even play it in the 6 days leading up to it.

 

Its like no matter what the Pats do they still end up winning. They could hand the Bills 20 points off turnovers and still win the game. Today Tom Brady was absolute trash and almost cost them the game, but we couldnt stop the run and couldnt do anything offensively. Pats gave us chance after chance after chance with uncharacteristic dumb plays for them, and they looked almost disinterested in playing...and what do we do? Nothing...get down to the 5 yard line and fumble the ball...go 3 and out over and over. Hit 25 and 30 yard punts over and over to give them great field position...like what in the actual ***** is wrong with this team when they play the Pats??

 

Until these players actually believe they can win against this team nothing will change.

this

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

It’s almost sickening to think about how poorly the team played around Allen today.  He wasn’t great, as you mentioned but he had to deal with no running game (again) plus:

 

-McKenzie drop to end a drive. 

 

-Foster losing a 65 yard TD in the sun. 

 

-Thomas letting a potential TD go right through his hands. 

 

-Croom fumbling at the 10 yard line. 

 

Nevermind the fact he constantly has tight windows when throwing to anyone not named Foster due to lack of separation (which BB exploited by crowding the line and playing tight, physical coverage) 

 

 

Croom fumbled at the 5 yard.

[RaoulDuke79]

14 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Why would I hide my loyalty? It's not that I take it to heart per say, it's just so ***** pathetic that it's impossible for me to not react all the time.

Ok....I didn't realize you were a Pats fan. I understand now. 

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

This is just an investment for him- his wife being the president is a joke! The whole Pegula thing downtown is failing miserably 

 

Why don’t you buy them out so we can see it done properly? 

 

I mean, they can’t be smarter than you! 

[NobesBLO13]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Lots of Metal was played so that was good.

 

 

This, New England gets Danzig and we get train whistle 

[billsfan_34]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Why don’t you buy them out so we can see it done properly? 

 

I mean, they can’t be smarter than you! 

I would if I could- I will start off by drilling a few wells first and work my way up. I will make sure Kim is the first one canned too. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by billsfan_34

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

I would if I could- I will start off by drilling a few wells first and work my way up. I will make sure Kim is the first one canned too. 

 

Wait....they were smarter than you back then? 

 

 

I suspect the same is true now. 

[billsfan_34]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Wait....they were smarter than you back then? 

 

 

I suspect the same is true now. 

Your insults are comical- keyboard bravery- take care

[Augie]

1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said:

Your insults are comical- keyboard bravery- take care

 

I don’t see any comedy or bravery there. Just fact. So buy them out and fix this.

 

 

All the experts here.....

[klos63]

14 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Ok....I didn't realize you were a Pats fan. I understand now. 

That must be it, Einstein. I doubt you understand much at all. keep crying about the Cheatriots or Belicheat.

[billsfan_34]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t see any comedy or bravery there. Just fact. So buy them out and fix this.

 

 

All the experts here.....

Of course not, you’re not smart enough too see what you have previously said or is it the classic bait and switch? Either way im happy with my current career.

[Augie]

Just now, billsfan_34 said:

Of course not, you’re not smart enough too see what you have previously said or is it the classic bait and switch? Either way im happy with my current career.

WOW! Good for you! I’d love to be an NFL owner. I’m just a couple billion short. If I were as smart and fortunate as the Pegulas, I’d own the Bills. But I’m glad you like your job. (There’s a Sammy joke in there, but I’m good natured and really don’t mean to go that far! ?) 

[Virgil]

And here we go.  Almost made it through 3 pages.  Well done you 

[billsfan_34]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

WOW! Good for you! I’d love to be an NFL owner. I’m just a couple billion short. If I were as smart and fortunate as the Pegulas, I’d own the Bills. But I’m glad you like your job. (There’s a Sammy joke in there, but I’m good natured and really don’t mean to go that far! ?) 

Me too- Merry Christmas 

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

I was in Queens and my DVR did not record and i was pissed.... until i read this. Thank you for making me glad i have no way of watching!?

 

Yeah, it wasn't pretty. I muted the sound and pretty much lost interest around the fourth time Cordarrelle Patterson gouged us on an end-around.

 

 

[Thriftygamer83]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

 

The Bills got destroyed by a Patriots team where Tom Brady was god awful. 

He's now 0-4 vs Patriots and for the first time today his offense scored a TD against them. That's beyond pathetic. 

 

Sean has lost every ounce of faith I tried to have in him.

[nedboy7]

31 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t see any comedy or bravery there. Just fact. So buy them out and fix this.

 

 

All the experts here.....

 

We know you are the only expert here.  Now preach boy!!! 

[Inigo Montoya]

Forgive me for copying and pasting this from another thread, but it seems appropriate here as well.

 

Allen and Edmunds were drafted because of their physical traits and potential.  If Edmunds figures it out, he will be a league leading freak for years with his size and speed.  Allen is in the same situation.  Not polished coming out of college, but will be a baller if he develops with his physical attributes. 

 

Beane didn't draft Allen and Edmunds to win this year, he drafted them to win next year.  Hopefully Beane is proven right. 

 

We all knew this was going to be a bad year for the Bills.  I don't understand the despair on this message board when the Bills look bad during what is clearly a rebuilding year.  We have no O-line, our rookie draft picks are playing like rookies,  and we have no wide receivers, but dammit! we should walk into Foxborough and win right now...

 

We now have someone who has a real chance to be our franchise QB, we are out of salary cap hell, and we have a full compliment of draft picks.  Contrast that to where we were at the end of last season.  Take a breath people.

 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Inigo Montoya

[nedboy7]

Just now, Inigo Montoya said:

Forgive me for copying and pasting this from another thread, but it seems appropriate here as well.

 

Allen and Edmunds were drafted because of their physical traits and potential.  If Edmunds figures it out, he will be a league leading freak for years with his size and speed.  Allen is in the same situation.  Not polished coming out of college, but will be a baller if he develops with his physical attributes. 

 

Beane didn't draft Allen and Edmunds to win this year, he drafted them to win next year.  Hopefully Beane is proven right. 

 

We all knew this was going to be a bad year for the Bills.  I don't understand the despair on this message board when the Bills look bad during what is clearly a rebuilding year.  We have no O-line, our rookie draft picks are playing like rookies,  and we have no wide receivers, but dammit! we should walk into Foxborough and win right now...

 

We have someone who has a real chance to be our franchise QB, we are out of salary cap hell, and we have a full contingent of draft picks.  Contrast that to where we were at the end of last season.  Take a breath people.

 

I think Beane isn't drafting next year to win either.   That would be dumb. 

[Augie]

Just now, nedboy7 said:

 

We know you are the only expert here.  Now preach boy!!! 

 

You’re the only boy here, Ned.

 

I’m a middle of the road guy, so I can offend people on either end. But I’m leaning toward avoiding short-sighted idiots after a loss. 

[RocCityRoller]

I thought the Jets got jobbed by the refs multiple times.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Forgive me for copying and pasting this from another thread, but it seems appropriate here as well.

 

Allen and Edmunds were drafted because of their physical traits and potential.  If Edmunds figures it out, he will be a league leading freak for years with his size and speed.  Allen is in the same situation.  Not polished coming out of college, but will be a baller if he develops with his physical attributes. 

 

Beane didn't draft Allen and Edmunds to win this year, he drafted them to win next year.  Hopefully Beane is proven right. 

 

We all knew this was going to be a bad year for the Bills.  I don't understand the despair on this message board when the Bills look bad during what is clearly a rebuilding year.  We have no O-line, our rookie draft picks are playing like rookies,  and we have no wide receivers, but dammit! we should walk into Foxborough and win right now...

 

We now have someone who has a real chance to be our franchise QB, we are out of salary cap hell, and we have a full compliment of draft picks.  Contrast that to where we were at the end of last season.  Take a breath people.

 

 

You make some valid points.  Here are my counter points:

1) the FA acquisitions and the money that was spent this year, was spent primarily on DL and LB - Star Lotuleilei and Trent Murphy for example.   Other players we had in place last year who contributed to taking us to the playoffs and who were signed to reasonable deals elsewhere, were moved on from.    When we get gashed in the run game as badly as we got gashed today, there is reason to be concerned we did not make good choices.

2) the ST play is awful - AWFUL.  We routinely dress among the most players for ST.  The penalties, the mistakes, the poor punting - it does not look like a well-coached unit.  Beyond the punter, that isn’t an issue of talent, it’s an issue of discipline and proper coaching.

3) Same goes for the persistent awful penalties.  We do not play like a well disciplined, well coached team.