Mr. WEO Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said: Any individual OL would likely be a Bosa, but this team has too many holes. 1st round game changers like Sammy? Watkins was drafted with the fourth overall pick after we traded our first round selection (the 9th pick), and first and fourth round selections in 2015. Game changer, right! If we trade out of a top 5 pick, we wouldn't get a high 1st and use it on an OL. More likely a mid to lower 1st and a 2nd and 3rd or another 2nd in the next year. That's three value picks for a single gamble on another WR? Bad idea. Since '86, the Bills 1/2 round picks of OL which I felt were worthy include Will Wolford, John Fina, Rueben Brown, Eric Wood, Cordy Glenn, Dion Dawkins. The only huge miss was Mike Williams back in 2002. There are lots of misses on game- changing play-makers. With the exception of the Eagles, the top 10 OLs in football all have at least one and most have two first round picks anchoring their lines. We can get mid-round and even late round gems to sprinkle in , but the line needs a foundation of talent. Badly. Smart teams get a franchise QB and then build from the inside out to protect and then exploit his skills. Picking one WR as the reason not to draft playmaker positions in the 1st round is a pretty weak argument. In fact, if the Bills drafted OBJ, your argument evaporates. LT just isn't that position, and it drafting them in the 1st has proven to be unnecessary. Unless your offense (and defense) is already pretty stacked, you pick playmakers: QB, guys who catch passes from your current QB, or guys who hit the other team's QB. An LT is part of a group. Alone, he can't do a lot to keep your QB unmolested. Joe Thomas was proof of this nearly every year he played in Cleveland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Picking one WR as the reason not to draft playmaker positions in the 1st round is a pretty weak argument. In fact, if the Bills drafted OBJ, your argument evaporates. LT just isn't that position, and it drafting them in the 1st has proven to be unnecessary. Unless your offense (and defense) is already pretty stacked, you pick playmakers: QB, guys who catch passes from your current QB, or guys who hit the other team's QB. An LT is part of a group. Alone, he can't do a lot to keep your QB unmolested. Joe Thomas was proof of this nearly every year he played in Cleveland. That’s my general philosophy. LT is the only exception to the rule and I think we already have one of those. I’d never use a top 10 pick on a different OL than LT and even then I’d hesitate. I want guys that can impact the game on their own. Pass rushers, QBs, CB and pass catchers. Those guys can either score or negate the passing game. Everyone else is along for the ride. We do need 3 or 4 new starting OL but you don’t need to take those guys at 1. I’d take 3 of them between rounds 2-5 and you’d probably have 3 starters. Edited September 20, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s my general philosophy. LT is the only exception to the rule and I think we already have one of those. I’d never use a top 10 pick on a different OL than LT and even then I’d hesitate. I want guys that can impact the game on their own. Pass rushers, QBs, CBS and pass catchers. Those guys can either score or negate the passing game. Everyone else is along for the ride. We do need 3 or 4 new starting OL but you don’t needn’t to take those guys at 1. I’d take 3 of them between rounds 2-5 and you’d probably have 3 starters. I agree. Mediocre to bad teams make this mistake over and over.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s my general philosophy. LT is the only exception to the rule and I think we already have one of those. I’d never use a top 10 pick on a different OL than LT and even then I’d hesitate. I want guys that can impact the game on their own. Pass rushers, QBs, CBS and pass catchers. Those guys can either score or negate the passing game. Everyone else is along for the ride. We do need 3 or 4 new starting OL but you don’t needn’t to take those guys at 1. I’d take 3 of them between rounds 2-5 and you’d probably have 3 starters. I’d say at least 3 new starters, but 1-2 will come through FA. A really young offensive line is almost as dangerous as a bad OLine. And keep drafting, and I don’t mean Ed Wang (thought that was kind of fun, briefly). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Bosa strikes me as a guy who would female dog about being picked by Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Bosa strikes me as a guy who would female dog about being picked by Buffalo. He loves Trump so half of the board will love him and half hate him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: He loves Trump so half of the board will love him and half hate him. Probably more than half of his board. Personally, I don’t care about that as long as he isn’t obnoxious about it. I would take Bosa and Kaepernick because I want the best non criminal team would can possible have. The great thing about football is it takes a lot of different personalities to play and you become brothers despite your differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Seasons1992 said: Me also....... Well, THAT was fun to watch! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Probably more than half of his board. Personally, I don’t care about that as long as he isn’t obnoxious about it. I would take Bosa and Kaepernick because I want the best non criminal team would can possible have. The great thing about football is it takes a lot of different personalities to play and you become brothers despite your differences. He’s pretty obnoxious about it. He’s a MAGA guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Oliver is a nice player but I would never use the number 1 overall pick on an interior d-lineman. Bosa would make more sense. BTW, maybe now we know why Beane was so adamant about holding on to our ‘19 first round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s pretty obnoxious about it. He’s a MAGA guy. Is there any way we can take him with our first AND second pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Is there any way we can take him with our first AND second pick? That might cause a little backlash on the board. Some of the National media might not notice because they were too busy crucifying us for other things. Details get lost in blind hate..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, mannc said: Oliver is a nice player but I would never use the number 1 overall pick on an interior d-lineman. Bosa would make more sense. BTW, maybe now we know why Beane was so adamant about holding on to our ‘19 first round pick. You wouldn’t take Aaron Donald 1st overall? I absolutely would. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: You wouldn’t take Aaron Donald 1st overall? I absolutely would. I love the idea of QB pressure AND run D, and from what little I’ve seen, he's that dominant. His plays behind the LOS, but then he chases back 20 yards - in a hurry! Also, pressure up the middle in short passing games is quicker and very effective. I need to watch more CFB, but I sense many on the board will be pissed when we start winning later in the year because we will waste draft position. They are angry to lose now, and will be angry to win later. In essence, they are just angry. Does that sum it up? And don’t EVEN bring up comp picks!!! ? Edited September 20, 2018 by Augie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 14 hours ago, BillsRdue said: Obviously you haven't been around as a Bills fan long enough. Here's the way it works. The Bills are front-runners for the #1 pick all year. They love and need Bosa. The season looks like a disaster then in meaningless December games when the Patriots and Dolphins are resting starters, we go and WIN!!!! Woo-hoo, we end up 4-12 and pick 3rd or 4th and both guys are off the board, so we grab the best OT and hope he pans out. To the contrary. We'll fall to 3rd or 4th and take the best defensive player on the board. Because the defensive genius we hired can't be a defensive genius without a defense full of studs. Of course, in the 2nd, we'll have to take a CB, because they messed up the year before in FA'cy. The observations of how bad the OL is will be put on a back burner because.... wait for it.... "you can always get those guys later in the draft." So in the 5th round, we'll draft the 13th ranked OT or OG and people will be excited about the guy. And he'll be expected to fill the 4 spots that need to be filled. And next September...there will be talk about how bad the OL is until game 3, when people start watching the next defensive stud to take the following April. Now THAT'S some last 20 years Bills' history. Sure as the sunrise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 If there wasn't a trade down offer for a QB I would take either honestly Bosa but that's dependent on a lot of things that have yet to play out. But ideally I would love to see a trade down to a QB thirsty team if the Bills have a top pick. Preferably I would love to see the Bills get a top 10 pick while still netting a 2nd round pick in 2019, a 4th round pick in 2019 and a 1st and 3rd in 2020. That might seem like a lot but if rookie QB's are gold then the Bills can and should get a haul of picks. Drafting in the top 10 they could still land an impact player but adding an early 2nd and early 4th in 2019 would allow the Bills to address additional needs. The extra 1st and 3rd in 2020 sets up a second great draft while Allen would still be young and cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 AJ Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Trade down 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 5:24 PM, billsfan2298 said: If we had the first pick, are there any really good QBs that a team would try to trade up for? Justin Herbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Bosa Just had surgery. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24742744/nick-bosa-ohio-state-buckeyes-surgery-core-muscle-injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Bosa Just had surgery. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24742744/nick-bosa-ohio-state-buckeyes-surgery-core-muscle-injury SAWFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Bosa Just had surgery. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24742744/nick-bosa-ohio-state-buckeyes-surgery-core-muscle-injury No timetable for return...that's concerning. He is only a junior so being patient is prudent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: He loves Trump so half of the board will love him and half hate him. 15 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Probably more than half of his board. Personally, I don’t care about that as long as he isn’t obnoxious about it. I would take Bosa and Kaepernick because I want the best non criminal team would can possible have. The great thing about football is it takes a lot of different personalities to play and you become brothers despite your differences. If he becomes a Bill and delivers a flying head butt to Tom Brady or Bill Belichick, EVERYONE will love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Neither. If we pick #1 give me the top rated QB prospect or trade down. QB is the only position that’s matters and they have the highest value across the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 6:59 PM, BillsPride12 said: I would be excited with Bosa or Oliver but is there no clear cut legit Wide Receiver worth taking early coming out next year? The Wide Receiver class does not appear to be that strong this year. No one that looks like a Top 10 or Top 15 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 16 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: You wouldn’t take Aaron Donald 1st overall? I absolutely would. Not if there was a quality edge rusher available. And by the way, back in ‘14, I was advacating that the Bills stay put and take Donald as BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 54 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: Neither. If we pick #1 give me the top rated QB prospect or trade down. QB is the only position that’s matters and they have the highest value across the league. Is it? We just used a starting LT, a first round pick and 2 second round picks to take a QB. He has played a game and a half and you think that it is prudent to go QB again? This team has given up 78 points in 2 weeks but the QB is the only position that matters?!? It’s certainly the most important but we have that guy for another 30 games at least. Let’s see if he’s good by improving the team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 If I had to pick today I'd probably lean towards a trade back. You can't go wrong with either but we have so many holes it would be hard to pass up a plethora of good picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 If we're picking top 5 it's gotta be pass rusher. If it's top 10 then maybe you look at the top OL prospects as well as pass rushers. Round 2 is best available OL or WR. Round 3 is whatever you didn't get before, or more OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Draft 1. D.K. Metcalf-WR Ole Miss 6'4 225 2. Bobby Evans-LT Oklahoma 6'5 310 3. Diontae Johnson-WR Toledo 5'11 186 4. Jesse Burkett-C Stanford 6'4 306 Free Agency Anthony Barr-LB Vikings Daryl Williams-RT Panthers Bradley Roby-CB Broncos De'Anthony Thomas-WR Chiefs In one offseason we fix our OL and WR issues. Thus investing in our young QB and we get two borderline Pro Bowlers to bolster our Defense. We could then go into the next offseason with really only DL being a massive need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Haven't seen much of either of these guys, a half dozen games or so over the last few years. I usually try to better educate myself about the prospects in the months before the draft, so that's my disclaimer. Having said that I might be inclined to go with Ed Oliver, but only if he can show this year that he is capable of getting sacks at the next level in the high single digits. I don't know whether he will be able to do that given that he plays nose and is used as a disruptive force in defending the run. He's undersized for an NFL defensive tackle (he's probably smaller than listed) and should line up as a 3 tech in McDermott's 4/3 under IMO. If he can get the sacks and still rack up lots of run stops and tackles for loss I think it would be hard to pass on him. No offence to the Buckeyes and their supporters. Obviously I'd be delighted with either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I keep seeing people saying trade the pick. You don't trade when you can draft a player that may likely end up in Canton. Bosa is an absolute game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: I keep seeing people saying trade the pick. You don't trade when you can draft a player that may likely end up in Canton. Bosa is an absolute game changer. You do when you have 8-9 holes on offense and a few more on defense. Trade. Down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, JM57 said: You do when you have 8-9 holes on offense and a few more on defense. Trade. Down. No you don't. Rome wasn't built in a day. You people have no patience. As a matter of fact Beane's mentor said you don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 10 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: I keep seeing people saying trade the pick. You don't trade when you can draft a player that may likely end up in Canton. Bosa is an absolute game changer. Bosa is a "game changer" like Aaron Maybin was, against Florida Atlantic, he killed Ball State, Akron had no answers for him etc. etc. He is slightly above average against Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, et. al. Don't be fooled again Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24742744/nick-bosa-ohio-state-buckeyes-surgery-core-muscle-injury Does this change anyone's decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 9 hours ago, JM57 said: You do when you have 8-9 holes on offense and a few more on defense. Trade. Down. We already have 10 draft picks and over 60 mil in cap, you get the game changer when you get the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, DefenseWins said: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24742744/nick-bosa-ohio-state-buckeyes-surgery-core-muscle-injury Does this change anyone's decision? Why would it make any difference for his pro career? It’s a sports hernia and he’s having the surgery in September. He will be 100% in 12 weeks max. Edited September 21, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 15 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: No you don't. Rome wasn't built in a day. You people have no patience. As a matter of fact Beane's mentor said you don't. Pay attention to the trends of the league. Your best window to win is with a QB on his rookie deal before he starts chewing up a significant portion of the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I'd draft a QB, especially if we finish dead last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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