twoandfourteen Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) Last year, I said that the passing offense couldn't get worse than it was under Tyrod. Boy was I wrong. I honestly didn't think it was really possible for a collection of professional coaches & players to perform as poorly on offense as they have this season. Beane & McDermott deserve to be fired at the end of this season. Edited October 21, 2018 by twoandfourteen 12 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 It’s bad. I’m not taking any more time to find a better adjective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skins Malone Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Idk about being fired but this is pretty damn bad. And i like McD. But wtf there is no excuse for an offense to be this bad 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I agree 100%, except that i'm not happy you were wrong. I do not enjoy sucking this bad, believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 We should trade for Tyrod 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 No, this s!#t show deserves MULTIPLE firings....... For real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: I honestly didn't think it was really possible for a collection of professional coaches & players to perform as poorly on offense as they have this season. The Cards, 49rs and the Raiders will give you a run for your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 How in Holy H*ll did the Bills beat the Vikings...and in MN too!? LOL I guess I'll fall back to "On any given Sunday....." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I will agree, the offense was horrible today, but I believe it would absolutely be a mistake to blow up the team. McBeane made the decision to try and find the QB of the future and find some lynchpin pieces to the defense. That decision made it necessary to try and use bandaids to hold the rest of the offense together. Mistake? You can debate that. Maybe Buffalo should have tried to build more of the support pieces into the offense better offensive linemen and receivers, and maybe had a little more youth at RB. I don't think there is a clear answer yet. The jury is still out on Allen. I don't know if signing Derek Anderson will pan out, but I wasn't expecting an awful lot ten days after coming off the golf course. I think maybe the losing is leading to the expectation of losing. That makes it harder to overcome. It is going to continue against New England next Monday night BUT, I think McDermott knows how to coach and get his players to perform. I think Beane will address the offense in a major way in the offseason. I think Josh Allen is going to get a lot better next season. And I think Brian Daboll can be a creative offensive coordinator when he has some talent and experience to work with. Firing the coach in my thinking is a guarantee to continue nearly two decades of futility, and the biggest mistake Terry Pegula could make with this team right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Keep the coaches, bring in talent, and rebuild. Firing anyone will only compound the mistakes made. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Last year, I said that the passing offense couldn't get worse than it was under Tyrod. Boy was I wrong. I honestly didn't think it was really possible for a collection of professional coaches & players to perform as poorly on offense as they have this season. Beane & McDermott deserve to be fired at the end of this season. Yes, the revolving door of coaches is surely the best way to have sustained success. Jesus. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 How much worse is the passing offense? Enough to really feel sorry for being wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Yes, the revolving door of coaches is surely the best way to have sustained success. Jesus. Yes, the Pegulas should ignore the fact this regime has turned the franchise into a national laughingstock and instead stay the course simply because the last owner had a revolving door of coaches 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: Last year, I said that the passing offense couldn't get worse than it was under Tyrod. Boy was I wrong. I honestly didn't think it was really possible for a collection of professional coaches & players to perform as poorly on offense as they have this season. Beane & McDermott deserve to be fired at the end of this season. No... no they dont deserve to be fired the first pair to break the drought ... Jauron , Rex and others got multiple years McDermott and co deserve longer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 It can always be worse and it is by a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, JM57 said: Yes, the Pegulas should ignore the fact this regime has turned the franchise into a national laughingstock and instead stay the course simply because the last owner had a revolving door of coaches Pegula would be on his fourth coach in as many years. McD gets another year, and that's the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosenNOTchosen1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I'm really starting to question if McDermott and Beane are the right guys. I think they need a serious evaluation at the end of the year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) I wasn't wrong about Tyrod. I said he would be on the Browns bench before the end of the season. Edited October 21, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Skins Malone said: Idk about being fired but this is pretty damn bad. And i like McD. But wtf there is no excuse for an offense to be this bad Daboll needs to go, at minimum. He has failed, he is not doing his job, hold him accountable. I'll hold on to the sliver of hope that I have left for McBeane if he's gone tomorrow. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lfod said: I wasn't wrong about Tyrod. I said he would be on the Browns bench before the end of the season. ...yet he would be a MASSIVE upgrade on our team. He was never the problem; he just wasn’t the solution. Anyone that thought otherwise has been humbled (and corrected) this season. 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Pegula would be on his fourth coach in as many years. McD gets another year, and that's the bottom line. Being awful technical there since he didn't hire Marrone, he was inherited, and wasn't fired, but opted out of his contract. But whatever. Let's play this process game for another year and waste more time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said: No, this s!#t show deserves MULTIPLE firings....... For real. The Bills drafted a rookie QB who, was considered by many/most people as the least ready of all of the top prospects. The Bills decided to take on a TON of dead cap space this year, as part of a plan to open up room going forward. As a result of the above point, they are spending at least $30-$40 millon dollars less than most teams this year. I don't know how anyone could expect at most 6-7 wins this year..and 4-5 as more likely....which they are right on pace for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: ...yet he would be a MASSIVE upgrade on our team. He was never the problem; he just wasn’t the solution. Anyone that thought otherwise has been humbled (and corrected) this season. I'm not sure about massive upgrade. He was QB in games the Bills offense got completely shut down. Although I agree that he wasn't the problem and he wouldn't turn the ball over compared to Peterman did or Anderson performance today. I'm thinking the offensive woes go well beyond just a change at QB. The offense was bad coming into the season. It should not be that big of surprise they still are terrible. I feel like it's the same stuff different QB. Edited October 21, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Lfod said: I'm not sure about massive upgrade. He was QB in games the Bills offense got completely shut down. Although I agree that he wasn't the problem and he wouldn't turn the ball over compared to the turn over as much as Peterman did or Anderson did today. I'm thinking the offensive woes go well beyond just a change at QB. Massive upgrade!! We wanted a QB that would “throw it when guys weren’t open.” How is that working out? Tyrod covered the flaws of this offense he didn’t make them worse. He made plays with his legs and took care of the football. When your offense has no talent you need to do those things. I was of the belief (and still am) that it was time to move on. With that being said if you were going to draft the raw prospect you should have had a plan in place. Tyrod is 1,000 times better than these scrubs (not including Allen here). He wasn’t the reason the offense sucked. He was a part of the reason that they were bad instead of “complete dumpster fire.” The grass isn’t always greener... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said: I'm really starting to question if McDermott and Beane are the right guys. I think they need a serious evaluation at the end of the year. How about looking at the reasons why the 2018 Bills are such a poor team. 1. Decision made to sacrifice 2018 to correct the bad contracts that Whaley gave out leaving the Bills no cap money to improve offense and defense. 2. Made decision to give up draft capital to get the QB of the future and the MLB of the future and let both play and develop. 3. Schedule makers did the Bills no favors with 5 of the 1st 7 on the road. Biggest mistake was not bringing in experienced QB earlier like Anderson to mentor Allen. Let the season play out, I expect to finish 5-11, draft in the top 8. Use money available in free agency to upgrade WR and OL. Then use all 10 picks to upgrade the roster. Need OT, WR, OG, TE, C, CB, outside LB and RB. Hope to see Teller and Botteger get some snaps in 2nd half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, JM57 said: Being awful technical there since he didn't hire Marrone, he was inherited, and wasn't fired, but opted out of his contract. But whatever. Let's play this process game for another year and waste more time No reason they shouldn't if we gave Jauron 4 years, Browns still have Hue, Rams kept Fisher, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: No reason they shouldn't if we gave Jauron 4 years, Browns still have Hue, Rams kept Fisher, etc. So because other teams and other owners made mistakes, they should make those same mistakes? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: I will agree, the offense was horrible today, but I believe it would absolutely be a mistake to blow up the team. McBeane made the decision to try and find the QB of the future and find some lynchpin pieces to the defense. That decision made it necessary to try and use bandaids to hold the rest of the offense together. Mistake? You can debate that. Maybe Buffalo should have tried to build more of the support pieces into the offense better offensive linemen and receivers, and maybe had a little more youth at RB. I don't think there is a clear answer yet. The jury is still out on Allen. I don't know if signing Derek Anderson will pan out, but I wasn't expecting an awful lot ten days after coming off the golf course. I think maybe the losing is leading to the expectation of losing. That makes it harder to overcome. It is going to continue against New England next Monday night BUT, I think McDermott knows how to coach and get his players to perform. I think Beane will address the offense in a major way in the offseason. I think Josh Allen is going to get a lot better next season. And I think Brian Daboll can be a creative offensive coordinator when he has some talent and experience to work with. Firing the coach in my thinking is a guarantee to continue nearly two decades of futility, and the biggest mistake Terry Pegula could make with this team right now. A mistake to blow up the team? You heard a Big Bang and find yourself standing in rubble and think the explosion didn’t happen yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, ClemsonBills said: It’s bad. I’m not taking any more time to find a better adjective. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I never understood the “anyone but tyrod” argument . Sure tyrod wasn’t good enough and you need to upgrade. But you can get A LOT worse than tyrod and we are seeing it first hand this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Massive upgrade!! We wanted a QB that would “throw it when guys weren’t open.” How is that working out? Tyrod covered the flaws of this offense he didn’t make them worse. He made plays with his legs and took care of the football. When your offense has no talent you need to do those things. I was of the belief (and still am) that it was time to move on. With that being said if you were going to draft the raw prospect you should have had a plan in place. Tyrod is 1,000 times better than these scrubs (not including Allen here). He wasn’t the reason the offense sucked. He was a part of the reason that they were bad instead of “complete dumpster fire.” The grass isn’t always greener... Agreed 100% he wasn’t the answer and we got blown out plenty with him but here we are with 10m in dead money at qb between he and McCarron and a depth chart of Anderson-peterman It’s a not really acknowledged byproduct of the peterman debacle. The benching surely soured the relationship and helped create this situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Anybody who has watched this team longer than 3-4 years should have known it could get MUCH worse. EJ Manuel Trent Edwards JP Losman Rob Johnson Todd Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 It's unfortunate Tyrod got worse every single season of his starting career, including this season where he played worse than ever. If he's here we probably win last week but that's the only difference. The pick we got for him was much more valuable than anything he could have contributed this year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 The offense sucked with Tyrod. The offense sucked with Peterman. The offensive sucked with Allen. The offense sucked with Anderson. Maybe, just maybe, QB isn't the only/biggest concern with the offense. Tyrod is Tyrod. He got benched in Cleveland for playing just like he did in Buffalo. Nobody here that wanted Tyrod gone is eating crow. The mistake wasn't getting rid of Tyrod, it was in not bringing in a FA to start and mentor Allen. That's where the fault lies, at least at the QB position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, JM57 said: So because other teams and other owners made mistakes, they should make those same mistakes? Come on. They got their time. McD took this dumpster fire to the playoffs for the first time in 18 years. Yes, Dalton finished the job, but McD had to rally the team to get in that position in the first place. He repaired Rex's broken defense. He gets another year for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) Tyrod sucked with a good Oline in front of him and still managed to lead the league in sacks. How would Tyrod perform with this running game and Oline? I will much rather take my lumps and watch Allen develop over watching TT anyday. Edited October 21, 2018 by Real McCoy 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Does anyone really think TT's stats would be better or the even the same with this years offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: They got their time. McD took this dumpster fire to the playoffs for the first time in 18 years. Yes, Dalton finished the job, but McD had to rally the team to get in that position in the first place. He repaired Rex's broken defense. He gets another year for me. So because he took a bad defense and made it good (sometimes) he gets to stay? What about taking an offense that was #1 rushing and relatively competent and turning it into a complete and utter dumpster fire? For every good thing he has done on defense, he has done something negative to the offense. Honeymoon is over. Coach sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 53 minutes ago, Bfanlc said: Keep the coaches, bring in talent, and rebuild. Firing anyone will only compound the mistakes made. No. Their abject mismanagement of the offense and specifically the QB position is borderline negligence (hyperbole on my part) & warrants dismissal (not hyperbole). The fact that they have an unplayable option as the #2 QB still on the roster warrants dismissal. This is all about trends -- and nothing on this team's offense is trending in the right direction. These guys haven't done one thing in the last year & a half to demonstrate that they have any grasp whatsoever about how to build/develop an offense in the modern NFL. When it comes time to interview candidates, any coach or GM who comes in and mentions "ball control" or "field position" should be immediately escorted from the premises by security. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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