Peter King with Murph & Tasker Today: Bills' QB Situation is Lunacy

[Fadingpain]

"To trade your only slightly proven guy was a mistake and clearly if you look at this situation logically you would say that it's absolute lunacy that it's likely or even possible that in Week 7 of the NFL season, the starting QB for the rest of the season could be a guy they picked up off the street.  It's been a mismanaged position."

 

"This has turned into a disaster at the most important position in team sports."

 

From Hour 3 of One Bills Live today.

Starts 2 minutes into the hour.

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/10-16-hr-3-one-bills-live

Edited October 16, 2018 by Fadingpain

[unclepete]

Any rational person would agree. Except they should have picked up Bridgewater or Derek Anderson in the offseason instead of McCarron.

[Wayne Arnold]

Does this mean McBeane are on the hot seat?

[MAJBobby]

Thank you Peter King. 

 

McD and Company seat should be getting warmer 

[oldmanfan]

Trading McCarron not a big deal to me.  I thought he'd be the guy but showed nothing in preseason.  But you can rightfully criticize for not getting the veteran backup in earlier.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Trading McCarron not a big deal to me.  I thought he'd be the guy but showed nothing in preseason.  But you can rightfully criticize for not getting the veteran backup in earlier.

 

Can also rightfully Criticize going McCarron in offseason to begin with knowing you are about to draft a rookie. So your idea before draft is to put 2 5th round picks with a total what 5 games experience combined 

[uticaclub]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Does this mean McBeane are on the hot seat?

Andy Dalton is keeping the heat off....for now

[Saint Doug]

I can’t blame the FO for what has transpired. It was fairly clear in preseason that it Peterson won the job. And Allen was also playing very well for a rookie. McCarron was the worse QB on the roster. What the FO didn’t know, and what was their job to know, was that Peterman would completely destruct during the season. Allen is playing pretty much as expected. As for signing Anderson, looks like they had little other choice. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, unclepete said:

Any rational person would agree. Except they should have picked up Bridgewater or Derek Anderson in the offseason instead of McCarron.

Exactly, he could have tendered some kind of a deal for Bridgewater or just pick up Anderson Week 1. When it comes to the quarterback position Sean and Brandon are struggling on an epic level. We're starting to see Jauron comparisons everywhere. They may run a great defense but they have no clue how to run offense and hiring Daboll was probably a mistake. If McDuffus trots out Peterpan at Indy, I guarantee you he will lose this locker room.  And all the clapping in the world won't be able to save him.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Can also rightfully Criticize going McCarron in offseason to begin with knowing you are about to draft a rookie. So your idea before draft is to put 2 5th round picks with a total what 5 games experience combined 

Who would you have brought in?  Bradford?  Hah!  The FA available QBs were all about the same.  And knowing they were going to draft a young guy no way they were going to spend huge dollars on someone like a Keenum.

[JoPar_v2]

King’s absolutely right and our media should be pressing Beane and McDermott for more detailed answers. I am sick of hearing Sean say nothing but “I have to watch the tape.”

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Who would you have brought in?  Bradford?  Hah!  The FA available QBs were all about the same.  And knowing they were going to draft a young guy no way they were going to spend huge dollars on someone like a Keenum.

Sorry that’s bull. They weren’t all “about the same” unless you’re really stretching the meaning of “about.”

 

stop defending this.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, Saint Doug said:

I can’t blame the FO for what has transpired. It was fairly clear in preseason that it Peterson won the job. And Allen was also playing very well for a rookie. McCarron was the worse QB on the roster. What the FO didn’t know, and what was their job to know, was that Peterman would completely destruct during the season. Allen is playing pretty much as expected. As for signing Anderson, looks like they had little other choice. 

Peterman had 2 very good preseasons. I can also hit a great bucket of balls, but once I get out on the course it gets ugly...its simple he doesn't have the arm strength to throw an NFL out. That alone should disqualify him from ever stepping on an NFL field.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

King’s absolutely right and our media should be pressing Beane and McDermott for more detailed answers. I am sick of hearing Sean say nothing but “I have to watch the tape.”

Sorry that’s bull. They weren’t all “about the same” unless you’re really stretching the meaning of “about.”

 

stop defending this.

Ok.  They weren't going to spend a fortune in a guy knowing they were drafting a guy.  So then you look at veterans like Anderson, McCarron, etc., etc.  and I'm not defending it; I said above they should have brought another vet in earlier when they traded McCarron.  

 

So  two questions for you:

 

1.  Who was the standout(s) making them not all the same?

 

2.  Have you learned to read?

 

 

[Hebert19]

Options were limited in a rebuild team.  McCarron just should never have been traded.  Everyone outside of buffalo already knew peterman was terrible.  Mcbeane and the homers are only ones to say this made any sense.  

 

Keep McCarron and trade peterman for a bag of balls and we are 3 and 3 right now. 

[jkirchofer]

7 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

I can’t blame the FO for what has transpired. It was fairly clear in preseason that it Peterson won the job. And Allen was also playing very well for a rookie. McCarron was the worse QB on the roster. What the FO didn’t know, and what was their job to know, was that Peterman would completely destruct during the season. Allen is playing pretty much as expected. As for signing Anderson, looks like they had little other choice. 

With the total inexperience of Peterman and Allen, they should have carried three quarterbacks. If they truly wanted Allen to sit, they should have carried three quarterbacks.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Options were limited in a rebuild team.  McCarron just should never have been traded.  Everyone outside of buffalo already knew peterman was terrible.  Mcbeane and the homers are only ones to say this made any sense.  

 

Keep McCarron and trade peterman for a bag of balls and we are 3 and 3 right now. 

But Peterman was clearly better than McCarron in preseason.  The mystery is why Peterman throws up on himself

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

I can’t blame the FO for what has transpired. It was fairly clear in preseason that it Peterson won the job. And Allen was also playing very well for a rookie. McCarron was the worse QB on the roster. What the FO didn’t know, and what was their job to know, was that Peterman would completely destruct during the season. Allen is playing pretty much as expected. As for signing Anderson, looks like they had little other choice. 

 

I didn't want him on the team at all in 2018.

I wanted McCarron (I will admit) and a Bridgewater or any serviceable backup (Glennon etc).

 

I still don't want NP and would take Paxton Lynch or Landry Jones today, and I do mean today.

[Hurricane]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

But Peterman was clearly better than McCarron in preseason.  The mystery is why Peterman throws up on himself

Because hes a 5th round pick that doesnt belong in the NFL and probably would of been cut already of he was on another team..

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Hurricane said:

Because hes a 5th round pick that doesnt belong in the NFL and probably would of been cut already of he was on another team..

Yeah but he consistently did well in preseason and earned a spot.  Then he just does what he does in games.  Just a mystery to me.

[stony]

15 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

I can’t blame the FO for what has transpired. It was fairly clear in preseason that it Peterson won the job. And Allen was also playing very well for a rookie. McCarron was the worse QB on the roster. What the FO didn’t know, and what was their job to know, was that Peterman would completely destruct during the season. Allen is playing pretty much as expected. As for signing Anderson, looks like they had little other choice. 

It's not like they didn't have any film on him or anything. 

[Hurricane]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Yeah but he consistently did well in preseason and earned a spot.  Then he just does what he does in games.  Just a mystery to me.

A lot of qbs do... When the time is real, some aren't made for it .

[Bangarang]

Someone needs to explain The Process to Peter.

[JoPar_v2]

10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Ok.  They weren't going to spend a fortune in a guy knowing they were drafting a guy.  So then you look at veterans like Anderson, McCarron, etc., etc.  and I'm not defending it; I said above they should have brought another vet in earlier when they traded McCarron.  

 

So  two questions for you:

 

1.  Who was the standout(s) making them not all the same?

 

2.  Have you learned to read?

 

 

I can read just fine. In fact I read your post twice and it didn’t make any more sense the 2nd time. Head in the sand. 

[Rico]

21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Can also rightfully Criticize going McCarron in offseason to begin with knowing you are about to draft a rookie. So your idea before draft is to put 2 5th round picks with a total what 5 games experience combined 

Should've just found a way to keep TT.

[Livinginthepast]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yeah but he consistently did well in preseason and earned a spot.  Then he just does what he does in games.  Just a mystery to me.

The easy answer is that the preseason has become entirely irrelevant as a means of evaluating talent.  Teams are now benching their starters for whole games or not even dressing them at all. Peterman does great when he is picking apart rookie defenses or practice squad defenses. Not so much vs savvy vets in real games.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

I can read just fine. In fact I read your post twice and it didn’t make any more sense the 2nd time. Head in the sand. 

You say the FA QBs weren't the same.  Fine.  Who would you have signed, knowing you weren't in the market for the high priced guys since you were drafting a guy?

 

Yiu made the claim they weren't all the same.  Back it up.

1 minute ago, Livinginthepast said:

The easy answer is that the preseason has become entirely irrelevant as a means of evaluating talent.  Teams are now benching their starters for whole games or not even dressing them at all. Peterman does great when he is picking apart rookie defenses or practice squad defenses. Not so much vs savvy vets in real games.

Guess so.  

[macaroni]

I may be the only one alive that thinks the QB situation was handled as it should have been (with the exception that I think they should have brought in a "grey beard" QB to mentor Josh/Nate when they traded McCarron).

 

Nates performance during OTAs, Training camp, and the preseason clearly won him the starting QB job. The aforementioned performance led everyone who gave an honest assessment to conclude his start against the Chargers was an aberration and not the norm.

 

Allen is the new shiny toy who's staying no matter what.

 

McCarron's unfortunate injury, and substandard on field performance led him to be expendable.

 

Nates season opening start showed us that he is broken somehow and last years Charger start was the norm … he's great in practice … he stinks at game time (a fact further reinforced last week).

 

Our "mentor" can't be expected to play only being on the team a few days …. so here we are.

[Fadingpain]

11 minutes ago, Hurricane said:

Because hes a 5th round pick that doesnt belong in the NFL and probably would of been cut already of he was on another team..

There is no chance--none--of Nate Peterman earning a roster spot on any team in the NFL based on what he has done in games to date.  None!

 

Here, he is the backup and maybe starter for a while, unless we go with Anderson, and I believe he's 67 years old.

 

 

[MAJBobby]

22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Who would you have brought in?  Bradford?  Hah!  The FA available QBs were all about the same.  And knowing they were going to draft a young guy no way they were going to spend huge dollars on someone like a Keenum.

 

Bridgewater - Vet, played well in this league, had alot of starts. 

 

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

Should've just found a way to keep TT.

 

I actually would have been ok with that now in Hindsight of how they poorly managed this position group

[hondo in seattle]

Beane had rational reasons to make each of the decisions that he made.  But with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, we can see that Peter King is right.  The QB position - in its entirety - was mismanaged.  Given where we're at now, you can't argue the point.

 

Here we are with our only healthy QBs being Nate Peterman and his sub-30 career passer rating, and mediocre journeyman, Derek Anderson, who's barely had a week to learn the offense.     

Feels a bit like '68 when the awesome trio of Dan Darragh, Ed Rutkowski and Kay Stepenson were in the QB room and each of them had starts.    

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Bridgewater - Vet, played well in this league, had alot of starts. 

 

Not a FA.  Would have been an in division trade, and would the Jets have done that?

[zow2]

McBeane believed in preseason results. They shoulda had more sense than that. In hindsight it is lunacy to keep Peterman as #1 when you have no clue if he can play under real game pressure (he failed miserably in his one road start, did ok in half a snow game).  And they go with Allen at#2  when he also had no experience in real game action. When defenses actually game plan.  

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Not a FA.  Would have been an in division trade, and would the Jets have done that?

 

He was a FA. He signed a 1 year 6M dollar deal with NYJ this offseason. Want to try again?

 

Chad Henne another one 

Matt Moore another one 

Hell Derek Anderson in Feb would have been better than Mid October 

 

 

but the Peterman Love from this Organization stopped getting anyone with real game experience under their belt in Buffalo BEFORE drafting the One QB that was always going to need time 

Edited October 16, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Helpmenow]

35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Thank you Peter King. 

 

McD and Company seat should be getting warmer 

Trust them not anymore 

35 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Trading McCarron not a big deal to me.  I thought he'd be the guy but showed nothing in preseason.  But you can rightfully criticize for not getting the veteran backup in earlier.

And peterman did, see the results now.

[All_Pro_Bills]

Bills QB situation = dumpster fire.  Of concern is that most of the posters here recognized the shortcomings with managements approach prior to the season.  Something seems to be blinding their judgement.  Whatever it is they need to adjust their thought process quickly.

[Prickly Pete]

Steve Tasker was one of Petermans BIG supporters.

 

 

I can't stand listening to him anymore. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

A normal team coming off a playoff season would have kept Taylor, drafted Allen, and cut Peterman.  But that is not very Billsy, 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He was a FA. He signed a 1 year 6M dollar deal with NYJ this offseason. Want to try again?

 

Chad Henne another one 

Matt Moore another one 

Hell Derek Anderson in Feb would have been better than Mid October 

And thus my statements above.  They can be rightfully criticized for not bringing in a vet like these guys when they traded McCarron but none of these guys really stands out over the other.

[Rico]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

 

 

I actually would have been ok with that now in Hindsight of how they poorly managed this position group

Not as bad as EJ & Tuel , but not good. I blame Peterman.

[Mojo44]

Maybe they can “undo” the AJ trade and get him back.  Then cut Peterman. I would be all for that. Seriously