Virgil Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win. However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink? Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs? And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense? Is it QB play? Did Daboll finally figure it out? I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week. For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back. But I also am aware that it’s only been one week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win. However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink? Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs? And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense? Is it QB play? Did Daboll finally figure it out? I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week. For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back. But I also am aware that it’s only been one week. No! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 QB play is always the number 1 factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said: No! I agree. But what’s your list of offseason prioritiy? Just now, LSHMEAB said: QB play is always the number 1 factor. Also agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) Absolutely not. But if Teller becomes a decent starter, that's one more position that we don't have to address next year. Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap (preferably a bigger, stronger one). Edited November 13, 2018 by MJS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win. However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink? Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs? And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense? Is it QB play? Did Daboll finally figure it out? I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week. For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back. But I also am aware that it’s only been one week. WR, Center, RT, replacement for McCoy, TE. Plenty of places to upgrade. Interested to see who they bring in to fill the two open roster spots at present. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Absolutely not. But if Teller becomes a decent starter, that's one more position that we don't have to address next year. Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap, and preferably a bigger, stronger one. Hasn’t Bodine been much better lately? I also don’t notice Mills much, which is a compliment to an offensive lineman. He’s gotten better every year 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: WR, Center, RT, replacement for McCoy, TE. Plenty of places to upgrade. Interested to see who they bring in to fill the two open roster spots at present. I know certain people would role over in their grave, and there doesn’t seem to be a guy in this years draft, but RB has to start becoming a position we look at in early rounds after next year Edited November 13, 2018 by Virgil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 WR (x2), Center, RG, RB, TE, RT That's how I'd prioritize it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 The talent is not top 25 on offense in the NFL. I will say they have have some complementary pieces now. Mitchell could fit a Tarik Cohen type role. Match up nightmare and stretch the defense horizontally. Foster flashed the ability to stretch the defense deep. Zay looks like the best underneath Wr. Benjamin drops big plays every week. He plays football like he is 6-1. For his size he is not winning 1 on 1 jump balls. The offense should be able to move the ball and pick up first downs. They have no margin for error. If they catch balls they are ok. A few drops will kill drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: Hasn’t Bodine been much better lately? I also don’t notice Mills much, which is a compliment to an offensive lineman. He’s gotten better every year I know certain people wild role over in their grave, and there doesn’t seem to be a guy in this years draft, but RB has to start becoming a position we look at in early rounds after next year Bodine is better but we need somebody who will be dominant. Probably just as well we don't see a RB for RD 1 or 2 for next year so as to concentrate on other positions. Hopefully, McCoy has another year in him so some RB can slowly work in next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: WR (x2), Center, RG, RB, TE, RT That's how I'd prioritize it. With how our defense is playing and where everyone is at least holding up, I think our first pick has to be one of the top WR’s this year. Good news is, we shouldn’t have to trade up. If foster can do what he did last week, I’m good him in our top 3. We was a steal pick and solid in college. If the light turned on for him, that’s a big win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: WR (x2), Center, RG, RB, TE, RT That's how I'd prioritize it. I'd switch RB and TE, but other than that I completely agree. We can get by with Mills at RT if the other positions are addressed. We've done it for years now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, MJS said: Absolutely not. But if Teller becomes a decent starter, that's one more position that we don't have to address next year. Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap (preferably a bigger, stronger one). You nailed my list, MJS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 The un-settled QB situation, plus the league's toughest schedule over the first half season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Virgil said: Hasn’t Bodine been much better lately? I also don’t notice Mills much, which is a compliment to an offensive lineman. He’s gotten better every year Perhaps Bodine has been better, but I still don't think it is good enough. He is one of those below average starters that will always start in this league, but the team has it on their list of to do's to have him replaced when they can find an upgrade. Similar to Mills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pablocruise said: The un-settled QB situation, plus the league's toughest schedule over the first half season We now have the league's easiest schedule the rest of the way, so it should be interesting to see how we perform... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I think what Sunday showed was what the offense COULD look like with improved players Especially on the offensive line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 No particular order.... OT (Mills is trash), WR, TE (obvious), OC (Bodine has improved, but we could do much better), DT (Kyle Williams replacement), SOLB (LorAx replacement), CB (don’t need one early in draft, IMO), OG (to replace Miller..would like to address this in FA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, Virgil said: A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win. However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink? Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs? And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense? Is it QB play? Did Daboll finally figure it out? I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week. For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back. But I also am aware that it’s only been one week. The Bills beat one of the only teams that are worse than the Bills. They still need C G T WR 1 WR 3 TE QB* Jury still out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: No particular order.... OT (Mills is trash), WR, TE (obvious), OC (Bodine has improved, but we could do much better), DT (Kyle Williams replacement), SOLB (LorAx replacement), CB (don’t need one early in draft, IMO), OG (to replace Miller..would like to address this in FA). I dont think we will get all of this in one offseasn Jordan Mills is a RT starter in this parity league....he is far from our worst problem...if OC and RG were greatly improved this OL would actually be decent. Harrison Phillips is Meatball's replacement....would not shock me to see Jordan Phillips back either he looks like a keeper We REALLY need to address TE this offseason....I think Clay is toast I think Lorax stays...he is still playing well In short...I think the D is most set and is playing lights out......we need to hard core press on the offensive side of the ball this offseason...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Good? No. Improving? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) I'd try and draft a true #1 WR in the 1st round. Marquise Brown gets my vote. I'd also overpay Matt Paradis to get us a dominant C and keep Bodine as a backup. We also still need a RG and RT, and a consistent slot receiver. And a #1 TE and a RB to eventually replace Shady. So no I wouldn't say our offensive roster is really even close to good yet. We have potentially 5 future starters in Allen, Teller, Zay, Dawkins, and Foster, and most of them aren't proven yet. Edited November 13, 2018 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Good? No. Improving? Yes. Because of one player..Wyatt Teller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'd try and draft a true #1 WR in the 1st round. Marquise Brown gets my vote. I'd also overpay Matt Paradis to get us a dominant C and keep Bodine as a backup. We also still need a RG and RT, and a consistent slot receiver. And a #1 TE and am RB to eventually replace Shady. So no I wouldn't say our offensive roster is really even close to good yet. We need some swag on offense so "Hollywood" Brown is definitely the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'd try and draft a true #1 WR in the 1st round. 2nd round-Anthony Johnson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'd try and draft a true #1 WR in the 1st round. Marquise Brown gets my vote. I'd also overpay Matt Paradis to get us a dominant C and keep Bodine as a backup. We also still need a RG and RT, and a consistent slot receiver. And a #1 TE and am RB to eventually replace Shady. So no I wouldn't say our offensive roster is really even close to good yet. I like Brown a lot as a dynamic receiving prospect. But if the Bills were intent on drafting him I wouldn't draft him where our probable first round pick would be. I would trade down and get him and then address some other issues, especially on the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I dont think we will get all of this in one offseasn Jordan Mills is a RT starter in this parity league....he is far from our worst problem...if OC and RG were greatly improved this OL would actually be decent. Harrison Phillips is Meatball's replacement....would not shock me to see Jordan Phillips back either he looks like a keeper We REALLY need to address TE this offseason....I think Clay is toast I think Lorax stays...he is still playing well In short...I think the D is most set and is playing lights out......we need to hard core press on the offensive side of the ball this offseason...... Jordan Phillips has been a very solid pick up.Miami didn't want his cocky attitude..he plays angry football...mean football.IMO...Beane should work on a contract now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnC said: I like Brown a lot as a dynamic receiving prospect. But if the Bills were intent on drafting him I wouldn't draft him where our probable first round pick would be. I would trade down and get him and then address some other issues, especially on the OL. I agree, I would trade down if we end up in the top 3. But you never know with this team. I could see us ending up 7-9 and drafting 10th in which case I wouldn't get cute and trade down. A true #1 WR is the most important thing we can get right now, and I would argue a #1 TE is not far below that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: The Bills beat one of the only teams that are worse than the Bills. They still need C G T WR 1 WR 3 TE QB* Jury still out Good stuff here Count! Get a starting C - can be had in Rds 3-4 if we are picking in high part of round. I would be ok with drafting an OT in Rd 1 and moving Dawkins to RT or G. He would be a very Athletic G if used properly. TE and WR are scheme secific pickups and may be wht we are seeing Foster, McCloud and McKenzie getting chance late in year to see what is needed at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 oh my god... 1 game... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Jobot said: oh my god... 1 game... Yep...our offensive unit is now New Orleans or L.A.Rams like..lethal,baby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Virgil said: A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win. However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink? Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs? And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense? Is it QB play? Did Daboll finally figure it out? I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week. For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back. But I also am aware that it’s only been one week. No, and I really hope 1 game doesn't shift any kind of focus with management. The O-line needs at least 3 more legit starters and an effective swing player. Zay still has a ways to go to be considered a possible #2. Either way, we need 2 quality WR's, 1 of them needing to be an elite talent, 1 good TE and another solid TE2/quality backup, and a RB. I'm also of the philosophy that you should keep drafting QB's to give yourself a shot at landing a diamond in the rough. Allen is obviously talented but he's anything but a given at QB. Edited November 13, 2018 by HomeskillitMoorman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Not much has changed except the opponent and the QB. Are we good? No, not without more evidence. But at least that was fun to watch, and I rarely zero in on a LG to see what’s happening. Watching Teller was entertaining at times. The guys just looking for someone to bulldoze! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Not at all- we need alot of pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I agree, I would trade down if we end up in the top 3. But you never know with this team. I could see us ending up 7-9 and drafting 10th in which case I wouldn't get cute and trade down. A true #1 WR is the most important thing we can get right now, and I would argue a #1 TE is not far below that. Most people are saying this is a DL rich class. Whether we are drafting near the top of the board or 7-12 I see McDermott more inclined to take a defensive lineman. That's where his leanings are. That is not to say that the emphasis for this offseason won't be focused on the offense. The Bills have a full complement of picks and a grand amount of cap space. My preference would be would be to trade down a little and add another second or third round pick. I would love to get OK's Brown at wideout. He reminds me a little of Antonio Brown because of his dynamism and ability to make big plays. The reason why I believe he would be available with a trade down is because of his small and lean stature. I'm not bothered by his small stature. He has played in a big program against big time opposition and has demonstrated that he is a playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: I would love to get OK's Brown at wideout. He reminds me a little of Antonio Brown because of his dynamism and ability to make big plays. The reason why I believe he would be available with a trade down is because of his small and lean stature. I'm not bothered by his small stature. He has played in a big program against big time opposition and has demonstrated that he is a playmaker. Yep size doesn't matter as much anymore for receivers. The rule changes have made it much easier to survive an NFL season. 10 years ago Tyreek Hill would have been destroyed but now defenders can't touch him until the ball is in his hands. I see Brown having a similar impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MJS said: Still need a Center and RG. Still need WR talent. Still need a TE that can play without getting hurt every other snap (preferably a bigger, stronger one). You're okay with Mills? How so? You don't go very far without a really solid OL and ours has been nowhere near that. Edited November 13, 2018 by Formerly Allan in MD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I want Ryan Kalil in free agency. In the draft I like Marquise Brown and LJ Scott. I'd keep Matt Barkley around but I'd draft another QB in the mid rounds somewhere. Someone that we can develop and perhaps be a lifesaver to McD if Allen craps out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 They need about another 5 players between OL and WR this off season... A new NO 1 TE.. this is the offseason they cut bait with Clay... Also thinking that they move on from Ivory this year and draft a RB on Day 3 to be the primary back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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