McDermott is going to cost us in a big game

[Bill_with_it]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

the 55 yard field goal with an injured kicker was a head-scratcher.   either punt and pin them back, or better yet, let JA and the offense try to execute a 4th down. 

So kick it and let them run it back for a td (likely), let allen try and get a first down (plausible), or let your medically cleared kicker with wind try and add 3 points to your score (plausible). Two of those dont result in anything points wise for our team. 

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. 

 

You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. 

 

You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. 

 

 

McDermott is the type of football guy who wants to keep it close and win all games 10-7.

 

He is an over-promoted DC and will likely revert to that level in due course.

 

I just pray to God Pegula understands that his next HC needs to be young, smart, and offensively oriented.

It's where the game is and where it's going.

 

 

[Joeziehmer]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

You know at first I thought you might be a challenged 13 year old trying to post with the adults

 

now I see I gave you too much credit

 

 

Well mocking children with disabilities that’s about it for me.  As much as you want to draw out profanity from me Johnny boyo I know how you roll amateur hour.

[teef]

50 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Does your character make you feel better when your team sucks?

I've been a fan for nearly 30 years. The losing and patheticness has gotten to me. Especially the idiotic moves. This team may be good enough for you, but some of us are winners in life and like to be around winning. 

winners in life don't really care about how a football team is doing.  mostly because life is already awesome, and realize that there's not point in gnashing your teeth over something that you can't control.

[The_Dude]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

winners in life don't really care about how a football team is doing.  mostly because life is already awesome, and realize that there's not point in gnashing your teeth over something that you can't control.

 

This is true. The Bills patheticness is not an indictment on me. However, it’s been like 30 years since this team was good and I deserve better. This team still sucks. Sucked last year too. Most fluke playoff berth since the 7-9 Seahawks made it. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

winners in life don't really care about how a football team is doing.  mostly because life is already awesome, and realize that there's not point in gnashing your teeth over something that you can't control.

 

If this were the BBMB, that quote would 100% be my new signature.  

 

Can't be a football guy unless your'e a winner that wants to be around other winners. 

2 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

This is true. The Bills patheticness is not an indictment on me. However, it’s been like 30 years since this team was good and I deserve better. This team still sucks. Sucked last year too. Most fluke playoff berth since the 7-9 Seahawks made it. 

 

The Dude deserves better.  He's a winner. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

All coaches make boneheaded moves.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/12/10/even-ex-patriots-are-blasting-bill-belichicks-bonehead-move/

 

 

You have to look at the overall big picture. Happy Clap's overall body of work is above average, especially considering the lack of talent he has to work with. The results of next year should be the time to judge, not the here and now. Passing judgement on this coach can be summed up in one word: BILLSY.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I said it in another thread.

 

The Jets last drive in our territory with about two minutes left, Jets with 2 TOs he was waving his arms furiously for the refs to run the clock. 

 

The clock was the least of their problems st that point. Just force the Jets into a 4th down and a FG try. 

 

It sums up his clueless in in game situations and his ultra conservative mindset. He wants to get a lead and essentially run the ball while playing good defense until the clock runs out. That has to change as Allen develops and becomes a better QB. 

 To be fair he was furiously waving his arms because he wanted the clock running under 2 minutes and every second counts... the guy was clealry out but a moving clock would help us in that situation 

 

its better than getting 10 yards and stopping the clock.

 

im sure he didn’t forget to try and stop the jets because of that... he just got marched on

[The_Dude]

11 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

If this were the BBMB, that quote would 100% be my new signature.  

 

Can't be a football guy unless your'e a winner that wants to be around other winners. 

 

The Dude deserves better.  He's a winner. 

 

Well, that and I’m not a western New Yorker. I used to be. Haven’t been in nearly 25 years. So I don’t have an attachment to the area. It’s an ugly city and the football is bad. So why continue to torment myself with bad football? 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I agree. 

 

You’re almost two years in now. 

 

Can any Bills fan realistically think that Sean McDermott could play the Patriots, Chiefs, Steelers in the Playoffs and score enough points with a Josh Allen led team? 

 

Milking a lead got the Jags beat last season. 

 

 

[Joeziehmer]

45 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Kewl story, bruh. 

The ones more apt to insult dissenting fans are social media firm posers.  Looking to get us tossed for profanity and having a little bit more leeway in xenophobic commenting or in questioning someone’s aptitude for English.  Moderators will stand a little off to the side and give them free passes.  It helps keep a pay structure going, standard operating procedure for fan sites.  

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Well, that and I’m not a western New Yorker. I used to be. Haven’t been in nearly 25 years. So I don’t have an attachment to the area. It’s an ugly city and the football is bad. So why continue to torment myself with bad football? 

I'm not sure it is possible to stop being a fan of a team you have followed for 30 years. However, it is 100% your choice on how you choose to be affected by the team you follow. You can understand you have absolutely no control over how the team performs  and find ways to not let the bad times adversely affect your life. Or, you can just continue to be miserable when things don't go well. I have followed this team for over 50 years and I do not think I could just stop being a fan. I have changed how I deal with being a fan of the Bills; however, I couldn't just stop being a fan - although, heaven knows I've had my moments of wondering, just like you.

[HardyBoy]

2 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

will McDermott cost us in a big game?  The bad news-yes. The good news-maybe someday we will actually have a big game, and not have a season of 4 preseason games,  10 real games, and then 6 virtual preseason games where we run out the schedule seeing who could possibly contribute next year.

 

Like last year?

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, Antonio said:

I agree with the Ultra Conservative calls. Also to start the 2nd half and specially after the fumble recovery, try to go big for a TD... insted they run thruw the middle. We gained 2 yards and settle for a FG.

 

This IS THE PROCESS.  Get up by a TD or so in the second half and sit on the football and let the D win it.  Maybe pick up a FG or two if you can, but don't get too crazy.  We saw it last year and we saw it yesterday.  I don't expect to see it change.  it is what it is.

[row_33]

when is a big game coming around, 2021?

 

[HOUSE]

 

I am not seeing the love here

[reddogblitz]

22 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Happy Clap's overall body of work is above average,

 

13-16 is above average?

[John from Riverside]

18 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Well, that and I’m not a western New Yorker. I used to be. Haven’t been in nearly 25 years. So I don’t have an attachment to the area. It’s an ugly city and the football is bad. So why continue to torment myself with bad football? 

Thats a good question.....I feel that you should not

[The_Dude]

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I'm not sure it is possible to stop being a fan of a team you have followed for 30 years. However, it is 100% your choice on how you choose to be affected by the team you follow. You can understand you have absolutely no control over how the team performs  and find ways to not let the bad times adversely affect your life. Or, you can just continue to be miserable when things don't go well. I have followed this team for over 50 years and I do not think I could just stop being a fan. I have changed how I deal with being a fan of the Bills; however, I couldn't just stop being a fan - although, heaven knows I've had my moments of wondering, just like you.

 

It's very much a toxic relationship. 

[4_kidd_4]

Buffalo’s not an ugly city, you’re an ugly city!

 

**pppbbbbbbbbtttt**

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

 

Does your character make you feel better when your team sucks?

I've been a fan for nearly 30 years. The losing and patheticness has gotten to me. Especially the idiotic moves. This team may be good enough for you, but some of us are winners in life and like to be around winning. 

 

This is the season that is going to break you? I know it's tough, but it's a rebuild, you need to find other things to focus on other than wins, losses and the typical stats.

 

Adjust your expectations, because right now they're not realistic. Or, you are intentionally setting them where they are because you are hoping to be made upset so you can be angry. 

 

The Chiefs aren't going to make you happy if you are looking to be unhappy, you'll find something else to empower as your negativity talisman.

 

Funny, isn't that basically the moral of the Big Lebowski (it's just a fing rug man).

[Tenhigh]

11 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

The ones more apt to insult dissenting fans are social media firm posers.  Looking to get us tossed for profanity and having a little bit more leeway in xenophobic commenting or in questioning someone’s aptitude for English.  Moderators will stand a little off to the side and give them free passes.  It helps keep a pay structure going, standard operating procedure for fan sites.   

[Joeziehmer]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

It's very much a toxic relationship. 

I’ve got family who played for the semi-pro franchise and missed going professional.  Having wives and a family kind of put them in a sling.  Along with how much of a beating their bodies could take.  It’s not toxic to me rooting for them or in questioning Coaches.  What is toxic is a pack of social media firm and public relations trolls who went after my last name and started bringing up my immigration status and abilities to comprehend English.  I think those folks lack the milk of human kindness.  

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

I’ve got family who played for the semi-pro franchise and missed going professional.  Having wives and a family kind of put them in a sling.  Along with how much of a beating their bodies could take.  It’s not toxic to me rooting for them or in questioning Coaches.  What is toxic is a pack of social media firm and public relations trolls who went after my last name and started bringing up my immigration status and abilities to comprehend English.  I think those folks lack the milk of human kindness.  

I'm really not trying to bust your chops, but what the hell is milk of human kindness? Sounds disgusting.

[Joeziehmer]

Just now, Tenhigh said:

Tenhigh you guys ran your mouths collectively on my immigration status or comprehending English.  You folks got a lot of leeway from moderators on it.  See you folks insulting the elderly and disabled without any oversight.  Not a lot of answers though for if you would be this mean and snide toward family members with disabilities or elderly family members.  

[The_Dude]

5 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

I’ve got family who played for the semi-pro franchise and missed going professional.  Having wives and a family kind of put them in a sling.  Along with how much of a beating their bodies could take.  It’s not toxic to me rooting for them or in questioning Coaches.  What is toxic is a pack of social media firm and public relations trolls who went after my last name and started bringing up my immigration status and abilities to comprehend English.  I think those folks lack the milk of human kindness.  

 

Um. What? Not really sure how any of that is relivant to what I said. But, erm, for what it’s worth I fully support your right to criticize the Bills. 

[Joeziehmer]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm really not trying to bust your chops, but what the hell is milk of human kindness? Sounds disgusting.

A phrase my Grandfather used to describe some truthfully disgusting human beings.  No kindness or empathy to them at all.  He was a Cop before working at Hooker Chemical.  

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Joeziehmer said:

Tenhigh you guys ran your mouths collectively on my immigration status or comprehending English.  You folks got a lot of leeway from moderators on it.  See you folks insulting the elderly and disabled without any oversight.  Not a lot of answers though for if you would be this mean and snide toward family members with disabilities or elderly family members.  

I can't speak to immigration status, but methinks your less-than warm reception had plenty more to do with your unintelligible posts and incredibly hot takes.  Which makes sense to me as you are pretty clearly trolling here, and you are being treated accordingly.  Good work through, you got the board pretty stirred up in the last few days. 

[mjt328]

I get so tired of head coaches being second-guessed for everything.

 

The Bills had a chance to the lead with less than 8 minutes left in the 4th Quarter, during a tie-game.

The option was his kicker (who is one of the league's best) to hit from 56 --- or -- 4th and 8 with a rookie QB and inconsistent offense.

His defense had been playing pretty well, so he had plenty of confidence they could stop the Jets from mounting another scoring drive.

 

If the Bills went for it on 4th and then DID NOT make it, people would be screaming how McDermott should have been smart and just taken the points in that situation.

 

 

 

[Joeziehmer]

5 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I can't speak to immigration status, but methinks your less-than warm reception had plenty more to do with your unintelligible posts and incredibly hot takes.  Which makes sense to me as you are pretty clearly trolling here, and you are being treated accordingly.  Good work through, you got the board pretty stirred up in the last few days. 

Any signs of frustration or questioning is treated with insults accordingly?  Wow, even to children and elderly thanks but I’ll pass and ignore you guys when I post.  

16 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Um. What? Not really sure how any of that is relivant to what I said. But, erm, for what it’s worth I fully support your right to criticize the Bills. 

I’ve gotten questions on immigration status and abilities to comprehend English.  When I see the McClappy die hards it’s usually their flinging insults or profile creeping as to how long I’ve been here on the boards.  Feels like a tool to divided rhe fan base or push out dissenting opinions with all the psychological force of a sledge hammer.  

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

This to me was the most vital sequence in the game. Zay's decision to try to throw it as the play called for instead of getting the three yards that he could easily have managed was brutal. If he gets that first down, the Bills have a shot at scoring a touchdown, or even if they don't they run a lot of time off the clock and leave the Jets will much less time to score. 

 

To me, it's hilarious that "McDermott's awful conservative approach" was the WHOLE POINT of this thread.

He's supposedly a TERRIBLE coach, because he refuses to attack and be aggressive.

 

Yet, here is an example of the Bills aggressively going for the touchdown INSTEAD of getting the easy first down...

And apparently, that was ALSO a bad call by this coaching staff.

 

[Tenhigh]

2 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

Any signs of frustration or questioning is treated with insults accordingly?  Wow, even to children and elderly thanks but I’ll pass and ignore you guys when I post.  

It's not frustration or questioning, it's spam Joe, just admit it, you're caught.  Pats or Fins?  My guess is Pats.

 

[CaptnCoke11]

4 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Everyone hates conservative play calls, especially because its so easy to do from the couch.  Problem is, most of the people complaining about coaching do not have the foggiest idea what coaches do day in and day out, aside from situational football.  And even then they are operating with the benefit of hindsight. 

 

Hauschka is one of our best players.  When the game is on the line, you go with the talent.  The offense wasn't exactly stellar. There was no reason to believe they could continue to reliably move the ball when McD went for the 55 yarder.  It was the smart choice. 

Oh Sean just give up already. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Oh Sean just give up already. 

 

What does that even mean? 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

13-16 is above average?

 

With this roster and last years, and the changes they are making? We made the playoffs with just a smidge better roster...

[reddogblitz]

Just now, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

 

With this roster and last years, and the changes they are making? We made the playoffs with just a smidge better roster...

 

If he were above average he could have made it this year too.  An above average coach at least has the sense to not go into the season with Nasty Nate as starter with only a rookie to back him up.  It probably cost us at least 3 games. 

[Joeziehmer]

31 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

It's not frustration or questioning, it's spam Joe, just admit it, you're caught.  Pats or Fins?  My guess is Pats.

 

Would rather be dead and buried before I ever rooted for the Fins or Cheaters.  

[BananaB]

Well I guess you believe McDermott will get us too a big game. Considering our history over the past couple decades that is a big step forward. 

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

I get so tired of head coaches being second-guessed for everything.

 

The Bills had a chance to the lead with less than 8 minutes left in the 4th Quarter, during a tie-game.

The option was his kicker (who is one of the league's best) to hit from 56 --- or -- 4th and 8 with a rookie QB and inconsistent offense.

His defense had been playing pretty well, so he had plenty of confidence they could stop the Jets from mounting another scoring drive.

 

If the Bills went for it on 4th and then DID NOT make it, people would be screaming how McDermott should have been smart and just taken the points in that situation.

 

 

 

You are correct, some people would be screaming. Those people would be wrong.  With Hauschka obviously hurting you only have two choices there.  Go for it or punt.  To try that FG and give up additional field position wasn't wise.  If his defense was, as you say,  playing pretty well then why not punt?  At this point in the season why not go for it and then fall on your sword after the game? That would at least show the offense that he has false hope in their abilities.  This is just the most recent in game screw up by The Process.  The Process is not good at game management and to the OP...Yes, The Process will indeed cost the Bills in a big game unless he hires a bench coach to help him out.  

[mjt328]

6 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

You are correct, some people would be screaming. Those people would be wrong.  With Hauschka obviously hurting you only have two choices there.  Go for it or punt.  To try that FG and give up additional field position wasn't wise.  If his defense was, as you say,  playing pretty well then why not punt?  At this point in the season why not go for it and then fall on your sword after the game? That would at least show the offense that he has false hope in their abilities.  This is just the most recent in game screw up by The Process.  The Process is not good at game management and to the OP...Yes, The Process will indeed cost the Bills in a big game unless he hires a bench coach to help him out.  

 

How do you know that Hauschka's injury had anything to do with the miss? 

The idea that "McDermott knew" he was sending out an injured kicker is very key to your argument.  But it's nothing more than fan speculation from the living room.

Maybe Hauschka and the doctors said he was fine.  In which case, he's usually pretty good from 50+ yard kicks.

 

The argument against PUNTING is that you have the chance to take the lead, halfway through the 4th Quarter.

 

I absolutely hate when fans criticize coaches for gameday decisions like these.  There is no "clear" right and wrong... until after the play is done and everyone has the benefit of hindsight.  So many things go into coaching a football team.  But fans boil the coaches performance down to whether the guy was conservative/aggressive enough in a certain situation, whether they punted or went for it, when they decide to throw challenge flags, etc, etc.  The truth is, most fans are clueless and are just looking for a scapegoat to blame.