Rate the rookie QB after week 13

[RPbillsfan]

Results are in for the rookie QB's in week 13.

 

Here is how I rate them so far

 

5. Sam Darnold - Injured and when played very turnover prone.  Has made some flash plays, but weaknesses addressed in pre-draft scouting are really showing up.

 

4.  Josh Rosen - Not been impressive at all, no mobility, seems to lack arm strength to make all the throws.  Very low completion percentage for a QB with accuracy a strength coming in.

 

3.  Lamar Jackson - Not very much on the passing side, excellent runner.  Undefeated as a starter is a by-product of soft schedule as a starter.  Let's see what he's got next week against the Chiefs

 

2.  Josh Allen - Developing nicely, is everything in his pre-draft scouting report.  Magnificent arm, needs improvement in accuracy.  Running threat is more then what we expected.  Best long term upside of entire rookie class.  

 

1.  Baker Mayfield - Accurate, strong feel for the game, prone to interceptions and may be as good as he is going to get

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, RPbillsfan said:

Results are in for the rookie QB's in week 13.

 

Here is how I rate them so far

 

5. Sam Darnold - Injured and when played very turnover prone.  Has made some flash plays, but weaknesses addressed in pre-draft scouting are really showing up.

 

4.  Josh Rosen - Not been impressive at all, no mobility, seems to lack arm strength to make all the throws.  Very low completion percentage for a QB with accuracy a strength coming in.

 

3.  Lamar Jackson - Not very much on the passing side, excellent runner.  Undefeated as a starter is a by-product of soft schedule as a starter.  Let's see what he's got next week against the Chiefs

 

2.  Josh Allen - Developing nicely, is everything in his pre-draft scouting report.  Magnificent arm, needs improvement in accuracy.  Running threat is more then what we expected.  Best long term upside of entire rookie class.  

 

1.  Baker Mayfield - Accurate, strong feel for the game, prone to interceptions and may be as good as he is going to get

 

I'd swap Darnold and Rosen, but pretty close. I wouldn't even rate Jackson.

 

[GunnerBill]

To me:

1. Baker

2. Allen

3. Rosen

4. Darnold

5. Jackson

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

To me:

1. Baker

2. Allen

3. Rosen

4. Darnold

5. Jackson

 

I’m higher on Jackson than you.

 

1. Baker 

2. Allen

3. Jackson

4. Rosen

5. Darnold

 

[Bangarang]

I can’t believe there are people saying Baker has reached his ceiling. Absolutely mind boggling.

 

As of right now I’d say it’s

 

Baker

Allen

Rosen

Darnold

Jackson

 

The last 3 are interchangeable at this point. And I don’t think they are close to Baker or Allen.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Bangarang

[Jasovon]

Baker

Allen

Jackson

Rosen

Darnold

 

Jackson isn't a great passer but he's 3-0 and has made the team around him better, that means alot as a QB. Darnold is massively turnover prone and the excuses that he has no receiver talent is nonsense when you look at who Allen is throwing to.

 

Thrilled we got Allen to be honest. 

[Cash]

I really only watch Bills games with regularity, so I’ll only weigh in on Allen. I’m very encouraged by what I’ve seen since he came back. I thought he was better against the Jags than today, but still saw a lot better today than I saw earlier this year. The future may just be bright!

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m higher on Jackson than you.

 

1. Baker 

2. Allen

3. Jackson

4. Rosen

5. Darnold

 

 

Meh. His passing has been desperat through 2 games. Running around doesn't impress me. You won't win that way long term. 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Meh. His passing has been desperat through 2 games. Running around doesn't impress me. You won't win that way long term. 

 

He’s 3-0 and is further along than Darnold or Rosen. His team has rallied. Regardless of what it means long-term, he has certainly helped his team more than those others.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Troll Toll]

1. Allen

2. Baker

 

 

 

3. Darnold

4. Jackson

5. Rosen

 

Allen’s development has been on rocket fuel the past couple weeks. He is definitely making the most “wow” plays and he is doing it with the worst supporting cast in the NFL. Looking like a future Super Bowl QB. He is already way ahead of the development curve, sky is the limit.

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Troll Toll said:

1. Allen

2. Baker

 

 

 

3. Darnold

4. Jackson

5. Rosen

 

Allen’s development has been on rocket fuel the past couple weeks. He is definitely making the most “wow” plays and he is doing it with the worst supporting cast in the NFL. Looking like a future Super Bowl QB. He is already way ahead of the development curve, sky is the limit.

 

Lol Allen better than Baker. Put that pipe down.

[Troll Toll]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Lol Allen better than Baker. Put that pipe down.

 

He passed Baker this week. It seems like there are a decent number of people on here who have no clue how incredible the throws and runs were this week (probably clouded by the disappointing outcome). In the coming weeks it will only become clearer that Allen is the best of the class, especially when he beats New England on the road.

[N.Y. Orangeman]

I wouldn't trade Josh for any of them.

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Troll Toll said:

 

He passed Baker this week. It seems like there are a decent number of people on here who have no clue how incredible the throws and runs were this week (probably clouded by the disappointing outcome). In the coming weeks it will only become clearer that Allen is the best of the class, especially when he beats New England on the road.

 

No, just no.

[Troll Toll]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

No, just no.

It’s okay, climb aboard the A-Train now, it’s leaving the station soon.

[JMF2006]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m higher on Jackson than you.

 

1. Baker 

2. Allen

3. Jackson

4. Rosen

5. Darnold

 

 

This looks like the right order.

 

Darnold is a turnover machine like most people thought he would be.

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s 3-0 and is further along than Darnold or Rosen. His team has rallied. Regardless of what it means long-term, he has certainly helped his team more than those others.

 

He has?  Are you sure it's not just that he plays on a much better team than any of the other guys?

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Meh. His passing has been desperat through 2 games. Running around doesn't impress me. You won't win that way long term. 

 

 

Also the past couple games Allen has been significantly more effective running the ball than Jackson, it isn't even close. Allen has had 22 rushes for 234 yards since coming back from injury. Jackson has had 28 rushes for 146 yards. That's 10.6 YPC for Allen to 5.2 YPC for Jackson. That's crazy. I know Allen's mobility was part of his game in college but I don't think anyone predicted he would be this good.

 

Random funny side note - on Jackson's Pro Football Reference page his rushing is listed before his passing. I don't think I've ever seen that on a QB's page before.

Edited December 3, 2018 by HappyDays

[billspro]

2 hours ago, Troll Toll said:

1. Allen

2. Baker

 

 

 

3. Darnold

4. Jackson

5. Rosen

 

Allen’s development has been on rocket fuel the past couple weeks. He is definitely making the most “wow” plays and he is doing it with the worst supporting cast in the NFL. Looking like a future Super Bowl QB. He is already way ahead of the development curve, sky is the limit.

 

Thats seems similar to how I would rate them. Allen looks special.

[Juice_32]

2 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

I wouldn't trade Josh for any of them.

 

I don't think I would either.

[ThunderGun]

He may not be a better pure passer than Mayfield, but moving forward and seeing what I have out of both, I would rather build around Allen than Mayfield.  Allen simply has tools that you can’t teach AND the mental aptitude to handle the game at this level.

 

I will honestly be surprised if Allen doesn’t end up with a HOF level career. I’ve never seen a QB who can run over defenders, or simply out run them, and sling the ball 60 yards with the snap of his wrist.  He has an errant throw on occasion but his inaccuracy “issues” are definitely blown out of proportion and I honestly bet 10-15% of his incompletions are simply due to bad receievers not being able to handle the heat on his throws.  I rarely catch myself thinking “where well was that ball going”. Does he miss throws from time to time? Sure, but so do the best of them.

 

Right now I’ll still say 

1.Baker

2.Allen

3.Rosen

4.Jackson

5.Mullens.... doesn’t count so Darnold. Another “great” USC QB.

 

By the end of next year though I can easily see 1 and 2 flipped.

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 hours ago, ThunderGun said:

He may not be a better pure passer than Mayfield, but moving forward and seeing what I have out of both, I would rather build around Allen than Mayfield.  Allen simply has tools that you can’t teach AND the mental aptitude to handle the game at this level.

 

I will honestly be surprised if Allen doesn’t end up with a HOF level career. I’ve never seen a QB who can run over defenders, or simply out run them, and sling the ball 60 yards with the snap of his wrist.  He has an errant throw on occasion but his inaccuracy “issues” are definitely blown out of proportion and I honestly bet 10-15% of his incompletions are simply due to bad receievers not being able to handle the heat on his throws.  I rarely catch myself thinking “where well was that ball going”. Does he miss throws from time to time? Sure, but so do the best of them.

 

Right now I’ll still say 

1.Baker

2.Allen

3.Rosen

4.Jackson

5.Mullens.... doesn’t count so Darnold. Another “great” USC QB.

 

By the end of next year though I can easily see 1 and 2 flipped.

 

 

Until today i would say Baker 1 but after today Allen is one. 

 

i agree about the bad passes EVERY QB has them, the key is overcoming them and with a catch from Clay we would have.

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

I thought this before this weeks game but I think that if you put Mayfield on the Bills with this coaching and OC and line and WR and running game he would not look any better than Josh has, and I like Mayfield.

[GoBills808]

Allen primed to start separating himself from the pack. Better jump on this bandwagon while there's still room.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Allen primed to start separating himself from the pack. Better jump on this bandwagon while there's still room.

 

after today l think Allen won over the fan base.

 

There are some delusional nitpickers out there but some people didn't like Kelly either 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[SCBills]

4 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

I wouldn't trade Josh for any of them.

 

I wouldn’t either.  I’m trying to not be a homer but if we look at it objectively, it comes down to Allen vs Baker.  

 

Jackson has actually been impressive, but that Ravens squad is basically us last year with Tyrod.  I don’t want that again. 

 

Darnold and Rosen have been disappointing.  Rosen was supposed to be the lowest ceiling, but highest floor....dude seems to have the lowest ceiling and lowest floor.   Darnold has flashed but is a turnover machine with a punchable face.  Also no idea why Bowles isn’t playing him....Sam is healthy now. 

 

As for Allen vs Baker.  Baker was a beast for a few weeks but seems to be regressing against better competition, while Allen has had two monster weeks in a row since coming back from injury.  

 

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by SCBills

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s 3-0 and is further along than Darnold or Rosen. His team has rallied. Regardless of what it means long-term, he has certainly helped his team more than those others.

 

Tim Tebow rallied his team running around a lot too. 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

I wouldn’t either.  I’m trying to not be a homer but if we look at it objectively, it comes down to Allen vs Baker.  

 

Jackson has actually been impressive, but that Ravens squad is basically us last year with Tyrod.  I don’t want that again. 

 

Darnold and Rosen have been disappointing.  Rosen was supposed to be the lowest ceiling, but highest floor....dude seems to have the lowest ceiling and lowest floor.   Darnold has flashed but is a turnover machine with a punchable face.  Also no idea why Bowles isn’t playing him....Sam is healthy now. 

 

As for Allen vs Baker.  Baker was a beast for a few weeks but seems to be regressing against better competition, while Allen has had two monster weeks in a row since coming back from injury.  

 

 

Baker is still ahead of Allen performance wise a bad game doesn't just reverse where he was last week. I would say Allen is gaining on him if he keeps stringing good performances together he could overtake him.

[Kirby Jackson]

9 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

He has?  Are you sure it's not just that he plays on a much better team than any of the other guys?

His team was 4-5 when he took over. They are 3-0 since. Yes, he’s helped his team more than Rosen or Darnold have helped theirs.

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

His team was 4-5 when he took over. They are 3-0 since. Yes, he’s helped his team more than Rosen or Darnold have helped theirs.

Put him on our team, Jets, or Browns  and he would be 0-3

 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tim Tebow rallied his team running around a lot too. 

Yep, and short term he was successful. Even still Tim Tebow completed 46.5% of his passes that year. Jackson is near 60%. We aren’t talking about “what it means moving forward.” The question is “which rookie QBs have played the best?” 

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsMagic1 said:

Put him on our team, Jets, or Browns  and he would be 0-3

 

I don’t think so. He came in on a team that was below .500 and hasn’t lost. The Ravens weren’t exactly a good team when he took over. Joe Flacco has them at 4-5. Lamar Jackson has them at 3-0. His playmaking has fit in nicely with that defense. It’s kind of similar to why Tyrod won in Buffalo. 

[CommonCents]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tim Tebow rallied his team running around a lot too. 

Didn’t Lamar get concussed yesterday?

[billsfan_34]

12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m higher on Jackson than you.

 

1. Baker 

2. Allen

3. Jackson

4. Rosen

5. Darnold

 

Lamar is doing some nice things- I am interested to see how well he does once teams have plenty of tape on him. 

[Teddy KGB]

11 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Lol Allen better than Baker. Put that pipe down.

 

That hat trick of INT’s by Baker in the first half was impressive.

 

[Trogdor]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

That hat trick of INT’s by Baker in the first half was impressive.

 

2ints and a fumble isn't just as bad?

[Teddy KGB]

4 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

2ints and a fumble isn't just as bad?

 

Hail Mary int’s are unacceptable ??‍♂️??‍♂️

[4merper4mer]

11 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

No, just no.

Still too early for any of them to get a fair grade, especially Darnold.  That said, the man crushes on Baker are silly.  If Allen threw 9 million pick six against the Texans, everyone in this thread would be ranking him 5th.

[Bangarang]

8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Still too early for any of them to get a fair grade, especially Darnold.  That said, the man crushes on Baker are silly.  If Allen threw 9 million pick six against the Texans, everyone in this thread would be ranking him 5th.

 

I don’t care what people would think about a one game sample size. If you take their entire body of work into account so far, Baker has been the best and it’s not even close.

28 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

That hat trick of INT’s by Baker in the first half was impressive.

 

 

Not as impressive as you cherry picking to fit your agenda. It’s like some of you are so insecure towards the notion that another team may have a really good young QB too. If Allen’s not the absolute best then that’s blasphemy!

[Teddy KGB]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I don’t care what people would think about a one game sample size. If you take their entire body of work into account so far, Baker has been the best and it’s not even close.

 

I’d like to see Baker vs the Jags. 

 

He was hot garbage vs the Bucs/Texans/Steelers/Chargers.   

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

It’s like some of you are so insecure towards the notion that another team may have a really good young QB too. If Allen’s not the absolute best then that’s blasphemy!

 

You see right through my insecurities ????

 

Youre good Frazier !     I cherry picked 4 more games for you ??

Edited December 3, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

I’d like to see Baker vs the Jags. 

 

He was hot garbage vs the Bucs/Texans/Steelers/Chargers.   

 

If you say so