Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: The New York media has been up Mannings ass this season. They beefed up the O-line, added the top RB prospect, and they already had a quality pass catchers in Sheppard, Engram, and Odell, yet it is the offense that struggles (Their defense isn't the best but it is far from trash and with a good offense they should be able to compete with a average but certainly not bad defense.) No one is giving Eli a pass. Stop projecting your concerns about Allen onto a QB who is getting a lot of heat. I somehow don't think it was the Giant's offense that gave up 27 points to the Iggles tonight. 7 points, yes. 34 points total, no Eli got sacked 4x and hit a humondulous amount. The beef job on the O-line was insufficient it seems. I believe it was Terry Bradshaw who famously said "it's hard to throw completions when you're sitting on your ass". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Funny how Eli Manning can look like absolute trash and the overwhelming majority give him a pass. This is despite his having a solid TE, Shepherd and the highest paid WR in the league (OBJackass). Yet, Josh Allen has a mishmash of WR’s, a suspect line and is starting his FOURTH game and some of the experts think he should sit. Sad He is getting crucified in the NY media, old washed up, never played really great except two runs in the playoffs... granted he has a crap line and a number 1 receiver who has a case of the dropsies... talking about Eli here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I don't know too many people giving Eli a pass. If the rest of the year goes like it has been for him, he's in serious danger of not getting into the HOF. Not giving Eli a pass, but he knows how to read a D and make progressions, and tonight what I saw is he was wearing more green than Buddy the Elf. If I were Eli, I would develop obscure neurological symptoms that would require me to go on IR the rest of the season, pray the G-men cut me, then sell my services next season to the QB-needy team with the best OL. Or retire and pay for intensive physical therapy with my millions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Passing on a Quarterback for a running back is going to haunt the Giants for a long time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Funny how Eli Manning can look like absolute trash and the overwhelming majority give him a pass. This is despite his having a solid TE, Shepherd and the highest paid WR in the league (OBJackass). Yet, Josh Allen has a mishmash of WR’s, a suspect line and is starting his FOURTH game and some of the experts think he should sit. Sad How is sitting him considered producing now? it would seem that those who want him to sit want him to watch and learn and not produce now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 7 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Funny how Eli Manning can look like absolute trash and the overwhelming majority give him a pass. This is despite his having a solid TE, Shepherd and the highest paid WR in the league (OBJackass). Yet, Josh Allen has a mishmash of WR’s, a suspect line and is starting his FOURTH game and some of the experts think he should sit. Sad Who is giving Manning a pass? He's getting trashed by media and teammates. Your comparison is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Who is giving Manning a pass? I’m pretty sure I’ve heard multiple media personal and fans as well say that even tho Barkley has been lights out the Giants might have dropped the ball by not taking a QB. And I understand everyone doesn’t want to admit that a lot of the offenses problems are on Josh Allen but they are. He is a rookie he has a lot to work on it’s ok that he sucks right now. It’s ok that he can’t read the field doesn’t know which routes are best to beat what coverage or doesn’t even know what coverage is in place he will and if he doesn’t then it won’t even matter if he fixes his footwork or we get better players so people need to relax. No players are going to fix Josh allens problems besides Josh Allen....yeah if our team was stacked with the giants talent would we be better of course but Josh Allen will still play the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: You’re missing the point. Guys need to chill out. Give Josh Allen OBJackass, Shepherd and a real TE and he might actually shut some people up. Eli won two Suoer Bowls so that proves Allen is a great QBs???? Edited October 12, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 hours ago, jr1 said: McAdoo was right to bench Eli Not for Eugene Smiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Eli is finished. The dude is playing scared. Every time he drops back to pass he craps his pants. Stick a fork in him. Josh will be fine...he needs to learn and have more talent put around him. Edited October 12, 2018 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 9 hours ago, RiotAct said: well, two Super Bowl rings will afford him that luxury. Not in 2018! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krf139 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 If Allen ever won 2 Super Bowls, I’m scared to even think how people would view him. Heck, we had people getting Allen tattoos after he beat the Vikings 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Is this guy serious? Is this guy serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 9 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Funny how Eli Manning can look like absolute trash and the overwhelming majority give him a pass. This is despite his having a solid TE, Shepherd and the highest paid WR in the league (OBJackass). Yet, Josh Allen has a mishmash of WR’s, a suspect line and is starting his FOURTH game and some of the experts think he should sit. Sad I thoroughly enjoy when you're the big wooden spoon, Fergy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Gettleman took a calculated risk that Eli would return to form if their FO passed on a QB with the 2nd overall pick this year—problem is that Eli has mobility on par with my 2.5 week old and not even TB12 booster shakes will help that anymore. Realistically how much can he have left before retirement? Wonder what the Giants fan forums are looking like these days? Not much. Like the song goes You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em. 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not giving Eli a pass, but he knows how to read a D and make progressions, and tonight what I saw is he was wearing more green than Buddy the Elf. If I were Eli, I would develop obscure neurological symptoms that would require me to go on IR the rest of the season, pray the G-men cut me, then sell my services next season to the QB-needy team with the best OL. Or retire and pay for intensive physical therapy with my millions. Reading a defense and make progressions is great. But when you can't deliver the ball. Its not going to work. Joe Montana clung on to playing in KC and the one thing I clearly remember from that time, was him getting sacked by Bruce Smith in a playoff game lying on the ground dazed and confused. Go out on top and not looking like a man lost. 2 hours ago, row_33 said: Eli won two Suoer Bowls so that proves Allen is a great QBs???? NE lost to Nick Foles, a backup QB. Things happen Edited October 12, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 59 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: Eli is finished. The dude is playing scared. Every time he drops back to pass he craps his pants. Stick a fork in him. Josh will be fine...he needs to learn and have more talent put around him. True, but his O-line may be worse than the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Not much. Like the song goes You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em. Reading a defense and make progressions is great. But when you can't deliver the ball. Its not going to work. Joe Montana clung on to playing in KC and the one thing I clearly remember from that time, was him getting sacked by Bruce Smith in a playoff game lying on the ground dazed and confused. The last play of his career. Go out on top and not looking like a man lost. NE lost to Nick Foles, a backup QB. Things happen That was not the last play of Montana's career. He returned for the 1994 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Who's giving Eli a pass? He's getting crushed in NY today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: that can be taken in 8 directions with endless combinations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 hours ago, billieve420 said: Eli has never been a great QB in my opinion vastly overrated. With 2 rings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, PeterDude said: With 2 rings... this Bills fan is eternally grateful for Eli beating Brady in the most important moments of NFL history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: You’re missing the point. Guys need to chill out. Give Josh Allen OBJackass, Shepherd and a real TE and he might actually shut some people up. Might be that you’re missing the counterpoint, that there is no comparison between declining two time Super Bowl champion Eli Manning (a qb who probably will be a HoF nominee at some point) and Josh Allen Edited October 12, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I'm willing to give Mr Allan a few years to learn the game frggin frkin what the heck about people comparing him to Brady and Eli and Unitas and Gretzky already????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I don't think Eli is getting much of a pass to be honest. Basically every NFL writer I follow on Twitter was ridiculing him last night and everyone was begging for Kyle Lauletta to play (who was inactive for the game lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Not much. Like the song goes You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em. Reading a defense and make progressions is great. But when you can't deliver the ball. Its not going to work. Joe Montana clung on to playing in KC and the one thing I clearly remember from that time, was him getting sacked by Bruce Smith in a playoff game lying on the ground dazed and confused. The last play of his career. Go out on top and not looking like a man lost. NE lost to Nick Foles, a backup QB. Things happen that was a small potatoes hit on Joe compared to what Jim Burt and Leonard Marshall did to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 hours ago, billieve420 said: Eli has never been a great QB in my opinion vastly overrated. He was pretty good for a long time, but I agree he was never great. He's probably only had like one season where he was a top 10 QB in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: There is no sure thing that "Josh will be fine". Time will tell. part of the fun of being a fan is watching something good (and maybe great) develop i don't have to put a Brady mask on the Bills young QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, vorpma said: Is this guy serious? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Sure. I just hope that development part happens. There's no guarantee it will. People said the same about many QBs who were added to a long list of NFL busts. I"m not betting on the Bills straight up too many times this season. I've seen greatness for the Bills and long to see it again people fall in love with college QBs using a tinker-toy option game to run the score up on totally outmatched cupcakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Simple answer: some people are dumb. The Giants FO, for example. They passed on Darnold for a RB. Time will tell with Darnold, but he looks like he'll be a good one, which matches the general thought pre draft. Maybe they get lucky and hit on one of the QBs next year, but it's by far a weaker QB class. If not, the Giants will be guilty of making basically the same mistake that the Steelers made by sticking with Bradshaw and passing on Marino. Edited October 12, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Simple answer: some people are dumb. The Giants FO, for example. They passed on Darnold for a RB. Time will tell with Darnold, but he looks like he'll be a good one, which matches the general thought pre draft. Maybe they get lucky and hit on one of the QBs next year, but it's by far a weaker QB class. If not, the Giants will be guilty of making basically the same mistake that the Steelers made by sticking with Bradshaw and passing on Marino. Pack stumbled into back to back HOF QBs, dumped one who still had great years left in him with our luck Brady will be eased out by a replacement who is another Rodgers from Day One... Edited October 12, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Funny how Eli Manning can look like absolute trash and the overwhelming majority give him a pass. This is despite his having a solid TE, Shepherd and the highest paid WR in the league (OBJackass). Yet, Josh Allen has a mishmash of WR’s, a suspect line and is starting his FOURTH game and some of the experts think he should sit. Sad BBF is partly right and partly wrong. One the right side: Eli hasn't looked good this year and Allen needs more time. On the wrong side: his concern with what others are saying. I don't know if others are saying what he thinks they're saying and even if they are, who cares? For example, I don't know how many people are giving Eli a pass. I don't see that at all. And the few people who think Allen should sit say so usually because they worry about the Bills ruining his confidence playing before he's ready - playing behind a bad line with no one to throw to. I think everyone who matters realize Allen is a rookie and a works-in-progress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, SMAKCruiser said: That was not the last play of Montana's career. He returned for the 1994 season. oops edited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Passing on a Quarterback for a running back is going to haunt the Giants for a long time. boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 So you fellas think I'm dumb. Well take a look at the preseason projections of the so called "experts" who have the Giants either winning the NFC East or having a record of 10-6 or better. All based on the addition of Barkley, a solid WR corpse and an improved O Line. So from day one, Eli has been given the benefit of the doubt given the improved team. Yet Josh Allen has "Turnstile Trio" (Miller, Ducasse, Bodine), St. Francis High School JV split backs and a TE who averages a whopping 20 yards per game, yet he needs to sit?? This boy has fire in his belly, he's a wrecking machine and only wants to win. He needs to be unleashed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Reminds me a bit of Bledsoe at the end of his career in terms of needing an all star cast of lineman to function. However, Bledsoe would still suck with all pros on the line. Eli would be good. I saw numerous times where his severe lack of mobility made his line look worse than it really is. It's still not a good offensive line, but Manning makes it look worse at times. Eli Manning has always been statuesque and needed an all-pro OL in front of him. I agree, if a passer with more pocket presence and mobility were playing behind that line it would look better, but the other part of the equation is from what I saw, there's some unintended truth in BBF description of the "WR corpse". Either the play design sucks, or the WR are demoralized; they're not getting the separation they should. Shurmur is capable of being an excellent, excellent offensive coach but for some reason that isn't coming out. I get the feeling he may be totally over his head as a HC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 hours ago, ScottLaw said: He's a much better playoff QB. Very inconsistent regular season guy. Yup, he and Flacco are way better playoff pressure QBs than regular season QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Come on. Is this serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Eli Manning has always been statuesque and needed an all-pro OL in front of him. I agree, if a passer with more pocket presence and mobility were playing behind that line it would look better, but the other part of the equation is from what I saw, there's some unintended truth in BBF description of the "WR corpse". Either the play design sucks, or the WR are demoralized; they're not getting the separation they should. Shurmur is capable of being an excellent, excellent offensive coach but for some reason that isn't coming out. I get the feeling he may be totally over his head as a HC. We may be looking for an OC in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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