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A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

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A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

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Absolutely not.

 

But if Teller becomes a decent starter, that's one more position that we don't have to address next year.

 

Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap (preferably a bigger, stronger one).

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2 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

  WR, Center, RT, replacement for McCoy, TE.  Plenty of places to upgrade.  Interested to see who they bring in to fill the two open roster spots at present.

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2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Absolutely not.

 

But if Teller becomes a decent starter, that's one more position that we don't have to address next year.

 

Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap, and preferably a bigger, stronger one.

 

Hasn’t Bodine been much better lately?  I also don’t notice Mills much, which is a compliment to an offensive lineman.  He’s gotten better every year 

2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  WR, Center, RT, replacement for McCoy, TE.  Plenty of places to upgrade.  Interested to see who they bring in to fill the two open roster spots at present.

 

I know certain people would role over in their grave, and there doesn’t seem to be a guy in this years draft, but RB has to start becoming a position we look at in early rounds after next year 

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The talent is not top 25 on offense in the NFL.  I will say they have have some complementary pieces now.  Mitchell could fit a Tarik Cohen type role.  Match up nightmare and stretch the defense horizontally.  Foster flashed the ability to stretch the defense deep.  Zay looks like the best underneath Wr.  Benjamin drops big plays every week.  He plays football like he is 6-1.  For his size he is not winning 1 on 1 jump balls.  The offense should be able to move the ball and pick up first downs.  They have no margin for error.  If they catch balls they are ok.  A few drops will kill drives.

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2 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Hasn’t Bodine been much better lately?  I also don’t notice Mills much, which is a compliment to an offensive lineman.  He’s gotten better every year 

 

I know certain people wild role over in their grave, and there doesn’t seem to be a guy in this years draft, but RB has to start becoming a position we look at in early rounds after next year 

  Bodine is better but we need somebody who will be dominant.  Probably just as well we don't see a RB for RD 1 or 2 for next year so as to concentrate on other positions.  Hopefully, McCoy has another year in him so some RB can slowly work in next year.

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1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

WR (x2), Center, RG, RB, TE, RT

 

That's how I'd prioritize it.

 

With how our defense is playing and where everyone is at least holding up, I think our first pick has to be one of the top WR’s this year.  Good news is, we shouldn’t have to trade up.   

 

If foster can do what he did last week, I’m good him in our top 3. We was a steal pick and solid in college.  If the light turned on for him, that’s a big win

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7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

WR (x2), Center, RG, RB, TE, RT

 

That's how I'd prioritize it.

 

I'd switch RB and TE, but other than that I completely agree.

 

We can get by with Mills at RT if the other positions are addressed. We've done it for years now...

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11 minutes ago, MJS said:

Absolutely not.

 

But if Teller becomes a decent starter, that's one more position that we don't have to address next year.

 

Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap (preferably a bigger, stronger one).

You nailed my list, MJS. 

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10 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Hasn’t Bodine been much better lately?  I also don’t notice Mills much, which is a compliment to an offensive lineman.  He’s gotten better every year 

 

Perhaps Bodine has been better, but I still don't think it is good enough. He is one of those below average starters that will always start in this league, but the team has it on their list of to do's to have him replaced when they can find an upgrade.

 

Similar to Mills.

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2 minutes ago, Pablocruise said:

The un-settled QB situation, plus the league's toughest schedule over the first half season

 

We now have the league's easiest schedule the rest of the way, so it should be interesting to see how we perform...

 

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25 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

The Bills beat one of the only teams that are worse than the Bills.

 

They still need

C

G

T

WR 1

WR 3

TE

QB* Jury still out

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

No particular order....

 

OT (Mills is trash), WR, TE (obvious), OC (Bodine has improved, but we could do much better), DT (Kyle Williams replacement), SOLB (LorAx replacement), CB (don’t need one early in draft, IMO), OG (to replace Miller..would like to address this in FA).

I dont think we will get all of this in one offseasn

 

Jordan Mills is a RT starter in this parity league....he is far from our worst problem...if OC and RG were greatly improved this OL would actually be decent.

Harrison Phillips is Meatball's replacement....would not shock me to see Jordan Phillips back either he looks like a keeper

We REALLY need to address TE this offseason....I think Clay is toast

I think Lorax stays...he is still playing well

 

 

In short...I think the D is most set and is playing lights out......we need to hard core press on the offensive side of the ball this offseason......

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I'd try and draft a true #1 WR in the 1st round. Marquise Brown gets my vote. I'd also overpay Matt Paradis to get us a dominant C and keep Bodine as a backup. We also still need a RG and RT, and a consistent slot receiver. And a #1 TE and a RB to eventually replace Shady. So no I wouldn't say our offensive roster is really even close to good yet. We have potentially 5 future starters in Allen, Teller, Zay, Dawkins, and Foster, and most of them aren't proven yet.

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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'd try and draft a true #1 WR in the 1st round. Marquise Brown gets my vote. I'd also overpay Matt Paradis to get us a dominant C and keep Bodine as a backup. We also still need a RG and RT, and a consistent slot receiver. And a #1 TE and am RB to eventually replace Shady. So no I wouldn't say our offensive roster is really even close to good yet.

We need some swag on offense so "Hollywood" Brown is definitely the way to go.

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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'd try and draft a true #1 WR in the 1st round. Marquise Brown gets my vote. I'd also overpay Matt Paradis to get us a dominant C and keep Bodine as a backup. We also still need a RG and RT, and a consistent slot receiver. And a #1 TE and am RB to eventually replace Shady. So no I wouldn't say our offensive roster is really even close to good yet.

I like Brown a lot as a dynamic receiving prospect. But if the Bills were intent on drafting him I wouldn't draft him where our probable first round pick would be. I would trade down and get him and then address some other issues, especially on the OL.  

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6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I dont think we will get all of this in one offseasn

 

Jordan Mills is a RT starter in this parity league....he is far from our worst problem...if OC and RG were greatly improved this OL would actually be decent.

Harrison Phillips is Meatball's replacement....would not shock me to see Jordan Phillips back either he looks like a keeper

We REALLY need to address TE this offseason....I think Clay is toast

I think Lorax stays...he is still playing well

 

 

In short...I think the D is most set and is playing lights out......we need to hard core press on the offensive side of the ball this offseason......

Jordan Phillips has been a very solid pick up.Miami didn't want his cocky attitude..he plays angry football...mean football.IMO...Beane should work on a contract now.

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1 minute ago, JohnC said:

I like Brown a lot as a dynamic receiving prospect. But if the Bills were intent on drafting him I wouldn't draft him where our probable first round pick would be. I would trade down and get him and then address some other issues, especially on the OL.  

 

I agree, I would trade down if we end up in the top 3. But you never know with this team. I could see us ending up 7-9 and drafting 10th in which case I wouldn't get cute and trade down. A true #1 WR is the most important thing we can get right now, and I would argue a #1 TE is not far below that.

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14 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

The Bills beat one of the only teams that are worse than the Bills.

 

They still need

C

G

T

WR 1

WR 3

TE

QB* Jury still out

 

 

Good stuff here Count!  Get a starting C - can be had in Rds 3-4 if we are picking in high part of round.  I would be ok with drafting an OT in Rd 1 and moving Dawkins to RT or G.  He would be a very Athletic G if used properly.  TE and WR are scheme secific pickups and may be wht we are seeing Foster, McCloud and McKenzie getting chance late in year to see what is needed at WR.  

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55 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win.  However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?

 

Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs?  And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense?  Is it QB play?  Did Daboll finally figure it out?  

 

I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.  

 

For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back.  But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.  

 

 

No, and I really hope 1 game doesn't shift any kind of focus with management.

 

The O-line needs at least 3 more legit starters and an effective swing player. Zay still has a ways to go to be considered a possible #2. Either way, we need 2 quality WR's, 1 of them needing to be an elite talent, 1 good TE and another solid TE2/quality backup, and a RB. 

 

I'm also of the philosophy that you should keep drafting QB's to give yourself a shot at landing a diamond in the rough. Allen is obviously talented but he's anything but a given at QB. 

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Not much has changed except the opponent and the QB. Are we good? No, not without more evidence. But at least that was fun to watch, and I rarely zero in on a LG to see what’s happening. Watching Teller was entertaining at times. The guys just looking for someone to bulldoze! 

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8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I agree, I would trade down if we end up in the top 3. But you never know with this team. I could see us ending up 7-9 and drafting 10th in which case I wouldn't get cute and trade down. A true #1 WR is the most important thing we can get right now, and I would argue a #1 TE is not far below that.

Most people are saying this is a DL rich class. Whether we are drafting near the top of the board or 7-12 I see McDermott more inclined to take a defensive lineman. That's where his leanings are. That is not to say that the emphasis for this offseason won't be focused on the offense. The Bills have a full complement of picks and a grand amount of cap space. 

 

My preference would be would be to trade down a little and add another second or third round pick. I would love to get OK's Brown at wideout. He reminds me a little of Antonio Brown because of his dynamism and ability to make big plays. The reason why I believe he would be available with a trade down is because of his small and lean stature. I'm not bothered by his small stature.  He has played in a big program against big time opposition and has demonstrated that he is a playmaker. 

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5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I would love to get OK's Brown at wideout. He reminds me a little of Antonio Brown because of his dynamism and ability to make big plays. The reason why I believe he would be available with a trade down is because of his small and lean stature. I'm not bothered by his small stature.  He has played in a big program against big time opposition and has demonstrated that he is a playmaker. 

 

Yep size doesn't matter as much anymore for receivers. The rule changes have made it much easier to survive an NFL season. 10 years ago Tyreek Hill would have been destroyed but now defenders can't touch him until the ball is in his hands. I see Brown having a similar impact.

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1 hour ago, MJS said:

Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap (preferably a bigger, stronger one).

You're okay with Mills?  How so?  You don't go very far without a really solid OL and ours has been nowhere near that.

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