Ronin Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: QB ratings are as worthless as used toilet paper. That's interesting. Perhaps in your infinite "wisdom" you can look up for us all a QB that would have been worthy of a 1st-round pick much less a high 1st-round pick that had a career rating that's considered to be poor. We'll await your findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said: That's interesting. Perhaps in your infinite "wisdom" you can look up for us all a QB that would have been worthy of a 1st-round pick much less a high 1st-round pick that had a career rating that's considered to be poor. We'll await your findings. I did just post a soon-to-be HoFer who had a pretty lousy qbr through 4 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Utter terror, I tell ya 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 That's just one of many, Allen is going to be legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 This year is all about Josh seeing as much as possible. Next year we see how much he processed and we will know if he has what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drf1835 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 What do you think Drew Brees' 3rd year looked like OP.? 57.6 % , 2108 yards, 11 TD 15 INT, 62.5 rating. It took awhile for that kid to blossom. Now the greatest total yards passing ever. To expect J. Allen to in 4 games is dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Threedollabills said: That is really gross to wipe your snot on your bunghole. Are you a politician by chance? How'd you know? Director of Bio waste and Recycling ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedollabills Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, billsbackto81 said: How'd you know? Director of Bio waste and Recycling ? Just the imagery...you're the one who does it bruh ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, thurst44 said: I did just post a soon-to-be HoFer who had a pretty lousy qbr through 4 games... And what was that QB's rating for his career? Were his first four games good ones with a "lousy QBR"? You said that QBRs were worthless, your quote. So if they're worthless then show us all a QB that had poor QBRs that was actually good. When those QBRs are or were are irrelevant. And no, I don't expect you to admit that it was a stupid statement on your part. Edited October 9, 2018 by TaskersGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, MichFan said: OMG WHAT A BUST TRADE HIM NOW SUCH A NIGHTMARE IT'S A TERROR! A TERROR, I TELL YA!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Mickey said: Hmmm.....4 games, yeah that seems like a sufficient sample size from which to derive useful statistics. We should cut him, stats don't lie do they? Torture numbers and they’ll admit to anything; especially after 4 starts. What about the eyeball test though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: He is raw- let him grow. He hasnt been a turnover machine like some rookies are. The odds of him being good are in his favor- relax and dont buy into the bs. Mid venture odds are against him. But at least he has a chance. That’s huge and much more than most. But if he hard pressed to say he’s more likely than not to pan out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: QB ratings are as worthless as used toilet paper. As is the OP... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, aceman_16 said: Actually in college (Cornell in the 80s), in my art class, a fellow classmate made a paper mache owl with used (pre-wet with her urine) toilet paper. It was my first foray into recycling. I've lost respect for that school lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 6 hours ago, TroutDog said: This thread is simply silliness. Better than the one about the punter, though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 10 hours ago, Threedollabills said: That is really gross to wipe your snot on your bunghole. Are you a politician by chance? Your mom is stupid Guess you told me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2-1 as a starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 12 hours ago, H2o said: Trade? No one wants him I'm sure. I say we just release him and take the entire cap hit this year with the rest so we have more $$$ for FA next year. Seriously though? This is stupid. He's played 4 games and is 2-2 with basically all 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string WR's on any other team in the NFL. Is he lighting up the league? No, but what did you expect. He has work to do. If we're still having this same convo by the middle of next year, and we clearly have better talent at the skill positions, THEN there is a problem because the game is not slowing down for him at all. If you watch the overhead cam of the WR's running routes they are getting absolutely 0 separation on most plays. *3rd and 4th string recievers on every team but maybe dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloSol said: *3rd and 4th string recievers on every team but maybe dallas. My apologies. I did forget about Dallas. They are probably on par with us right now, but not any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: I don't eat Cheetos while doing that...the dust is abrasive. You gotta get it wet to make a paste, then you cut a hole in the.....nevermind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 12 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: QB ratings are as worthless as used toilet paper. The OP is wack, but you are wrong. Traditional passer rating differential is the best predictor of team success and failure that we have, and an individual's individual rating is obviously a big part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Wonderlics don't mean much to be honest. Josh Allen doesn't play smart on the field. That insane INT in the endzone v Packers isn't a rookie mistake. He was making those type of decisions at Wyoming. It's built into his fabric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) Does scoring high on a wonderlic really have anything to do with reading/reacting after the snap of a football? The wonderlic is timed and you have no knowledge of the questions ahead of time. I get it, he has the intelligence to understand defenses but the visual/spatial processing that must occur in milliseconds is not something that is demonstrated on a wonderlic test. I mean, if he scored at the bottom that would be one thing but anyone in the top 25% can understand and read defenses, probably even a bigger percentage. Making conclusions about the ability to be a good NFL Qb based on a score of 34 vs 37 is useless. 13 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: QB ratings are as worthless as used toilet paper. Not true, Sure picking a guy with a 100 rating vs a guy with a 95 rating may not be clear in absolute rankings. But when a guy has a 60 rating, he is no good and the offense sucks 100% of the time. The guy can improve, especially if he is young but you can be assure an offense with a QB who has a rating of 60 is not something you want ever. Edited October 9, 2018 by mattynh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The OP is a good example of how many folks have absolutely no clue about the proper use of statistics. As for Wonderlich scores, smarter you are the faster you hopefully learn. It doesn't mean you walk into the league knowing everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Threedollabills said: Allen scored highest on the Wonderlic (37) and so has a high intellectual ceiling for reading coverages and changing at the line, etc. BUT OMG HE HAS THE TENTH WORST PASSER RATING IN THE LEAGUE (60.4) WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY LAST AMONG STARTERS AND JUST BARELY AHEAD OF TWO OTHER BILLS: PETERMAN (0.0) AND BOJORQUEZ (39.6)! Hilarious stats for fins and pats and jets fans, but utterly embarrassing for us. If his head doesn't crack open like Leaf's did he's got a shot next year with a FA line and N'Keal Harry. Any thoughts on this statistical nightmare? http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&conference=null&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING ...yup....take a deep breath.......you can exhale on December 30 at 4:04PM.....it's only Tuesday.... Edited October 9, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 13 hours ago, Threedollabills said: Allen scored highest on the Wonderlic (37) and so has a high intellectual ceiling for reading coverages and changing at the line, etc. BUT OMG HE HAS THE TENTH WORST PASSER RATING IN THE LEAGUE (60.4) WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY LAST AMONG STARTERS AND JUST BARELY AHEAD OF TWO OTHER BILLS: PETERMAN (0.0) AND BOJORQUEZ (39.6)! Hilarious stats for fins and pats and jets fans, but utterly embarrassing for us. If his head doesn't crack open like Leaf's did he's got a shot next year with a FA line and N'Keal Harry. Any thoughts on this statistical nightmare? http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&conference=null&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING I know, how dare a rookie QB who has started 4 games act like a rookie QB who has started 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Only saving grace.....wow.....such small mindedness. I for one enjoy watching Allen even with his temporary flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 7:55 AM, FeelingOnYouboty said: Wonderlics don't mean much to be honest. Josh Allen doesn't play smart on the field. That insane INT in the endzone v Packers isn't a rookie mistake. He was making those type of decisions at Wyoming. It's built into his fabric. the test is used to see if one can sit there and think for a few minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 7:41 PM, Tolstoy said: Guys, give the OP a break. he is simply pointing out a stat that is a bit discouraging, and asking for your help in finding a brighter side. We have a habit on this board of viciously attacking people who say anything that we don't agree with. So, as some replies have said, it is only four games, and his first four games in the league. Let's give it more time! So, what's new with the Human Race. People love to pile on too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 7:33 AM, Mr. WEO said: Let's guess OP's Wonderlic! I'll say it never gets above Kelvin Benjamin's..... Travis Henry 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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