HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Good idea for a new thread. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 It’s the overall sloppiness and lack of situational awareness that gets me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: It’s the overall sloppiness and lack of situational awareness that gets me. It's that too. The penalties have been a huge problem. But the situational awareness, game and clock management, and conservativeness are the biggest concerns for me. We see things like that sink teams in big games all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: It's that too. The penalties have been a huge problem. But the situational awareness, game and clock management, and conservativeness are the biggest concerns for me. We see things like that sink teams in big games all the time. ...lead the league with 50+ offensive penalties and are 2nd overall only to the Chiefs................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: I said it in another thread. The Jets last drive in our territory with about two minutes left, Jets with 2 TOs he was waving his arms furiously for the refs to run the clock. The clock was the least of their problems st that point. Just force the Jets into a 4th down and a FG try. It sums up his clueless in in game situations and his ultra conservative mindset. He wants to get a lead and essentially run the ball while playing good defense until the clock runs out. That has to change as Allen develops and becomes a better QB. What bothers me though is he was already good enough to win yesterday's game. That loss would sit perfectly fine with me if I felt like he had gotten those extra opportunities to make a play and wasn't able to. I don't care about that last INT on the last drive, things like that will happen to a young QB when they try to force it in that spot. But coaching for a FG twice there is tough to deal with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Agreed. The FG attempt from 55 was playing scared, the conservativeness of the offense was scared, the lack of aggression from the defense was not to lose, etc.. I really hated the fact after two weeks of being aggressive and attacking they played not to lose and it bit them in the butt. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I agree with the Ultra Conservative calls. Also to start the 2nd half and specially after the fumble recovery, try to go big for a TD... insted they run thruw the middle. We gained 2 yards and settle for a FG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I agree, I generally like him as a coach/motivator/leader, but I do not like him with game management at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I didn´t like the defensive game plan. They were playing coverage insted of pressure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. McDermott was at his absolute worst yesterday. He's done a good job in certain areas but bottom line is he's only 8 wins and 15 losses since that hot 5-2 start last year and how would he look if Hauschka wasn't amazing on all these 50+ yard kicks? With Hausch struggling we are finding out the past two weeks. He's too conservative and he needs to re-evaluate his approach this offseason. He definitely has the look of a coach who could take the better team and QB into a postseason game and be one-and-done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The lack of situational awareness on-field too. The call to throw it to Allen was a garbage playcall to begin with, BUT if you’re gonna call ityou have to have it drilled into Zay’s head that if it’s not there pull it and run. He could have easily scooted up the gut for the 3 yards, instead it somehow turned into a corner fade and Alled layed out hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I said it in another thread. The Jets last drive in our territory with about two minutes left, Jets with 2 TOs he was waving his arms furiously for the refs to run the clock. The clock was the least of their problems st that point. Just force the Jets into a 4th down and a FG try. It sums up his clueless in in game situations and his ultra conservative mindset. He wants to get a lead and essentially run the ball while playing good defense until the clock runs out. That has to change as Allen develops and becomes a better QB. That drove me nuts! The Bills needed to clock to stop, and he's begging them to roll it. What was he thinking?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He's too conservative and he needs to re-evaluate his approach this offseason. He's killing me. How do you look around the league at what aggressive play-callers are doing and still have this mindset? It's mind-numbing. I hope somebody has his ear and can get through to him. Maybe having more talent on the offensive side of the ball (and an NFL-worthy OL) will give him more confidence? Anyway, it's my single biggest issue with the team right now. Well, and Crossman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I said it in another thread. The Jets last drive in our territory with about two minutes left, Jets with 2 TOs he was waving his arms furiously for the refs to run the clock. The clock was the least of their problems st that point. Just force the Jets into a 4th down and a FG try. It sums up his clueless in in game situations and his ultra conservative mindset. He wants to get a lead and essentially run the ball while playing good defense until the clock runs out. That has to change as Allen develops and becomes a better QB. The question becomes will this actually change if Allen improves, or is McDermott just wired this way permanently. Based off how he talks about running the ball, controlling the clock and establishing the line of scrimmage, I think what you see is what you're always going to get. The Bills played the whole second half as if they were just bleeding the clock waiting for it to expire, holding onto a 20-13 lead. Unless you're defense can rush the passer and defend a one dimensional passing attack (we got zero pressure on Darnold yesterday), I think this strategy is destined to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That drove me nuts! The Bills needed to clock to stop, and he's begging them to roll it. What was he thinking?? That's a pattern with McDermott. He's probably hoping for a missed FG there instead of thinking about the fact that the Jets are most likely to tie or take the lead, and that we're the ones who need the clock to stop for our last possession. He does that all the time, whether it's at the end of the first half or end of the game. Zero situational awareness whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Everyone hates conservative play calls, especially because its so easy to do from the couch. Problem is, most of the people complaining about coaching do not have the foggiest idea what coaches do day in and day out, aside from situational football. And even then they are operating with the benefit of hindsight. Hauschka is one of our best players. When the game is on the line, you go with the talent. The offense wasn't exactly stellar. There was no reason to believe they could continue to reliably move the ball when McD went for the 55 yarder. It was the smart choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, eball said: He's killing me. How do you look around the league at what aggressive play-callers are doing and still have this mindset? It's mind-numbing. I hope somebody has his ear and can get through to him. Maybe having more talent on the offensive side of the ball (and an NFL-worthy OL) will give him more confidence? Anyway, it's my single biggest issue with the team right now. Well, and Crossman. You would think...but the problem with that thinking is Allen was good enough to win that game yesterday, and we still saw the same McD. It looks like this is just who he is, and it's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: It's that too. The penalties have been a huge problem. The penalties are a big problem. That many penalties, either you have guys who are not being taught/coached the right way Or you have guys who just can't learn Some penalties in the league are always going to be ticky-tack or wrong. But we make too many penalties (and other mistakes) that are justified, and dumb, for a well-coached team. Quote But the situational awareness, game and clock management, and conservativeness are the biggest concerns for me. We see things like that sink teams in big games all the time. McDermott as a HC needs to take a big step, no doubt. 8 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: The lack of situational awareness on-field too. The call to throw it to Allen was a garbage playcall to begin with, BUT if you’re gonna call ityou have to have it drilled into Zay’s head that if it’s not there pull it and run. He could have easily scooted up the gut for the 3 yards, instead it somehow turned into a corner fade and Alled layed out hard. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 will McDermott cost us in a big game? The bad news-yes. The good news-maybe someday we will actually have a big game, and not have a season of 4 preseason games, 10 real games, and then 6 virtual preseason games where we run out the schedule seeing who could possibly contribute next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 He costs us a lot of games as his philosophy does not work in today's game. He plays for 3 point games and sucks the fun out of football. The Bills should have won by 14, but again conservative coaching, drop after drop and special teams killed them. But for those fixated on the draft, I guess this is the result you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Great defensive coordinator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 46 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. You do realize that he doesn't call the offensive plays right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. Where do people get this conservative narrative from? Bills are aggressive all the time, going for big plays, trick plays, long balls, etc. We are among the leaders (if not the one with the most) in taking shots down field. Everytime a play doesnt work out this board paints this narrative that it means something specific. The last thing I think on a Sunday is that this team is “conservative”. We take more big shots than most teams. We unfortunately aren’t talented enough to convert as many as we would like thanks to bad OL protection and low quality weapons to throw to. Edited December 10, 2018 by Alphadawg7 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: You do realize that he doesn't call the offensive plays right? He knows what's being called, and if he doesn't...that's a problem in it of itself. Coordinators operate under the head coach's philosophy and influence, they are an extension of what the head coach wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) We've had 27 regular season games to assess McDermott and I 100% agree......he's not good on Sundays. Now maybe he's good Monday-Saturday, I wouldn't know, but on Sunday, the day when games are decided he's clueless. Clock management, timeout usage, challenges, agressiveness are all areas where he stinks. 2 weeks in a row he's handled end of the half clock management situations like a coach who just doesn't get it. We lost an opportunity to score vs the Dolphins at the end of the 1st half, because he was too dumb to call TO's when the Phins had the ball inside the 10 and were bleeding clock to prevent us a possession. His explanation after that game for why he wasnt using timeouts to preserve additional time for a Bills offense was pathetic. He said he didnt really like the way his offense was playing and he didnt want to go 3 and out and give the Phins another opportunity to score before half. If your offense had trouble scoring points you should be thinking the exact opposite.....you should attempt to maximize their possessions and opportunities to score points not minimize them. Here you have McDermott fretting "well what if we go 3 and out, the Dolphins could maybe score again". That's such a lame and defeated attitude to have and frankly one that I want no where near my sideline. Edited December 10, 2018 by Estro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I said it in another thread. The Jets last drive in our territory with about two minutes left, Jets with 2 TOs he was waving his arms furiously for the refs to run the clock. The clock was the least of their problems st that point. Just force the Jets into a 4th down and a FG try. It sums up his clueless in in game situations and his ultra conservative mindset. He wants to get a lead and essentially run the ball while playing good defense until the clock runs out. That has to change as Allen develops and becomes a better QB. Spot on assessment- I think its important to remember the cards he is dealt right now. The horse stable is bare man- I wanna give him 1 more year. It is tough to coach when offense and special teams is a cluster. Today he can start by firing Crossman. After that start strategizing with the offense and what we need in the offseason. Edited December 10, 2018 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Where do people get this conservative narrative from? Bills aggressive all the time, going for big plays, trick plays, long balls, etc. We are among the leaders (if not the one with the most) in taking shots down field. Everytime a play doesnt work out this board paints this narrative that it means something specific. The last thing I think on a Sunday is that this team is “conservative”. We take more big shots than most teams. We unfortunately aren’t talented enough to convert as many as we would like thanks to bad OL protection and low quality weapons to throw to. McDermott's game management is EXTREMELY conservative. He didn't want to go for it on the Jets 36 when we had an injured kicker and then we ran it twice on the 2nd to last drive in a tie game from the Jets 23 and gave Allen 1 play. He was coaching for a FG. And as others mentioned here, he was waving furiously at the refs to run the clock when the Jets were in our territory down 3 with 2 timeouts...we didn't need the clock to run there, we needed it to stop to have more time on our possession as the Jets were very likely to either tie or take the lead there. Everything he does in his game management is about just trying to keep the game close, he doesn't go for the throat to win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: It’s the overall sloppiness and lack of situational awareness that gets me. No one is ever going to mistake Mc for being Belichick or any top line elite coach. His game day adjustments and clock management are clearly weak. I appreciate his enthusiasm minus the incessant clapping, but unfortunately his conservative style does scare me. He learns from his mistakes but it takes longer than most to realize them. His 3rd year may be the make or break season. He and Brandon have to upgrade this OL/WR corp. And stop this ST unit from bleeding out. Our defense is good and our new QB has talent. Next year he won't have the luxury of "costing us a game". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 40 minutes ago, Antonio said: I didn´t like the defensive game plan. They were playing coverage insted of pressure. The lack of pressure on Darnold got me - the kid is a turnover machine, but especially when pressured. Tre had one of his worst games of his career in the secondary, and injuries aside our run defense was up and down. I can see some of the points conceded on short field situations thanks to special teams, but defensively we seemed to be a different team yesterday than from previous weeks, both in game plan and performance. Would really like to see the cover 1 breakdowns for why. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Let me know when we play in a big game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: Let me know when we play in a big game. If Allen turns out to be the real deal, which it looks like he could...we will be soon enough. Anytime you have a legit franchise QB, you're going to win some games. I'm not sure the team will be put in the best position to win if it happens though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 As an Andy Reid disciple, I don't think his game management skills will get better. Hopefully, we can have a ridiculous offense like theirs, so it doesn't matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Do ppl understand that the talent of the team is not good in a rebuilding year? nobody questions the decisions of the hc when they win but we are not winning this year take a deep breath and realize the team is not going to win this year 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Isn't the question every owner and GM should be asking themselves is "can I envision this coach holding up the Lombardi Trophy?" Honestly, as much as I liked Marv Levy, after the third Super Bowl loss, the gross embarrassment 50 point blowout to the Cowboys, there was no way I could envision Marv winning a Super Bowl. Honestly, can you envision McDermott winning a Super Bowl? I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Do ppl understand that the talent of the team is not good in a rebuilding year? nobody questions the decisions of the hc when they win but we are not winning this year take a deep breath and realize the team is not going to win this year What does that have to do with his horrific game management skills? We've seen good, competitive teams get sunk by poor game management. I wouldn't have cared if we lost the last 2 weeks if McDermott had put this team in the best position to succeed. He didn't. We're not a playoff team either way, but it's still a problem going forward. That's something that can hurt you even if you have a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The penalties are a big problem. That many penalties, either you have guys who are not being taught/coached the right way Or you have guys who just can't learn Some penalties in the league are always going to be ticky-tack or wrong. But we make too many penalties (and other mistakes) that are justified, and dumb, for a well-coached team. At some point the HC needs to instill in the players that stupid penalties simply won't be tolerated. Which means either benching a player after they do this or outright cutting a repeat offender. The players need to learn there are consequences for being stupid and hurting the entire team. That said, Dion Dawkins might have set that whole Jets team on fire with his chop block to start the game. A play like that is not only illegal, its downright wrong and can be career ending. The Jets player in question (Jenkins) was furious over that play and I'm sure he let his teammates know that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. Wait, you think McDermott is going to get the team to a "big game?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Wait, you think McDermott is going to get the team to a "big game?" Got us to the biggest game the Bills have had in the last 17 years. 21 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Isn't the question every owner and GM should be asking themselves is "can I envision this coach holding up the Lombardi Trophy?" Honestly, as much as I liked Marv Levy, after the third Super Bowl loss, the gross embarrassment 50 point blowout to the Cowboys, there was no way I could envision Marv winning a Super Bowl. Honestly, can you envision McDermott winning a Super Bowl? I can't. This is the worst version of the eye test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I'm getting the vibe that nobody in this thread is respecting the process. He'll have it all ironed out by next year, ya dig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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