Big Turk Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: 50 million in dead cap no? Its all this year. Dead cap gpne next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: Its all this year. Dead cap gpne next year. I corrected my error above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: If we give them too much time and patience we might have several 4-12 seasons in a row Oof cap room doesn't mean there's $90 million worth of available free agents. A bad team that can't spend it's full cap simply means it doesn't have enough talent worth the money to reach the cap.. which means it's less talented than other teams. Unspent cap is not good at all. Or its got a lot of young players and no QB or a QB on his rookie contract. Check and check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Pete said: Tre'davious, Allen, and Edwards are a great core to build around. Dawkins, Milano, Harrison, Poyer, Hyde are great Bills. And we do have 10 draft picks, and tons of cap room next year. So I am very hopeful for the Bills and Josh Allen. Last year we almost beat Jacksonville in the playoffs. I don't understand how we regressed this year Lost two top offensive linemen and didn't replace them with anything special; McCoy can't buy a hole to run thru; lost a top linebacker, need a starting corner big time, and we're starting a quarterback that's brand-spanking new. You win on the line of scrimmage; we regress there because we remain an organization that refuses to use high draft picks on quality offensive linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Or its got a lot of young players and no QB or a QB on his rookie contract. Check and check. You think the Bills have a lot of young players? I mean, relative to the rest of the league? Because they don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You think the Bills have a lot of young players? I mean, relative to the rest of the league? Because they don't. We have one less old player than we did during the first half on Sunday. So there's that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You think the Bills have a lot of young players? I mean, relative to the rest of the league? Because they don't. But they will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Or its got a lot of young players and no QB or a QB on his rookie contract. Check and check. So a really bad record. Cool I love watching the worst team I've ever seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: But they will... When is this happening? Even if they keep all of their picks in the next draft they will only be middle of the pack in this regard because it's an old team now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: So a really bad record. Cool I love watching the worst team I've ever seen. Yup. Its a full tear down. If they rebuild it right we will be good for a long time. The key word is IF. Just now, BADOLBILZ said: When is this happening? Even if they keep all of their picks in the next draft they will only be middle of the pack in this regard because it's an old team now. Not if they swap out older players or players on expiring contracts for younger free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Yup. Its a full tear down. If they rebuild it right we will be good for a long time. The key word is IF. You don't need to suck to suck to be good for a long time lol. Ask the.. Chiefs. They have a GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 how do the Lions keep getting a pass??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: oops, my bad. That's 50 million dead this year but less then 9 million in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Yup. Its a full tear down. If they rebuild it right we will be good for a long time. The key word is IF. Not if they swap out older players or players on expiring contracts for younger free agents. Sounds good in theory but as I've illustrated tanking doesn't ever lead to a team being "good for a long time" anymore. There isn't even an exception to the rule for anyone to hang their hat on in the entirety of the 2000's. Peyton Manning was the last of the #1 overall picks to lead his team to sustained contention. It's a pretty sobering list for you pro-tankers. Mediocrity is the place to start if you want to win.........if you can't rebuild it right from THERE you are highly unlikely to do it by the far more complicated approach of tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Skins Malone said: Nothing we can do. Yeah, there is. He can go find another team instead of spending every waking moment sounding like he can't find his tampon. Why, I'd go so far as to say the Buffalo Bills are the Pete's Posts of the NFL. That's how big of a schittshow they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 53 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You think the Bills have a lot of young players? I mean, relative to the rest of the league? Because they don't. I wonder how much just Kyle WIlliams would lower that average age number.....because you know this is his last year.....honestly Kyle is not playing great right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 It's a little early for this. If the Bills still look this inept by mid-season I'll start to worry (to the extent I worry about this ****), but I don't find it at all surprising that a cash strapped team with a rookie QB and a bunch of new starters is having a rough start to the season. I suspect the defense will start to look like an NFL unit at some point soon. They looked like they might be figuring it out in the second half Sunday. We knew this wasn't going to be an offensive powerhouse, but if Allen proves to be the real deal, which looks promising thus far, it shouldn't take much to get us on track. Either way, I'd rather be us than Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, or AZ right now. And the Browns are still the Browns until proven otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 well, to truly assess a ‘worse team’, one has to be acquainted with the Best team for accurate comparison. I offer the Champion Australian Women’s Cricket team for contrast. Analyze this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I wonder how much just Kyle WIlliams would lower that average age number.....because you know this is his last year.....honestly Kyle is not playing great right now. Probably not much, you do know how averages work, right? 3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: well, to truly assess a ‘worse team’, one has to be acquainted with the Best team for accurate comparison. I offer the Australian Cricket team for contrast. Analyze this. Look at the bus driver lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Pete said: Would you trade our team for the Browns? In a NY second. The Browns have talent all over the field. Where is ours? I cant think of a bigger **** show than Buffalo. The Giants are a mess. Other than that, I can't think of a bigger mess than us. Tampa, Jets, Bears- they all got better. Why can't we? We deserve much better. Seriously, is there a team that is garbage, worse than ours? Are we the least talented team in the NFL? How does that happen with high draft picks for 20 years, and free agency and salary caps? It is maddening! We finally appear to have a QB, were hopefully about to land a top 5 pick with an abundance of draft picks and 80+ M to spend in FA and you want to bail now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said: We finally appear to have a QB, were hopefully about to land a top 5 pick with an abundance of draft picks and 80+ M to spend in FA and you want to bail now? between the Sabres and Bills I am all tanked out. I guess tanking beats mediocrity. And the future does look bright for the Bills and Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: We finally appear to have a QB, were hopefully about to land a top 5 pick with an abundance of draft picks and 80+ M to spend in FA and you want to bail now? Shady, Clay, Benjamin, Dawkins, Hyde, T. White, Poyer, LoAl, Edmunds, Star & Hauschka would start for every team in the League. Toss in Hughes, Milano, Kyle, the Murphy’s & Allen as possible starters/certain rotational players and it isn’t as dark as the ledge jumpers see it. The Defense has been uninspired early the 1st 2 games, which caused huge halftime deficits. Pickpeterman is a travesty corrected. Does our Oline suck worse than most teams? You betcha! Is the Defense capable of inspired, game changing play? You betcha? Is Allen an every play threat? You betcha? Are we the worst ca$h $trapped team this season, rendering the acquisition of proven OL talent impossible? You betcha! Are we well positioned for significant additions to the aforementioned core next year, via FA, lots-O-ca$h & double-digit Draft capital along with high Round picks? Only the high round draft picks remain unclear. But I like our chances.. Glass half full vs Glass empty on the shelf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) Plenty I'd rather not be: Zona, Giants, even Detroit has issues now with Stafford ailing and imho overpaid. I wouldn't trade any part of this team for Tampa right now in the midst of the Fitzy curse cycle. Currently watching my buddy go through the motions and it'll be a difficult let down. I like where the Bills are heading more so in the years to come than next year. Is it bad? Sure. Did we know it was coming? Very yes. Addendum - surprise pick? The Rams. Going through this cap hell from leftover Whaley doesn't make me jealous of LA's cap situation in the years to come with Donald, Goff, and Gurley and even the OL all likely commanding big time cap. Hell, wouldn't it be great to see Gurley in a Bills uniform following an aging Shady...wouldn't that pipedream be something Edited September 18, 2018 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 We're fine. Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 5 hours ago, PIZ said: What would you do with a top 5 pick or THE top pick this? Take the best pass rusher? Best OT? Trade down for a boatload of picks + a #1 the next year? Great question. I really don’t know. People are convinced it would be Bosa or DE but Oline is a need. Maybe a small trade down for multiple picks and go Oline and WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 6 hours ago, billsfan714 said: Anyone with a functional brain would say the Browns. Garrett is a stud at DE, Jarvis Landry is better than any of our receivers. Their runningbacks are Hyde, Chubb on a rookie contract. Ward in the secondary. Rookie QBs they got the no.1. Njoku at TE. They got some nice pieces going forward.. Hopefully we can get there but with better results. RB: Shady better than Hyde or rookie Chubb WR: Benjamin....Landry is a slot receiver...so you can't compare numbers. OT: Dawkins We definitely have our starting LT for the next 3-4 years DE : Hughes - Is a well established pass rusher..Agreed not in the same leaue as Garrett...But Garrett is yet to prove anything in the NFL. CB: White - Best Rookie CB from last year...Is a top 10 CB in the league S - Poyer and Hyde - Above-Good Safeties form a great tandem...proabably better than the Browns starting Safeties. Rookies: Edmunds, Allen are promising rookies (Like Chubb)... Average players: Clay at TE So if you compared the Browns team player for player...You are not going to find much difference between the two teams...I would say the same with Miami, Jets, Arizona, 49ers, Carolina, Washington etc....These are all flawed teams depending on the way the football bounce can be 3-13 or 9-7... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Giants and lions are bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ol Dirty B Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: We finally appear to have a QB, were hopefully about to land a top 5 pick with an abundance of draft picks and 80+ M to spend in FA and you want to bail now? You know nothing about the QB position at this point in time. 1 hour ago, ganesh said: RB: Shady better than Hyde or rookie Chubb WR: Benjamin....Landry is a slot receiver...so you can't compare numbers. OT: Dawkins We definitely have our starting LT for the next 3-4 years DE : Hughes - Is a well established pass rusher..Agreed not in the same leaue as Garrett...But Garrett is yet to prove anything in the NFL. CB: White - Best Rookie CB from last year...Is a top 10 CB in the league S - Poyer and Hyde - Above-Good Safeties form a great tandem...proabably better than the Browns starting Safeties. Rookies: Edmunds, Allen are promising rookies (Like Chubb)... Average players: Clay at TE So if you compared the Browns team player for player...You are not going to find much difference between the two teams...I would say the same with Miami, Jets, Arizona, 49ers, Carolina, Washington etc....These are all flawed teams depending on the way the football bounce can be 3-13 or 9-7... Don't tell me you are misconstruing this team as one that could be 9-7... please don't make me waste the time on a post explaining why this team will not be 9-7. 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: We're fine. Go away. We're not. You went away, stay away. Stupid posts get stupid responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 For the 2018 season alone, there are few teams worse than we are... long term, I’d rather be this organization, taking our medicine now, with hopes of building something great long term than be a perennial 6-10 to 8-8 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Seattle looks pretty lousy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Not according to this https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2019/ $2 Million!!! I mean wtf is this team doing!!! /sarc 8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: oops, my bad. That's 50 million dead this year we're all human 7 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Maybe Arizona. Giants no. Oakland no. Through this season (and looking forward to 2019) the Giants are in bad shape. I'm not sold on how well Chuckie v 3.0 will be. 6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: well, to truly assess a ‘worse team’, one has to be acquainted with the Best team for accurate comparison. I offer the Champion Australian Women’s Cricket team for contrast. Analyze this. Video Unavailable thanks interwebs I heard this this morning on Mike and Trey (and Mike) Arizona is the worst team in the NFL Edited September 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The Browns suck. They are doomed until they get a new HC. Historically bad coach. Bills do have maybe the 2 worst Coordinators... Who picks the coordinators and position coaches? McDermott's choices of assistants makes him at least as bad as any HC in the NFL, including Hue Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) BILLS 2019 CAP TOTALS Maximum Salary Cap:$195,255,109 Active Contracts:$102,866,980 Dead Cap:$2,320,775 Total Cap:$105,187,755 Est. Cap Space:$90,067,354 BILLS 2020 CAP TOTALS Maximum Salary Cap:$187,000,000 Active Contracts:$55,782,375 Total Cap:$55,782,375 Est. Cap Space:$131,217,625 55 players under contract through 2019 36 players under contract through 2020 24 players under contract through 2021 Est. Cap Space:$131,217,625 Edited September 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Everyone always looks at past Bills organization players and coaches who have left to prosper somewhere else... In a situation like the Bills, there is no room for error. McBeane has made many, many errors so far. A LOT of them. But like rookie players, there will be a lot of things for McBeane to learn, and we just have to stick with it and let them develop in the same way as the team. Patience here.. easy to say, I know, but there really isn't another viable option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, SoTier said: Who picks the coordinators and position coaches? McDermott's choices of assistants makes him at least as bad as any HC in the NFL, including Hue Jackson. The choices were bad, but no way McD is a worse HC than Jackson. Watching Hard Knocks, it's clear why. Hue does absolutely no coaching. He just tells the players stories and slaps them on the back and has friendly conversations with them. That is except for the many times he has to beg them to actually work hard in practice in those team meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 You could argue the Patriots and/or Packers. Sure, teams like the Bills, Browns and Cardinals may have down years but the future looks bright with promising youth at more than just one position. For the Patriots, they are in the twilight of their long period of sustained success. All good things....Their rebuilding is closer at hand with each passing year. The team lacks an identity and stars if you remove the 40+ year old Brady and the often-injured Gronkowski. They haven't drafted well so the team is quite average, filled with niche players. For the Packers, the entire organization lives and dies with the health of Aaron Rodgers. Every season hangs by a thread. When he's injured, the Packers are a terrible team. The Rodgers contract effectively keeps the Packers mediocre for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I see very little talent on this roster and too many holes to fill to even be 5-11 next year. We need a huge talent infusion at WR and O-line. We could start from nothing next year at both positions and be in better shape than we are now. LB's and the D-Line look very bad as well, nobody on this team will be making the pro bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Next year 10 draft picks and $100m in cap room. Potential franchise qb coming into second year. Thats the opposite of bad shape. Did you expect a turnaround after 1 season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Da webster guy said: Next year 10 draft picks and $100m in cap room. Potential franchise qb coming into second year. Thats the opposite of bad shape. Did you expect a turnaround after 1 season? I'm guessing we will sign 3 Star L type players to fix that 100m of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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