DCOrange Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Spotrac published a list of players that they think could potentially be cut in the offseason and provided some notes about whether or not they really think it's realistic that they could be cut, cap ramifications, etc. It's sorted by position so it's pretty easy to scroll down to the guys you want to read about. https://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/potential-2019-nfl-roster-bubbles-819/ Of note, the WRs discussed: Allen Robinson Mohamed Sanu Demaryius Thomas DeSean Jackson Kenny Stills Devante Parker Michael Crabtree Marvin Jones Pierre Garcon Cameron Meredith Travis Benjamin Allen Hurns Willie Snead Bills players discussed: LeSean McCoy Chris Ivory Charles Clay Star Lotulelei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What the? The Bills can’t Clay! He’s not done standing around doing nothing yet! 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 no way Star gets cut. He's been decent at opening holes for the LB's and clogging space. He's only cut if we get a DT in the 1st, and even then I don't see the need to cut a position of strength. Clay is gone. Esp. if we upgrade in FA with Jessie James, Eifert, or Cook. 6 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Spotrac published a list of players that they think could potentially be cut in the offseason and provided some notes about whether or not they really think it's realistic that they could be cut, cap ramifications, etc. It's sorted by position so it's pretty easy to scroll down to the guys you want to read about. https://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/potential-2019-nfl-roster-bubbles-819/ Of note, the WRs discussed: Allen Robinson Mohamed Sanu Demaryius Thomas DeSean Jackson Kenny Stills Devante Parker Michael Crabtree Marvin Jones Pierre Garcon Cameron Meredith Travis Benjamin Allen Hurns Willie Snead Bills players discussed: LeSean McCoy Chris Ivory Charles Clay Star Lotulelei some great WR names in that list. I'd like a lot of them, esp. Marvin Jones. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 ...how or when did Star make the list?.....thought he was quietly going about his business..... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 T.Murphy is more likely to be cut than Star imo 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) I don’t think any of this Bills players listed are going to be cut with the possible exception of Clay. The RBs, with Murphy, make up the best overall position group on the offense and there is no replacement for Lotulelei on the roster. Plus he’s been playing fine. if I had to guess impossible early on cuts, before FA or the draft, I’d be looking at Clay, Groy, Ducasse, Anderson and Barkley. Edited December 13, 2018 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Mills gets a pass? Hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...how or when did Star make the list?.....thought he was quietly going about his business..... Yeah, I mean, I personally think Star was a waste of a contract and I would love to hit the undo button on it, but I don't at all foresee Buffalo cutting him after one year and I don't think it really makes sense financially to do so either. They mention in the article that they think he might have been the worst FA signing of the offseason though. It seems like they think the Bills would simply improve by not having him on the team. 5 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Mills gets a pass? Hope not. Mills is a free agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...how or when did Star make the list?.....thought he was quietly going about his business..... ^^^^^This. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: no way Star gets cut. He's been decent at opening holes for the LB's and clogging space. He's only cut if we get a DT in the 1st, and even then I don't see the need to cut a position of strength. Clay is gone. Esp. if we upgrade in FA with Jessie James, Eifert, or Cook. some great WR names in that list. I'd like a lot of them, esp. Marvin Jones. Sanu is ok by me! 10 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: ^^^^^This. Double ^^^this^^^ 26 minutes ago, vincec said: I don’t think any of this Bills players listed are going to be cut with the possible exception of Clay. The RBs, with Murphy, make up the best overall position group on the offense and there is no replacement for Lotulelei on the roster. Plus he’s been playing fine. if I had to guess impossible early on cuts, before FA or the draft, I’d be looking at Clay, Groy, Ducasse, Anderson and Barkley. Groy will not be a Bill next year- he is beyond awful 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...how or when did Star make the list?.....thought he was quietly going about his business..... He doesn't generate stats. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, TigerJ said: He doesn't generate stats. ...exactly......which I said, "quietly going about his business". which many here have said he is doing........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 There are some WR's I would take on that list Sanu Snead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 49 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Spotrac published a list of players that they think could potentially be cut in the offseason and provided some notes about whether or not they really think it's realistic that they could be cut, cap ramifications, etc. It's sorted by position so it's pretty easy to scroll down to the guys you want to read about. https://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/potential-2019-nfl-roster-bubbles-819/ Of note, the WRs discussed: Allen Robinson Mohamed Sanu Demaryius Thomas DeSean Jackson Kenny Stills Devante Parker Michael Crabtree Marvin Jones Pierre Garcon Cameron Meredith Travis Benjamin Allen Hurns Willie Snead Bills players discussed: LeSean McCoy Chris Ivory Charles Clay Star Lotulelei Interesting list, I can certainly see some guys getting cut and also some guys of interest for us. A couple stand out though, for instance Allen Robinson. I seriously doubt he gets cut. Bears are set on D, have good backs, and Trubisky has taken a step forward as a passer. And Allen is coming off a major injury last year, so I think he certainly sticks around next year as that team continues to get stronger. I mean they are already a SB threat. Star - Just cant see him being cut, we dont need the cap room and he does more than the stat sheet suggests. Only way for me to see us cutting him would be if we made a hefty offseason investment into the DT position by FA, draft, or even both. Couple of guy standout for me on that WR list to target if they all came available: D Jax - Speed to really open up the field, and he showed with Fitz he can be quite productive with a QB not afraid to chuck it down field. DeVante Parker - This guy needs a fresh start. Due to injuries, he has gotten to flash some of that potential here later in the season. Injury history is a concern, but he would likely be inexpensive and a low risk, high reward type play. Allen, Marvin, etc would also be interesting. But I dont think either get cut. Liions pass attack is terrible without both Tate and Jones in there. I think they will want Marvin back as their #2 next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 ...this gang had better apply the same personnel changes/cuts scrutiny to the coaching staff as well.....no "free lunches" for them.......why draft young talent and some some quality FA's only to be coached/taught by Moe, Larry, Curly and/or Shemp?.....doesn't cut it for me............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarg12 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I don't see Star getting cut after one season, even if they get another DT in the draft he may just become some added depth since McDermott likes to rotate the DL. Charles Clay should definitely be gone though, I have never been a big fan of his contract and production on the field. Wouldn't mind seeing the Bills sign Sanu, always kind of reminded me of Robert Woods with just being a solid #2 option. But I wouldn't overpay for him if Foster ends the season on a high note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Sign me up for D-Jax even given the age, along with Snead, and Sanu.. Id be happy with any of those 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Mills gets a pass? Hope not. He is young so I can see them hanging onto him for another year before they give up, but he certainly could go if they can find someone better. 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...this gang had better apply the same personnel changes/cuts scrutiny to the coaching staff as well.....no "free lunches" for them.......why draft young talent and some some quality FA's only to be coached/taught by Moe, Larry, Curly and/or Shemp?.....doesn't cut it for me............. Who besides Crossman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, vincec said: He is young so I can see them hanging onto him for another year before they give up, but he certainly could go if they can find someone better. Who besides Crossman? ...not really convinced about Castillo, Robiskie, Culley or even Frazier for that matter.....plenty of discussion about them here with very few positives.....Robiskie (37 yrs), Culley (25 yrs) and Frazier (20 yrs) have been in the coaching ranks for a long time....sure there are those that lean heavily in favor of that coaching experience.....just can't buy that these guys are victims to 100% personnel failures as in a gang of 53 pocketing $150+ mil.......perhaps some of their perceived "tried and true" teachings and techniques have not kept up with the evolution of the current game......we're going "younger" personnel wise so why not some fresh young minds in the coaching ranks?....just a thought....look how McBeane dumped most if not all of the OBD "scouting staff lifers", some with 30 yrs experience........ Edited December 13, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm not a Kenny Stills fan, but boy is he a great fit for Josh Allen's strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: T.Murphy is more likely to be cut than Star imo Trent will be cut. 54 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Groy will not be a Bill next year- he is beyond awful Groy is a FA. He will not be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Trent will be cut. ...would you say GB that his contract was designed for a cap friendly "easy out"?.......coming off an ACL AND PED suspension leads me to believe McBeane saw him as a one year stop gap measure unless he proved otherwise......and I don't think he has come close consistently............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'd still take Demaryious Thomas. He came into the league a raw route runner. He is now a professor of route running. I think he could contribute in the passing game as the redzone type KB was supposed to be and as a 3rd down chain mover but he would also be a fantastic teacher for our young guys - the Foster and McKenzie's of this world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Clay, Shady, and Kyle will not be back in 2019! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...would you say GB that his contract was designed for a cap friendly "easy out"?.......coming off an ACL AND PED suspension leads me to believe McBeane saw him as a one year stop gap measure unless he proved otherwise......and I don't think he has come close consistently............ Yep. It was designed with a one year out. It wasn't a bad punt to take, but he has been hobbling around like a wounded zebra all year. It hasn't worked out. He has been significantly outplayed by Shaq Lawson. You don't spend $5m on someone who hasn't contributed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...how or when did Star make the list?.....thought he was quietly going about his business..... Because people who do not watch games make lists off of box scores........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Star hasn't been great. He is overpaid. But he has been a solid addition. I'd be stunned if he was cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...not really convinced about Castillo, Robiskie, Culley or even Frazier for that matter.....plenty of discussion about them here with very few positives.....Robiskie (37 yrs), Culley (25 yrs) and Frazier (20 yrs) have been in the coaching ranks for a long time....sure there are those that lean heavily in favor of that coaching experience.....just can't buy that these guys are victims to 100% personnel failures as in a gang of 53 pocketing $150+ mil.......perhaps some of their perceived "tried and true" teachings and techniques have not kept up with the evolution of the current game......we're going "younger" personnel wise so why not some fresh young minds in the coaching ranks?....just a thought....look how McBeane dumped most if not all of the OBD "scouting staff lifers", some with 30 yrs experience........ I do not agree on Robiskie at all. The fact is that the Bills young receivers, particularly Jones and Foster, have shown great improvement. You have to give him some credit there. It is certainly not his fault that Benjamin underperformed. That is entirely on Benjamin. I would like like an upgrade at QB coach, Special Teams, and OL coaching. OL is the number one priority, then ST. I can live with Frazier for now. For players, they should move on from McCoy - he is a team player but he looks done. Clay is a goner. Ivory has been productive but I think he was stop gap. Start and Trent are not going anywhere. Edited December 13, 2018 by FLFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, vincec said: I don’t think any of this Bills players listed are going to be cut with the possible exception of Clay. The RBs, with Murphy, make up the best overall position group on the offense and there is no replacement for Lotulelei on the roster. Plus he’s been playing fine. if I had to guess impossible early on cuts, before FA or the draft, I’d be looking at Clay, Groy, Ducasse, Anderson and Barkley. I don't know about cutting Barkley, we need a backup QB. I'd extend him. The others you mentioned can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Has Star been playing? Didn't notice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. It was designed with a one year out. It wasn't a bad punt to take, but he has been hobbling around like a wounded zebra all year. It hasn't worked out. He has been significantly outplayed by Shaq Lawson. You don't spend $5m on someone who hasn't contributed ...certainly agree....with cap clearing/expected limitations as well as having to put the "garbage at the curb", McBeane had holes to fill....good call friend..... 9 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Because people who do not watch games make lists off of box scores........... ..."best and the brightest" then I presume??..........OR...they THINK so............ 7 minutes ago, FLFan said: I do not agree on Robiskie at all. The fact is that the Bills young receivers, particularly Jones and Foster, have shown great improvement. You have to give him some credit there. It is certainly not his fault that Benjamin underperformed. That is entirely on Benjamin. I would like like an upgrade at QB coach, Special Teams, and OL coaching. OL is the number one priority, then ST. I can live with Frazier for now. For players, they should move on from McCoy - he is a team player but he looks done. Clay is a goner. Ivory has been productive but I think he was stop gap. Start and Trent are not going anywhere. ...leave Benjabum out of the equation for a moment.....there were many posts citing our receivers' inability to run routes correctly.......fakes news?......an indictment of Robiskie coaching?....typical "overblown" TBD yips?.......what do you think?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...leave Benjabum out of the equation for a moment.....there were many posts citing our receivers' inability to run routes correctly.......fakes news?......an indictment of Robiskie coaching?....typical "overblown" TBD yips?.......what do you think?..... I'all take typical overblown TBD yips for $1,000 Alex ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Hahaha no chance star gets cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, FLFan said: I'all take typical overblown TBD yips for $1,000 Alex ... ...I quit...no way in hell I can top that.......woefully defeated............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Interesting list, I can certainly see some guys getting cut and also some guys of interest for us. A couple stand out though, for instance Allen Robinson. I seriously doubt he gets cut. Bears are set on D, have good backs, and Trubisky has taken a step forward as a passer. And Allen is coming off a major injury last year, so I think he certainly sticks around next year as that team continues to get stronger. I mean they are already a SB threat. Star - Just cant see him being cut, we dont need the cap room and he does more than the stat sheet suggests. Only way for me to see us cutting him would be if we made a hefty offseason investment into the DT position by FA, draft, or even both. Couple of guy standout for me on that WR list to target if they all came available: D Jax - Speed to really open up the field, and he showed with Fitz he can be quite productive with a QB not afraid to chuck it down field. DeVante Parker - This guy needs a fresh start. Due to injuries, he has gotten to flash some of that potential here later in the season. Injury history is a concern, but he would likely be inexpensive and a low risk, high reward type play. Allen, Marvin, etc would also be interesting. But I dont think either get cut. Liions pass attack is terrible without both Tate and Jones in there. I think they will want Marvin back as their #2 next year. Yeah, I can't see Robinson or Star being cut personally. I fully expect DeSean Jackson to be. He's just too expensive for what his role is in Tampa at this point. Evans and Godwin are a great 1-2 combo and Tampa can free up $10 million by cutting DeSean. The ones that I'm personally interested in are: Robinson (but like I said, I highly doubt he gets cut) Kenny Stills Marvin Jones Demaryius Thomas And not super interested, but I could see Buffalo bringing in a veteran presence like Pierre Garcon if he's cut. I'd be fine with taking a shot on Devante Parker too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 No player needs to leave town more than John Miller. With only 3 games left til his contract is up, I guess he won't be a cut, but PLEASE do not extend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Clay Murphy Lorax Ducasse Miller D'Marco These will be the first to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) Starr will see all five years of his deal. is he a hall of fame? Of course not. He may not ever even be a pro bowler, but he is a reasonable space eater and there just isn’t any reason to get rid of him. Edited December 13, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Trent will be cut. Groy is a FA. He will not be back. Well that makes it easier now, doesnt it? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, FLFan said: I do not agree on Robiskie at all. The fact is that the Bills young receivers, particularly Jones and Foster, have shown great improvement. You have to give him some credit there. It is certainly not his fault that Benjamin underperformed. That is entirely on Benjamin. I would like like an upgrade at QB coach, Special Teams, and OL coaching. OL is the number one priority, then ST. I can live with Frazier for now. For players, they should move on from McCoy - he is a team player but he looks done. Clay is a goner. Ivory has been productive but I think he was stop gap. Start and Trent are not going anywhere. The 4 C's have to go. Crossman, Castillo, Culley & Clay. We're probably seeing Shady's last 3 games. Ivory will probably be gone. Not sure if Dimarco should survive? Like to see Lorenzo and Kyle go 1 last year....it will be a crucial off season. Edited December 14, 2018 by LABILLBACKER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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