ThunderGun Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He may not be a better pure passer than Mayfield, but moving forward and seeing what I have out of both, I would rather build around Allen than Mayfield. Allen simply has tools that you can’t teach AND the mental aptitude to handle the game at this level. I will honestly be surprised if Allen doesn’t end up with a HOF level career. I’ve never seen a QB who can run over defenders, or simply out run them, and sling the ball 60 yards with the snap of his wrist. He has an errant throw on occasion but his inaccuracy “issues” are definitely blown out of proportion and I honestly bet 10-15% of his incompletions are simply due to bad receievers not being able to handle the heat on his throws. I rarely catch myself thinking “where well was that ball going”. Does he miss throws from time to time? Sure, but so do the best of them. Right now I’ll still say 1.Baker 2.Allen 3.Rosen 4.Jackson 5.Mullens.... doesn’t count so Darnold. Another “great” USC QB. By the end of next year though I can easily see 1 and 2 flipped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, ThunderGun said: He may not be a better pure passer than Mayfield, but moving forward and seeing what I have out of both, I would rather build around Allen than Mayfield. Allen simply has tools that you can’t teach AND the mental aptitude to handle the game at this level. I will honestly be surprised if Allen doesn’t end up with a HOF level career. I’ve never seen a QB who can run over defenders, or simply out run them, and sling the ball 60 yards with the snap of his wrist. He has an errant throw on occasion but his inaccuracy “issues” are definitely blown out of proportion and I honestly bet 10-15% of his incompletions are simply due to bad receievers not being able to handle the heat on his throws. I rarely catch myself thinking “where well was that ball going”. Does he miss throws from time to time? Sure, but so do the best of them. Right now I’ll still say 1.Baker 2.Allen 3.Rosen 4.Jackson 5.Mullens.... doesn’t count so Darnold. Another “great” USC QB. By the end of next year though I can easily see 1 and 2 flipped. Until today i would say Baker 1 but after today Allen is one. i agree about the bad passes EVERY QB has them, the key is overcoming them and with a catch from Clay we would have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I thought this before this weeks game but I think that if you put Mayfield on the Bills with this coaching and OC and line and WR and running game he would not look any better than Josh has, and I like Mayfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Allen primed to start separating himself from the pack. Better jump on this bandwagon while there's still room. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Allen primed to start separating himself from the pack. Better jump on this bandwagon while there's still room. after today l think Allen won over the fan base. There are some delusional nitpickers out there but some people didn't like Kelly either Edited December 3, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: I wouldn't trade Josh for any of them. I wouldn’t either. I’m trying to not be a homer but if we look at it objectively, it comes down to Allen vs Baker. Jackson has actually been impressive, but that Ravens squad is basically us last year with Tyrod. I don’t want that again. Darnold and Rosen have been disappointing. Rosen was supposed to be the lowest ceiling, but highest floor....dude seems to have the lowest ceiling and lowest floor. Darnold has flashed but is a turnover machine with a punchable face. Also no idea why Bowles isn’t playing him....Sam is healthy now. As for Allen vs Baker. Baker was a beast for a few weeks but seems to be regressing against better competition, while Allen has had two monster weeks in a row since coming back from injury. Edited December 3, 2018 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s 3-0 and is further along than Darnold or Rosen. His team has rallied. Regardless of what it means long-term, he has certainly helped his team more than those others. Tim Tebow rallied his team running around a lot too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, SCBills said: I wouldn’t either. I’m trying to not be a homer but if we look at it objectively, it comes down to Allen vs Baker. Jackson has actually been impressive, but that Ravens squad is basically us last year with Tyrod. I don’t want that again. Darnold and Rosen have been disappointing. Rosen was supposed to be the lowest ceiling, but highest floor....dude seems to have the lowest ceiling and lowest floor. Darnold has flashed but is a turnover machine with a punchable face. Also no idea why Bowles isn’t playing him....Sam is healthy now. As for Allen vs Baker. Baker was a beast for a few weeks but seems to be regressing against better competition, while Allen has had two monster weeks in a row since coming back from injury. Baker is still ahead of Allen performance wise a bad game doesn't just reverse where he was last week. I would say Allen is gaining on him if he keeps stringing good performances together he could overtake him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 9 hours ago, KD in CA said: He has? Are you sure it's not just that he plays on a much better team than any of the other guys? His team was 4-5 when he took over. They are 3-0 since. Yes, he’s helped his team more than Rosen or Darnold have helped theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: His team was 4-5 when he took over. They are 3-0 since. Yes, he’s helped his team more than Rosen or Darnold have helped theirs. Put him on our team, Jets, or Browns and he would be 0-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Tim Tebow rallied his team running around a lot too. Yep, and short term he was successful. Even still Tim Tebow completed 46.5% of his passes that year. Jackson is near 60%. We aren’t talking about “what it means moving forward.” The question is “which rookie QBs have played the best?” 7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsMagic1 said: Put him on our team, Jets, or Browns and he would be 0-3 I don’t think so. He came in on a team that was below .500 and hasn’t lost. The Ravens weren’t exactly a good team when he took over. Joe Flacco has them at 4-5. Lamar Jackson has them at 3-0. His playmaking has fit in nicely with that defense. It’s kind of similar to why Tyrod won in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Tim Tebow rallied his team running around a lot too. Didn’t Lamar get concussed yesterday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m higher on Jackson than you. 1. Baker 2. Allen 3. Jackson 4. Rosen 5. Darnold Lamar is doing some nice things- I am interested to see how well he does once teams have plenty of tape on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Bangarang said: Lol Allen better than Baker. Put that pipe down. That hat trick of INT’s by Baker in the first half was impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: That hat trick of INT’s by Baker in the first half was impressive. 2ints and a fumble isn't just as bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Trogdor said: 2ints and a fumble isn't just as bad? Hail Mary int’s are unacceptable ??♂️??♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Bangarang said: No, just no. Still too early for any of them to get a fair grade, especially Darnold. That said, the man crushes on Baker are silly. If Allen threw 9 million pick six against the Texans, everyone in this thread would be ranking him 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Still too early for any of them to get a fair grade, especially Darnold. That said, the man crushes on Baker are silly. If Allen threw 9 million pick six against the Texans, everyone in this thread would be ranking him 5th. I don’t care what people would think about a one game sample size. If you take their entire body of work into account so far, Baker has been the best and it’s not even close. 28 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: That hat trick of INT’s by Baker in the first half was impressive. Not as impressive as you cherry picking to fit your agenda. It’s like some of you are so insecure towards the notion that another team may have a really good young QB too. If Allen’s not the absolute best then that’s blasphemy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I don’t care what people would think about a one game sample size. If you take their entire body of work into account so far, Baker has been the best and it’s not even close. I’d like to see Baker vs the Jags. He was hot garbage vs the Bucs/Texans/Steelers/Chargers. 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: It’s like some of you are so insecure towards the notion that another team may have a really good young QB too. If Allen’s not the absolute best then that’s blasphemy! You see right through my insecurities ???? Youre good Frazier ! I cherry picked 4 more games for you ?? Edited December 3, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: I’d like to see Baker vs the Jags. He was hot garbage vs the Bucs/Texans/Steelers/Chargers. If you say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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