Henry Anderson on Pat McAfee show defends his dirty hit on Haushka

[34-78-83]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Looking at it from the other side, maybe it was the Jets who were retaliating against Dawkins' really dirty play on the first play of the game?

No because they already took care of that with hitting Micah Hyde 5 yards out of bounds on his punt return.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I could be totally off the wall, but our OL blocking scheme has relied extensively on cut blocks and timing this year (which they can't execute worth crap, leading to our guys sprawling around on the ground while defenders hurdle them unabated to the ball carrier, but that's another story)

 

Given that background, I personally think Dawkins was attempting what should have been a timed cut block after Miller moved on, except Miller didn't successfully move on in time, thus what should have been a legal cut became an illegal chop.

 

 

I'm 100% with you. I'm a high school o,line coach. I have sat in clinics with pro and colleges coaches and this is exactly the technique that is taught on zone plays. It isn't an illegal play if the guard stops blocking the guy. The guard screwed up there. People who continue to call the Dawkins play dirty need to study up on zone blocking schemes. Like you said, it is all about timing. 

 

Anderson's hit on the kicker is dirty as is guys smashing Josh Allen. If the refs let you get away with it, so be it. 

[Livinginthepast]

4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Clearly you missed the brawl a few weeks ago that completely changed the game

The brawl was first time I have seen a Bills player (Lawson) stand up and show some fire for his team in a very long time. If you really care, check out my posts on Lawson about it right after the Jags game.  I mentioned that it was like a hockey brawl back in the 80s.  You clearly missed my point  which is that all too often the Bills have no reaction to dirty hits by their opponents. What Lawson did was notable because it was so rare.  Its exactly that kind of fire and support that the Bills should be showing regularly throughout the season!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 minutes ago, Bring it said:

Yeah, it takes a real man to take out the kicker. Even if it was retaliation for Dawkins. 

 

Yep, but Odd target for retaliation.  I’m sure Dawkins and Anderson were on the field together at some point. 

 

Maybe he’s just mad at the world because that laryngeal fracture last year ruined his social life? ?‍♂️

Edited December 11, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Yep, but Odd target for retaliation.  I’m sure Dawkins and Anderson were on the field together at some point. 

 

Maybe he’s just mad at the world because that laryngeal fracture last year ruined his social life? ?‍♂️

And because Cordarrelle Patterson grabbed his junk last week 

Edited December 11, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[BringBackOrton]

39 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Look if a punter decides to run the football it’s a different story.

 

He was carrying the football.

 

Hit was clean even by today’s rules shoulder into chest.

 

I think this one was a bunch worse. 

 

 

 

It was an exhibition All Star match. I disagree.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

It was an exhibition All Star match. I disagree.

 

I see your point, but still if you watch the clip, his lack of field vision was his undoing.

 

Should have seen him closing 15 yards away. 

 

He was upright trying to juke for a first down. 

[BringBackOrton]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I see your point, but still if you watch the clip, his lack of field vision was his undoing.

 

Should have seen him closing 15 yards away. 

 

He was upright trying to juke for a first down. 

It was an All Star game.

 

If Peyton Manning tried running for a first down in the Pro Bowl and got hit like that, there would be a Senate Committee.

[Bing Bong]

31 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

No because they already took care of that with hitting Micah Hyde 5 yards out of bounds on his punt return.

The game was all around chippy and pretty crappy to watch out of teams playing a meaningless game for me.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Blowing up someone half your size from behind who’s not looking isn’t gritty or tough. Its bush league stuff. it was a cheap shot.  

 

Total kitty move... 

 

2 hours ago, Greatdane21 said:

Once the league reviews the tape on this Anderson’s wallet will be considerably lighter!

 

I hope so.  And a suspension.   As another poster mentioned, you can't have teams taking out other teams kickers.  Can be a game-dependent move.  Need to protect the kicker from blindside hits. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

It was an All Star game.

 

If Peyton Manning tried running for a first down in the Pro Bowl and got hit like that, there would be a Senate Committee.

 

There has to be some accountability for a guy that has no business running a ball against an all pro defense. They are still competitors and they still were trying to sneak a cheap first down...

 

Curious Where do you stand on Nate Clements vs Brady? 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

 

I hope so.  And a suspension.   As another poster mentioned, you can't have teams taking out other teams kickers.  Can be a game-dependent move.  Need to protect the kicker from blindside hits. 

This also had a direct outcome on the game......cant tell me House was not hurting after that hit and missed the fg.....or that it didnt affect his kick offs

 

He gutted through it.....but he was hurt

[Ronin]

Dude should get fined for that if the NFL is serious about injuries and their lipservice!  

 

Alternate Headline:  

 

Journeyman backup DT weighing over 300 lbs. cheap-shots 200-lb. 33 year-old K after play is effectively over to prove what a tough-guy he is and to bolster his "highlight" reel.  

 

Apparently he's out to prove something after flopping as a day-2 pick several years ago.  

 

Sounds like a prime candidate for beating his wife and dog too.  A real piece of work.  

[Helpmenow]

The bills should have come to the placekicker defense. Somebody on the bills should have shown some toughness and go after that idiot from the jets.

[uticaclub]

9 minutes ago, Helpmenow said:

The bills should have come to the placekicker defense. Somebody on the bills should have shown some toughness and go after that idiot from the jets.

Our players need to learn the flag isn't coming, we get hit with so many ticky-tack or fathom calls that we might as well start fighting the other team and taking cheap shots. ***** them, we're not above that. It worked against Jax, what was the convo that got caught on the mic:

 

Ref to McDermott: "You need to control your players"

McDermott to Ref: "You need to call it both ways"

 

Ref walked away with his tail in between his legs and we started getting some calls. It's not the refs fault, they are just doing what their bosses tell them to do & the league doesn't respect us because our fan base will always support the team, so we will never get the benefit of a call going our way. 

 

 

[fan_in_tx]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Haushka’s wife not happy 

 

Hauschka is going to win many games for the Bills next season.  It's too bad our team could not win one for him.   Or at least stick up for him after that shot he took.

[CardinalScotts]

he likely thought he could make video history like Taylor with the Redskins lighting up Moorman. Classless thug move he'll get his

[Shortchaz]

I get why people think this is “dirty”, I just don’t have a huge problem with it.  If he gave him a concussion by hitting him in the ear hole with his helmet I’d say dirty. This seems more like a fun little shot, nbd. It’s football, you are looking for contact, having an angle is advantageous. 

 

As far as the “injury” goes, being cold and getting knocked over had more to do with it than the play being particularly dirty did.

Edited December 11, 2018 by Shortchaz

[Tenhigh]

9 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

I get why people think this is “dirty”, I just don’t have a huge problem with it.  If he gave him a concussion by hitting him in the ear hole with his helmet I’d say dirty. This seems more like a fun little shot, nbd. It’s football, you are looking for contact, having an angle is advantageous. 

  

As far as the “injury” goes, being cold and getting knocked over had more to do with it than the play being particularly dirty did.

Lol, ok Shorty.  Lets see what happens if you get smoked from behind by a guy 100lbs heavier than you. 

[Shortchaz]

9 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Lol, ok Shorty.  Lets see what happens if you get smoked from behind by a guy 100lbs heavier than you. 

Lol, “smoked” ?. 

 

I’d argue that, using simple physics, a person moving in one direction getting hit on the side is likely to fall over. That doesn’t mean the hit was especially vicious, or that the guy was “smoked” 

[Doc]

Shortchaz, DC Tom will be by shortly to tell you what you are.

[BringBackOrton]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

There has to be some accountability for a guy that has no business running a ball against an all pro defense. They are still competitors and they still were trying to sneak a cheap first down...

 

Curious Where do you stand on Nate Clements vs Brady? 

That was fine. Because it wasn’t an All-Star game.

[LABILLBACKER]

It's all Castillo's fault. If he had taught Deon better blocking techniques than Dawkins wouldn't have cut 48. Then Haushka wouldn't have been blindsided.  Maybe he makes both fgs and we win 29-27?

Butterfly effect

[Alphadawg7]

For all you people upset, you guys do realize the dirtiest play of the day was committed by a Buffalo Bill right?  Dion Dawkins chop block on Jenkins was terrible and could have ended his season or career.  Chop Blocks are nasty plays and major taboo because they have a high risk of serious injury.  A kicker getting hit during return is not nearly as bad as an OL throwing a chop block at a defenders knees.  

 

I think the hit on Haushka was borderline legal/illegal, I mean he hit him more on the shoulder than the back.  I would agree it was certainly a cheap shot, but no where near the severity of an illegal chop block IMO.  

[ILBillsfan]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

I get why people think this is “dirty”, I just don’t have a huge problem with it.  If he gave him a concussion by hitting him in the ear hole with his helmet I’d say dirty. This seems more like a fun little shot, nbd. It’s football, you are looking for contact, having an angle is advantageous. 

 

As far as the “injury” goes, being cold and getting knocked over had more to do with it than the play being particularly dirty did.

There is a flag for that play illegal block in the back(blocked kick was trying to be returned).  So yeah it's illegal and called like so players do not get hurt so I would say the players coaches should be pissed.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

This also had a direct outcome on the game......cant tell me House was not hurting after that hit and missed the fg.....or that it didnt affect his kick offs

 

He gutted through it.....but he was hurt

Kickers are eligible to be hit on the field as much as any player.  Guys get hit like Haushka did every single game.  Cant call a flag just because its a kicker, gotta keep your head on a swivel out there.  I agree it was a cheap shot, but still no where near the severity of the chop block by Dion.

Edited December 11, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Tenhigh]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Kickers are eligible to be hit on the field as much as any player.  Guys get hit like Haushka did every single game.  Cant call a flag just because its a kicker, gotta keep your head on a swivel out there.  I agree it was a cheap shot, but still no where near the severity of the chop block by Dion.

That's one heck of a swivel, lol.  Maybe he needs lessons from the master...

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Tenhigh said:

Lol, ok Shorty.  Lets see what happens if you get smoked from behind by a guy 100lbs heavier than you. 

 

So what are you saying?  There are different rules on the field based on the weight of the player?  LOL...So are defensive lineman not allowed to lay big hits on Darren Sproles?  I mean this is football, kickers are all on the same field and are all subject to getting hit like any other player.  Thats why they try and avoid it, but that doesnt mean you cant hit them.  Its not like they have a red practice jersey on out there.

 

I agree it was a bit of a cheap shot, as are most hits on a kicker.  But its football, they can tackle as much as get hit.  If they dont want to get hit, they should play soccer.  I didnt like the hit on our kicker either, but at the same time he didnt do anything extreme like lead with the helmet, hit him in the back, etc.  He gave a good shot to his shoulder that was clean in terms of how he made the contact (no helmet to helmet, didn't lead with helmet, etc).  

 

And in terms of his wife upset some people laughing during the broadcast, there were Bills fans that were laughing and mocking Jenkins as he walked to the locker room after he got chop blocked.

 

1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:

That's one heck of a swivel, lol.  Maybe he needs lessons from the master...

 

 

 

 

Its football.  You are going to take a big hit.  You cant avoid all contact in football lmao.  

Edited December 11, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Augie]

4 hours ago, zow2 said:

I'm over it.  It's a man's game and people get hit hard.  It was completely unnecessary, but it happened and luckily Haush doesn't appear to be seriously injured.  If the guy hit me like that I'd probably have a cracked vertebrae.

 I'm more pissed about the little extra business they seemed to give Allen while he was still in the pocket,,,  

 

I’m not over the cheap shot on Hauschka, but I AM pissed about the beating Allen takes, with and without flags. He’s got a bullseye on him, and only about HALF get called. Can you imagine if Brady got hit like that? Really....just try to imagine that. Not so much the running stuff (obviously), but late in the pocket. Huge fines, maybe even muster up a DQ. Allen, “he’s a big boy, that’s no flag”. 

[Tenhigh]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So what are you saying?  There are different rules on the field based on the weight of the player?  LOL...So are defensive lineman not allowed to lay big hits on Darren Sproles?  I mean this is football, kickers are all on the same field and are all subject to getting hit like any other player.  Thats why they try and avoid it, but that doesnt mean you cant hit them.  Its not like they have a red practice jersey on out there.

 

I agree it was a bit of a cheap shot, as are most hits on a kicker.  But its football, they can tackle as much as get hit.  If they dont want to get hit, they should play soccer.  I didnt like the hit on our kicker either, but at the same time he didnt do anything extreme like lead with the helmet, hit him in the back, etc.  He gave a good shot to his shoulder that was clean in terms of how he made the contact (no helmet to helmet, didn't lead with helmet, etc).  

 

And in terms of his wife upset some people laughing during the broadcast, there were Bills fans that were laughing and mocking Jenkins as he walked to the locker room after he got chop blocked.

I'm saying that it's a cheap shot, in the back, on a guy that is half his size.  I'm not saying you don't block the kicker, just not like that.  I was a defensive and offensive lineman, I know that chops are dirty, but I also know not to hit a scrawny-arse kicker from behind. 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Tenhigh said:

I'm saying that it's a cheap shot, in the back, on a guy that is half his size.  I'm not saying you don't block the kicker, just not like that.  I was a defensive and offensive lineman, I know that chops are dirty, but I also know not to hit a scrawny-arse kicker from behind. 

 

Cheap shot is different than a dirty shot.  Could he have not hit Haushka as hard, sure, but its football and guys are taught all through their careers to hit hard.  The dirty Dion play is a play they are taught not to do and can cause serious injury, even career altering or ending injuries.  

 

My point is, Bills fans don't really have a right to be so upset here given we were by far the more severe offender Sunday.  Its football, guys are gonna git hit, and kickers have been known to take some big hits over the years when they get out in the middle and lose track of where they are.  Its why kickers usually stay behind away from the blockers as more of a last line of defense kind of thing to avoid taking hits as much as possible.  Every now and then they wander into a danger zone and often pay the price.  

 

Chop blocks have no place in the sport, and honestly, they are so severe that I believe that repeat offenders warrant suspension.  

[mannc]

2 hours ago, TaskersGhost said:

Dude should get fined for that if the NFL is serious about injuries and their lipservice!  

 

Alternate Headline:  

 

Journeyman backup DT weighing over 300 lbs. cheap-shots 200-lb. 33 year-old K after play is effectively over to prove what a tough-guy he is and to bolster his "highlight" reel.  

 

Apparently he's out to prove something after flopping as a day-2 pick several years ago.  

 

Sounds like a prime candidate for beating his wife and dog too.  A real piece of work.  

Stanford’s finest...

9 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I'm saying that it's a cheap shot, in the back, on a guy that is half his size.  I'm not saying you don't block the kicker, just not like that.  I was a defensive and offensive lineman, I know that chops are dirty, but I also know not to hit a scrawny-arse kicker from behind. 

There is a term for it:  unnecessary roughness, and it’s a 15-yard penalty.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

What's with Bills kicker wives always getting involved in these public disputes?

 

 

It was on a public forum. 

 

 

 

Ignorance is supposed to be criticized 

[Tenhigh]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Cheap shot is different than a dirty shot.  Could he have not hit Haushka as hard, sure, but its football and guys are taught all through their careers to hit hard.  The dirty Dion play is a play they are taught not to do and can cause serious injury, even career altering or ending injuries.  

 

My point is, Bills fans don't really have a right to be so upset here given we were by far the more severe offender Sunday.  Its football, guys are gonna git hit, and kickers have been known to take some big hits over the years when they get out in the middle and lose track of where they are.  Its why kickers usually stay behind away from the blockers as more of a last line of defense kind of thing to avoid taking hits as much as possible.  Every now and then they wander into a danger zone and often pay the price.  

 

Chop blocks have no place in the sport, and honestly, they are so severe that I believe that repeat offenders warrant suspension.  

LOL, I like you Alpha, but on this you're nuts.  Chop blocks, like blocks in the back, is a dirty play.  Not sure why you are trying to argue the difference, both were uncool.  And at least you can see a chop block coming.  From behind you're defenseless. 

[Doc]

They're both dirty and both led to injury.

[reddogblitz]

Dude should have been ejected, received a fine, and suspended for the next game of two.  This kind of BS has no place in football IMHO.

[FLFan]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He said it was legal because it was technically from the side instead of the back and he could have still made the tackle on the blocked kick return and had tried to do so earlier, and that it looked worse than it was because he’s 100 lbs heavier than him. 

He absolutely hit him in the back.  

[Shortchaz]

9 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

Dude should have been ejected, received a fine, and suspended for the next game of two.  This kind of BS has no place in football IMHO.

This is the sort of reaction I’m seeing in this thread that I don’t agree with. 

 

The penalty fit the “crime”. I don’t see how this action was beyond the pale and deserves special attention. 

 

Was it uneccesary? Sure

 

was it vicious? Not in the context of football.

 

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Shortchaz, DC Tom will be by shortly to tell you what you are.

I have no idea what this means.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

Dude should have been ejected, received a fine, and suspended for the next game of two.  This kind of BS has no place in football IMHO.

And the blind ref should join him 

[Beast]

6 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

What a bunch of ***** idiots.  Actually celebrating an injury on a cheap, dirty hit from behind.  Takes all kinds, I guess.  No apology at all from Anderson.  Let's hope the NFL comes down hard on his white trailer-trash ass.

 

 

What would you have said if he was black?