John from Riverside Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: He’s not wrong really. There’s nothing special about any of the DL on the roster. Yeah...they just go out there and do their job....but you know they dont have those flashy sack stats right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: Right, but I think he cornered Paul Peck from channel 4 in the locker room one time and said he had a small penis, or something derogatory to that effect. I know he and Pat Williams were great players, but from memory, Ted Washington was described as a real jerk. D-line ain't for choirboys. A lot of those guys are nuts. He was a helluva player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: D-line ain't for choirboys. A lot of those guys are nuts. He was a helluva player. Yes he was....Ted Washington was one of my favorite players.....a enormous person who also got after the QB but There ARE some good players on this DL....one of them is close to retirement....the others are solid but not special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: Not sure how much that means from a 1 tech who pretty much just ate space in the old NFL. Remember when they trained him, it went something like this: OK Teddy here's your technique: Try to keep them from grabbing you. Keep eating a lot so you stay at 355. Pretend if they push you out of the middle you don't get to eat for a week. Repeat. From his wikipedia page: "At Tampa Bay Technical High School in Tampa, Washington was a four-sport standout in football, track, baseball, and wrestling. As a senior, he was the Florida State Wrestling champion in the unlimited weight class." "The unlimited weight class" -- I love it! I certainly wouldn't have wanted to wrestle that guy. Edited December 18, 2018 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: From his wikipedia page: "At Tampa Bay Technical High School in Tampa, Washington was a four-sport standout in football, track, baseball, and wrestling. As a senior, he was the Florida State Wrestling champion in the unlimited weight class." "The unlimited weight class" -- I love it! I certainly wouldn't have wanted to wrestle that guy. You know McD would have loved him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Anyone who had the opportunity to watch Ted and Pat shut down the run "The Package" should not just dismiss his assessment out of hand. They simply planted any running back that tried the middle and forced every run to the outside for our backers to clean up. At one point when the Bills were playing a Favre-led GB team, Favre said in a half-time interview that anyone thinking they can run against these guys are fooling themselves... that was after the Bills had GB backed up in their own end zone and they elected to try a safe running play to get some room and their running back was thumped 3 yards deep into the end zone turf (I think by Pat Williams) - it was literally like "nail meet hammer", I was worried the kid was broken in several places along his body. Sure the Bills have picked up some guys that can swim and penetrate on passing plays and that is good, but they went out and picked up Star for one reason, so he could occupy 2 gaps and an extra linemen to "free up" the others on the d-line to make the stop. Anyone watching the Bills this season in the red zone know that more often than not, when teams want those last few yards to score, they simply run it down our throats and get those yards. The stops have been rare. There have been flashes of this team stopping the run, and some of it is a leaning curve for our linebackers (I love the way Milano plays, but Lorax gets it done when it comes to filling a hole and stopping the run - that is just his years on earth and a bit of a bigger frame), Milano is ahead of Edmunds as it goes to finding the right gap to fill, but can get blown up if any blockers get to his level and gets a hand on him. If they miss, the kid is usually "money" bringing someone down. Some I think is just a lack of push by Star, but I have seen flashes from Jordan Phillips... he reminds me a bit of Pat Williams in his build and Jerry Hughes in his attitude. He plays with a lot of passion and the coaches just have to figure out how to reign in the "stup" and keep the rest. With all the shuffling of parts along the d-line (up and down from the practice squad this year if you look through transactions) I feel like the coaches know they are not there, but Phillips could play a role. Ol' Ted knows a thing or two about leverage and stopping the run, sure some of it could be "back in my day....", but we all know and so do the Bills coaching staff that there needs to be some improvements. Ted does not have to be worried that they are "satisfied" with what they have as it has been clear with the Star signing and grabbing Phillips that they are not. Edited December 18, 2018 by WideNine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You know McD would have loved him Well he can hire him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I would not be upset if the Bills took Josh Allen or Clelin Ferrel with their 1st or Oshane Ximines or Jaylon Ferguson with their 2nd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Harsh. But if anybody could say it it's Ted Washington. And he's not wrong about the DL. I'd have to assume he's talking about Meatball in the context of this season and not dismissing his whole body of work. No, Kyle has always been solid. What the heck is wrong with "solid?" That is a compliment where I come from... SOLID Edited December 18, 2018 by Paulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Paulus said: No, Kyle has always been solid. What the heck is wrong with "solid?" That is a compliment where I come from... SOLID "Solid" has gotten Kyle into the Pro Bowl a few times, so I guess it's not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Here is the audio: https://app.radio.com/4DvcBgSUKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, PIZ said: One stud would turn those "good" players into "great" players, in my opinion. Do you think they need an elite DE or DT to improve the most? Where would Josh Allen - KY LB (14 sacks) play on this defense? Josh Allen is EXACTLY what the defense is missing. Not sure he's gonna be available now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, jabu said: "Solid" has gotten Kyle into the Pro Bowl a few times, so I guess it's not too bad. For those looking to make any critique a Kyle dig, it is simply apples to oranges. Kyle, from the day he was drafted, was the high-motor penetrating linemen you need to rush the passer. He is not, nor has he ever been considered your prototype "run stopper". Kyle's techniques are to shed blockers and get up field, it is those and his tenacity to never give up on those plays that have led him to well-deserved pro-bowls. That being said Kyle style of play was never intended to occupy two gaps, maintain leverage and push, to stop the run. Not saying he sucked at it, just that it is not how to best use what he brings to the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsSB2020 said: Josh Allen is EXACTLY what the defense is missing. Not sure he's gonna be available now. Right on. Once you get your QB, IMO the next most important thing is QB killer. Now if we combine free agency and the draft to build the line and add a couple weapons at the expense of missing out on that guy for a year, I can wait til 2020 then we could maybe trade up for that true difference maker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) So far the Bills got the following signed for next year: 1. DE - Hughes - Last year of his contract 2. DE - Lawson - Last year of contract (has a 5th year option for 10 million which won't happen) 3. DT - Star - His snap count if not huge. 1st and 2nd downer 4. DE - Murphy - A big yellow light on his future/availability 5. DT - H Phillips - Got to question whether he is a primary starter next year FAs DTs - Kyle and J Phillips DEs - Yarbrough and Love It seems to me that a good amount of attention needs to be give the DL. Ted Washington was a beast! Edited December 18, 2018 by ColoradoBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Ted Washington is one of the most dominant defensive players the Bills have ever had. His 1997 season he was arguably the best defender in the NFL. Once he got paid he just reverted to being the best NT in the NFL for the next 5-6 years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I just did a search of Washington and saw that he played 7 seasons AFTER being with the Bills. Not sure why I was so surprised by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 He ain't the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: He ain't the only one. Yeah, Pat Williams had a pro-bowl afterlife with the Vikings after the Bills let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Ted Washington for Dline coach? Well, how's his high school line doing? Is their technique any good? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, jeremy2020 said: Well, how's his high school line doing? Is their technique any good? These are the real questions we need to be asking jeremy2099. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: Well, how's his high school line doing? Is their technique any good? I didn’t catch which HS he is at, but i tuned in mid-interview. If anyone knows I will look and see if there are any big recruits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I love it when people say ‘nothing against anyone’ right before trash them! It’s the same as when politicians ‘take full responsibility’ and then proceed to do absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, WideNine said: Yeah, Pat Williams had a pro-bowl afterlife with the Vikings after the Bills let him walk. Wow. Didnt know thst till today breh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think the Bills need to invest in a high end pass rusher at the top of the draft or in FA - they lack elite-ness on that line . They have a bunch of “good” players but no real difference maker this is an argument in more than one thread. if an elite edge is there in rd. one, ya gotta take him. (josh allen being the most likely). if you get a guy that can give you a couple drive ending sacks a game, it's every bit as good as a deep pass. btw, every team with a rookie qb...and then some, are looking for offensive talent this year. wrs are going to get overdrafted this year. people forget the amount of competition there will be for those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, ganesh said: +1. While they have done a decent job in the Run game, their pass completions have been average and the Red Zone defense has been atrocious. what's atrocious is rushing 4 on 3rd down in the red zone....it's maddening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said: what's atrocious is rushing 4 on 3rd down in the red zone....it's maddening. Sometimes it is hard to help - many teams run an empty set, or just one back to force teams to go man and some zone. Detroit flat-out lined up in Jumbo and used an o-lineman as a blocking fullback and spanked us like naughty kids whenever they were in short yardage. The Bills really did not have an answer to that set, where you really cannot do anything unless someone penetrates enough to trip up and take out that lead blocker - then the whole play is disrupted. Hopefully your defenders can still seal the edges because many times that is when the running back bounces it outside and walks into the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I just heard him interviewed on WGR. He’s a HS DL coach and was talking about how important it is for linemen to have proper technique, hand usage, etc. Ted was at the game on Sunday and John Murphy asked him what he thought of the Bills DL ...he said nothing against the players or coaches but he didn’t think they used good technique. He sounded very unimpressed but said something along the lines of “as long as the coaches think that’s acceptable I guess that’s what passes.” Murphy told him Kyle Williams had played there many years and he said he never really met him, maybe once. Murphy asked him what he thought of Kyle and he said something like meh he’s “solid.” Sheesh ... bill teerlink feels great right now. Edit: added link to the interview https://app.radio.com/4DvcBgSUKS I think he’s talking about their lackluster effort in the buffet line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, jabu said: "Solid" has gotten Kyle into the Pro Bowl a few times, so I guess it's not too bad. Solid means no weaknesses. It is a compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Enjoyed watching Washington play. Especially when he would chase down RB's on screens and sweeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Ted Washington for Dline coach? I'm surprised it took so long for this comment!!! While you're at it bring in John Davis to coach the offensive line too Edited December 18, 2018 by the skycap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I love it when people say ‘nothing against anyone’ right before trash them! It’s the same as when politicians ‘take full responsibility’ and then proceed to do absolutely nothing. Sometimes they take full responsibility and then go on to blame others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, gjv001 said: Enjoyed watching Washington play. Especially when he would chase down RB's on screens and sweeps. good to hear from him, hope he's doing okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, WideNine said: Sometimes it is hard to help - many teams run an empty set, or just one back to force teams to go man and some zone. Detroit flat-out lined up in Jumbo and used an o-lineman as a blocking fullback and spanked us like naughty kids whenever they were in short yardage. The Bills really did not have an answer to that set, where you really cannot do anything unless someone penetrates enough to trip up and take out that lead blocker - then the whole play is disrupted. Hopefully your defenders can still seal the edges because many times that is when the running back bounces it outside and walks into the end zone. there was a point i believe late in the game where the defense go two big stops and then on 3rd down there was a sparse line. i think detroit threw for a td there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I didn’t catch which HS he is at, but i tuned in mid-interview. If anyone knows I will look and see if there are any big recruits Indian Land High School in South Carolina. They went 6-8 giving up an average of 27 a game. Not sure how much of that is on Mt. Washington. Not seeing any top recruits on 24/7. Edited December 18, 2018 by BillsSB2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: He’s not wrong really. There’s nothing special about any of the DL on the roster. ...OR...is there some credence as to whether Frazier is the right guy as DC?......not to mention McDermott as his "assistant"....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Crazy to think our dline at one point consisted of Bruce Smith, Ted Washington, Pat Williams and Phil Hansen. I miss those Ted Cotrell days and having the number 1 defense in the league in 98 and 99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 He's not wrong. The Bills D-Line is full of good/solid players, but nobody I would consider overly impressive. Especially with Kyle Williams well past his prime. That doesn't mean the Bills have a bad D-Line, or that it's a problem area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Ted Washington is still the largest human being I've ever seen up close. He made Pat Williams look small. One of my best memories from interning at the 2000 training camp. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: there was a point i believe late in the game where the defense go two big stops and then on 3rd down there was a sparse line. i think detroit threw for a td there. I remember that toss, looked like the Bills were in some kind of zone deep in the end zone a the receiver was being passed from gap to gap. Not a fan if that was the case. Will have to watch that play again to be sure. It could be that Wallace was on him and just lost a step - teams also like to cross up receivers to do a "rub" or "pick" to free up a receiver - the Patriots excel at that. I can see dropping guys into shallow zones that are as deep as the goal line and get in the way of passing lanes and work to prevent dump off, scrambles, and outlet passes from getting anywhere, but any deeper you need to have man coverage with maybe a safety or two playing center field watching the QBs eyes. I felt like Detroit's receiver had far to much room to find soft spots that Stafford could easily hit. And yeah, Stafford had too much time too, but he is a good QB when given some time and not playing beat up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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