Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Does anyone really think TT's stats would be better or the even the same with this years offense? The offense would have been better with Tyrod than anyone that we have played. I don’t have any doubt about that. He doesn’t make mistakes. I was fine moving on but to act like he is the same type of QB as Anderson or Peterman is ludicrous. Tyrod is a top 30ish qb that doesn’t turn it over. Those other 2 aren’t top 100 QBs. The Bills would have 1 more win (last week) with that level of play. Edited October 21, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I was fully prepared for a season like this when Tyrod was traded He was not the answer so it needed to happen......but he covered up a lot of problems on this team....no those problems are front and center to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just because we don't have any QBs that can throw for 200 yards doesn't mean we should be missing Tyrod. Expect more from your team. 300 yards passing is a pretty average game for a good QB in today's NFL. 100 is not acceptable. Has nothing to do with the receivers. We blamed it on the receivers before and now they are all over the league doing well. Benjamin will go somewhere and have 800-1000 yards receiving next year. Until we have a modern passing attack we will be a bottom feeding team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said: Just because we don't have any QBs that can throw for 200 yards doesn't mean we should be missing Tyrod. Expect more from your team. 300 yards passing is a pretty average game for a good QB in today's NFL. 100 is not acceptable. Has nothing to do with the receivers. We blamed it on the receivers before and now they are all over the league doing well. Benjamin will go somewhere and have 800-1000 yards receiving next year. Until we have a modern passing attack we will be a bottom feeding team Passing yards are irrelevant. 3rd down conversions, yards per attempt, Red zone percentage and TD:INT tell the real story. Edited October 21, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The offense would have been better with Tyrod than anyone that we have played. I don’t have any doubt about that. He doesn’t make mistakes. I was fine moving on but to act like he is the same type of QB as Anderson or Peterman is ludicrous. Tyrod is a top 30ish qb that doesn’t turn it over. Those other 2 aren’t top 100 QBs. The Bills would have 1 more win (last week) with that level of play. I know everyone on the board is a little testy lately but what I said was about TT's stats last year to this year. I think even his numbers would be worse this year. That's all I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I know everyone on the board is a little testy lately but what I said was about TT's stats last year to this year. I think even his numbers would be worse this year. That's all I said. Behind this O-line with Daboll's play calling I agree with you 100%. I could see the thread if TT was the starter for the Browns balling out. It took their coaching staff 3 games to figure it out compared to our 3 years which is what hurts the most. Edited October 21, 2018 by Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Tyrod and this offense with Anthony Lynn was awesome. Tyrod under McD was bad. And now we’re at a different level of bad - historically bad. As bad as the offense was with Tyrod last year he didnt turn the ball over which kept us in games somewhat. We must be averaging 2-3 turnovers every week on offense. Its a disaster. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Does anyone really think TT's stats would be better or the even the same with this years offense? Listen, the Ty-Gun Offense was BAD. It was non-existent at times and definitely lost the Bills games. Amazingly, they have done what I thought was impossible: The 2018 Offense is even worse. McD & B found a whole new level of inept performance that is so terrible that I am at a total loss for a word that adequately conveys just how bad it really is. They have a roster spot filled by a player who is so detrimental to the team that he can't be put on the field. This is at the most important position in pro sports, by the way. As for TT -- his stats would probably be exactly what they've always been. Most days under 200 yards and maybe a TD. But at least he's a professional-caliber QB that belongs on an NFL roster. The Bills do not have a player at the QB position right now that fully fits that description. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Tyrod sucked with a good Oline in front of him and still managed to lead the league in sacks. How would Tyrod perform with this running game and Oline? I will much rather take my lumps and watch Allen develop over watching TT anyday. We’d be O for with tt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I know everyone on the board is a little testy lately but what I said was about TT's stats last year to this year. I think even his numbers would be worse this year. That's all I said. Oh, my bad!! Yeah, they wouldn’t have been good. The OL is worse. I’m of the belief that Daboll is better than Rico (although that’s not an endorsement). The offense would have looked a lot like last year (which is why I was fine moving on). We would be 3-4 now with Tyrod. The game or two at the end of the year wasn’t worth it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said: Listen, the Ty-Gun Offense was BAD. It was non-existent at times and definitely lost the Bills games. Amazingly, they have done what I thought was impossible: The 2018 Offense is even worse. McD & B found a whole new level of inept performance that is so terrible that I am at a total loss for a word that adequately conveys just how bad it really is. They have a roster spot filled by a player who is so detrimental to the team that he can't be put on the field. This is at the most important position in pro sports, by the way. As for TT -- his stats would probably be exactly what they've always been. Most days under 200 yards and maybe a TD. But at least he's a professional-caliber QB that belongs on an NFL roster. The Bills do not have a player at the QB position right now that fully fits that description. My god, can't people read anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Oh, my bad!! Yeah, they wouldn’t have been good. The OL is worse. I’m of the belief that Daboll is better than Rico (although that’s not an endorsement). The offense would have looked a lot like last year (which is why I was fine moving on). We would be 3-4 now with Tyrod. The game or two at the end of the year wasn’t worth it. TT's 19 yards per half wouldn't have won us a single game this year. Kid stinks. Give me DA and the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh, my bad!! Yeah, they wouldn’t have been good. The OL is worse. I’m of the belief that Daboll is better than Rico (although that’s not an endorsement). The offense would have looked a lot like last year (which is why I was fine moving on). We would be 3-4 now with Tyrod. The game or two at the end of the year wasn’t worth it. No problem Kirby. I knew this years offense was going to be really bad. They have proved to be even worse that I expected. TT would in all probability get this team a few more wins. The QB plan "they" had surely did not work out. Just got to hope JA can improve. Going to be a looooooooooooooooooooooooong year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 This offense may be worse without Tyrod, but there's not a single game I've watched this year where I've thought "gee I wish we still had Tyrod". I'm glad he is gone. He isn't a franchise qb. Yes we're terrible. But I'll take my chances with Allen over the next few years vs keeping Tyrod. He's awful 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: TT's 19 yards per half wouldn't have won us a single game this year. Kid stinks. Give me DA and the pick. You are overlooking a very important part of the discussion, Bills QBs have thrown for 3 TDs and 12 INTs. That’s how you lose. We wouldn’t have won shootouts but could have consistently scored 20 points a week. Passing yards are irrelevant, points matter. Turnovers matter. We’d be (at least) 3-4 with a win last week (we also win that game if Allen doesn’t go out). Again, though you got rid of Tyrod because you don’t care to be between 7-9 and 9-7. We all needed to accept that. The Bills did what they thought that they needed to in order to become an 11-5 team in the next couple of years. We will see how it plays out. Edited October 21, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Hey, I have this from a very valid source. Hot off the press. Don't tell anyone because apparently many posters here haven't heard this news. We're REBUILDING!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Yes, the revolving door of coaches is surely the best way to have sustained success. Jesus. You should look up the following words in the dictionary: 1. Sustained 2. Success Keeping coaches who fail is likely to lead to sustained failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Hey, I have this from a very valid source. Hot off the press. Don't tell anyone because apparently many posters here haven't heard this news. We're REBUILDING!!! I’m fine with rebuilding but who are the players on offense that are a part of the future? Allen and Dawkins are. Maybe Zay is a 3rd receiver. That’s my issue. If they were a collection of young, talented guys I’d be fine. They aren’t. You don’t rebuild needing as many guys as the Bills need on offense. They have left little margin for error on FA and the draft. The Bills need to be right about virtually all of their additions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Steptide said: This offense may be worse without Tyrod, but there's not a single game I've watched this year where I've thought "gee I wish we still had Tyrod". I'm glad he is gone. He isn't a franchise qb. Yes we're terrible. But I'll take my chances with Allen over the next few years vs keeping Tyrod. He's awful Oh -- I don't want him back either. No thank you. I couldn't stand the thought of watching him take another snap for the Bills. I'm just saying I was wrong about saying it was impossible for them to be any worse than they were last year. The two active QBs that dressed today don't belong on an NFL roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Realistically we probably have one more win with Tyrod and probably the same if Allen finishes the Texan game. But we'd have a big cap hit mediocre qb on the payroll They did the right thing just did it half hearted 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, DuckyBoys said: Realistically we probably have one more win with Tyrod and probably the same if Allen finishes the Texan game. But we'd have a big cap hit mediocre qb on the payroll They did the right thing just did it half hearted Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Behind this O-line with Daboll's play calling I agree with you 100%. I could see the thread if TT was the starter for the Browns balling out. It took their coaching staff 3 games to figure it out compared to our 3 years which is what hurts the most. This week is tough for all Bills fans or should I say all real Bills fans. It pretty much seals a losing season which is what most of us thought it was going to be. Having reality come and bite us like it did today has everyone pissed. I am too. Monday has the makings of another national embarrassment. But they still got to play the game. This board is going to get pretty brutal in the next couple of weeks.............to say the least. The "should of, could of, would of" along with "fire/cut/trade ___________" threads will be too much for me. LOL It's a beautiful sunny Colorado afternoon, I'm going for a walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: No. Their abject mismanagement of the offense and specifically the QB position is borderline negligence (hyperbole on my part) & warrants dismissal (not hyperbole). The fact that they have an unplayable option as the #2 QB still on the roster warrants dismissal. This is all about trends -- and nothing on this team's offense is trending in the right direction. These guys haven't done one thing in the last year & a half to demonstrate that they have any grasp whatsoever about how to build/develop an offense in the modern NFL. When it comes time to interview candidates, any coach or GM who comes in and mentions "ball control" or "field position" should be immediately escorted from the premises by security. I don't necessarily disagree with you. They've made some serious almost fireable mistakes. I give them this year and next. If I don't see something that can be deemed progressive/pulling this team together then I'd fire them. Right now they have totally clustered this team up. The sole reason this team is a mess is because of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: This week is tough for all Bills fans or should I say all real Bills fans. It pretty much seals a losing season which is what most of us thought it was going to be. Having reality come and bite us like it did today has everyone pissed. I am too. Monday has the makings of another national embarrassment. But they still got to play the game. This board is going to get pretty brutal in the next couple of weeks.............to say the least. The "should of, could of, would of" along with "fire/cut/trade ___________" threads will be too much for me. LOL It's a beautiful sunny Colorado afternoon, I'm going for a walk. Next week is going to be brutal around here after the Pats game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, John in Jax said: How in Holy H*ll did the Bills beat the Vikings...and in MN too!? LOL I guess I'll fall back to "On any given Sunday....." Get Pacino to fight for that inch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Yes, the revolving door of coaches is surely the best way to have sustained success. Jesus. So keep them so you can have sustained failure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It can always be worse and it is by a lot! That's not true. Certainly it can't be any worse than it is right now! Surely this is the bottom, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 41 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m fine with rebuilding but who are the players on offense that are a part of the future? Allen and Dawkins are. Maybe Zay is a 3rd receiver. That’s my issue. If they were a collection of young, talented guys I’d be fine. They aren’t. You don’t rebuild needing as many guys as the Bills need on offense. They have left little margin for error on FA and the draft. The Bills need to be right about virtually all of their additions. That makes me think they want young guys and vets OR this rebuild is still a few years away, like 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Even as somewhat of a Tyrod supporter, I'd still make the trade that they did. The first pick in the 3rd round for Tyrod was a great deal. Having said that, as I said throughout the offseason, it was clearly going to be a step back at the QB position this year. It was pretty much guaranteed that Peterman would be a downgrade from Tyrod; and both Allen and McCarron were almost certainly going to be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Yes, the revolving door of coaches is surely the best way to have sustained success. Jesus. Probably the same people posting in the other thread questioning why coaches bring in new players to fit their scheme too and not understanding why! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Did you see McD's stupid face the whole game? I swear he was about to cry. I wish he had. Him and Beane can beat it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: ...yet he would be a MASSIVE upgrade on our team. He was never the problem; he just wasn’t the solution. Anyone that thought otherwise has been humbled (and corrected) this season. Wrong, Don’t let one Derek Anderson game cloud your judgement. Taylor is still hot garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Finally!! After 272 days laying awake at night wondering will he or wont he, i can FINALLY go to sleep knowing it was FINALLY owned up to!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Even as somewhat of a Tyrod supporter, I'd still make the trade that they did. The first pick in the 3rd round for Tyrod was a great deal. Having said that, as I said throughout the offseason, it was clearly going to be a step back at the QB position this year. It was pretty much guaranteed that Peterman would be a downgrade from Tyrod; and both Allen and McCarron were almost certainly going to be worse. DOWNGRADE? You are now getting a sense of what a non NFL QB really looks like. It aint TT. I just know he was the QB of a 9-7 team that went to the playoffs. How's this crap panning out. 29 minutes ago, ngbills said: So keep them so you can have sustained failure It's surreal people still defend them and their dumb move to move a QB that was average for these clowns. I cant wait for them to get fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 The Bills are in full-blown rebuilding mode. This is what that looks like. Tyrod wouldn't have a winning record with this team this year. The Bills were very fortunate last year to win 9 games, over achieved. The roster will look very different 1 and 2 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: I never understood the “anyone but tyrod” argument . Sure tyrod wasn’t good enough and you need to upgrade. But you can get A LOT worse than tyrod and we are seeing it first hand this year The guy was benched after 3 games. What are you people on ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said: Realistically we probably have one more win with Tyrod and probably the same if Allen finishes the Texan game. But we'd have a big cap hit mediocre qb on the payroll They did the right thing just did it half hearted Realistically you have no clue what would have happened with TT at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Even as somewhat of a Tyrod supporter, I'd still make the trade that they did. The first pick in the 3rd round for Tyrod was a great deal. Having said that, as I said throughout the offseason, it was clearly going to be a step back at the QB position this year. It was pretty much guaranteed that Peterman would be a downgrade from Tyrod; and both Allen and McCarron were almost certainly going to be worse. Right -- which is why Beane & McD should probably have one foot out the door right now. You can't mangle the QB position as badly as these two have & stay employed as a head coach & GM. Nothing else matters until you get that position stabilized. Let them go and try again until someone figures out how to get a productive starter under center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: The guy was benched after 3 games. What are you people on ? 9-7. Playoffs. Or was that someone else? 2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: The Bills are in full-blown rebuilding mode. This is what that looks like. Tyrod wouldn't have a winning record with this team this year. The Bills were very fortunate last year to win 9 games, over achieved. The roster will look very different 1 and 2 years from now. Rebuild. LOL. More like no QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, nedboy7 said: 9-7. Playoffs. Or was that someone else? Hate to break it to you, but if you think Tyrod was single-handedly responsible for them making the playoffs, you're delusional. The Bills made it in spite of Tyrod, not because of. I offer the JAX playoff game as evidence. Also, Tyrod was out the Indy game and played the JAX game, so the Bills' record with him was 8-8. Baseline, just like him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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