[Vague Title] The future is ok

[Tyrod's friend]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. ...

Bolden, overblown?
Hearing that the GM said he was completely wrong on AJ McCarron?
Marcel Darius failing to be motivated?

I don't think Davis, himself, was going to change the arc of our team. I agree with you there.
and I believe in a process, and you don't change that willy-nilly. There are a couple of veterans that are here very much because they believe in the process.

But Vontae Davis signals to me that the DB believes there would be some undercurrent among veterans where it would resonate. No member of the team today would even for a second admit to that, but I think that is a truth.

 

[bobobonators]

I dont know if the future is OK. I dont know if its bad either. Maybe by week 10 or 12 ill have a better idea. 

[HappyDays]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh, that offense is awful. There are holes everywhere. That was part of what encouraged me. He is playing with trash. The fact that he could make them function was a positive sign.

 

He was our best player on offense and that includes Shady. That is something to be optimistic about. I still see area code accuracy. I'm not sure that will ever be fixed. But he can collect yards in chunks and that might make up for it. We need strong receivers with sure hands. Benjamin could be that if he cared but he's too slow to make a difference either way.

Edited September 17, 2018 by HappyDays

[COTC]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

No seriously you have these great ideas.....they def should be made aware

You asking me about a mouse in someone’s pocket is very strange man. Let’s not deflect the topic here. Lol. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, COTC said:

You asking me about a mouse in someone’s pocket is very strange man. Let’s not deflect the topic here. Lol. 

well.....because the "we" definately does NOT include you

[COTC]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

well.....because the "we" definately does NOT include you

 

And “we” circle back around...all those bizarre questions to get back here?

Edited September 17, 2018 by COTC

[downunderbill]

3 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

Would it be a round earth sphere?

 

Asking for a friend

 

Couldn't say, you'll have to ask the Illuminati.

[stinky finger]

45 minutes ago, Skins Malone said:

Not sure how you walk out with optimism you havent had in a long time.  I just dont get saying you havent been a process guy but you are now?? What have you seen this year to become a process guy?  Nothing wrong with it..im just surprised anything this season would make anyone turn into a process guy.

 

The Vontage Davis thing maybe overblown but it just looks bad.  Is he any great lose no he was terrible here.

 

 

Optimism?

 

You don't think Allen has the goods? I think clearly he does. They will fill holes next offseason and we'll compete. I'm very optimistic.

[x-BillzeBubba]

The Vontae thing shouldn't be about today, it should be about why he was here in the first place

[stinky finger]

47 minutes ago, COTC said:

McD has lost the locker room. Once that respect is gone, he’s nothing more than a lame duck. 

 

Its time to fire The McBeane. 

 

Go away. Faaaar away.

[COTC]

Just now, x-BillzeBubba said:

The Vontae thing shouldn't be about today, it should be about why he was here in the first place

To play special teams apparently...

[TheElectricCompany]

The future is @  Minnesota. 

That's the type of game that can create scar tissue for a young QB. 

 

[COTC]

1 minute ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Go away. Faaaar away.

Did you hear about the farting ninjas?

 

They are silent but deadly. ? ? 

[fergie's ire]

55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad.  

 

With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like.

 

Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. 

 

The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. 

 

Trust the Progress

Thanks for posting, Kirby.  I always enjoy your insights and your posts are one of the reasons I keep coming back here.  It's weird how just because you can see something positive...some potential...some people have to go into attack mode.  And for those who would suggest you are a kool-aid drinker, I would say that I have a distinct memory of you visiting training camp....sometime over the last few years....and watching the quarterbacks and reporting: none of these guys can play.  Maybe it was last year?  not sure....but I'm pretty sure that was you.

 

Love your insights and sources....so please keep it up.

[dezertbill]

58 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad.  

 

With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like.

 

Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. 

 

The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. 

 

Trust the Progress

100% believe this.  It's a marathon not a sprint.  

[stinky finger]

47 minutes ago, Skins Malone said:

There is no actual evidence he has lost the locker room.  

 

Of course there's not. Just some moron stating so.

[Nihilarian]

Bosa didn't play today. That said what happens to the process if the rookie QB doesn't survive the season because of the ineptitude of this GM/HC to build a decent O line to protect him?

 

How do you start a rookie QB behind a line so bad that they don't even understand their blocking responsibilities. A few times today I watched the O linemen and TE, RB completely whiff on blocks. In one case the supposedly good LT chose to block the DT which left the edge rushing in Ingram come completely free, untouched. Meanwhile Ducasse was blocking air because his man was taken.

 

The O line stinks, the O line coach stinks and oddly enough he is also the run game coordinator which also stinks.

 

Yes, Allen showed flashes of being really good. Now Imagine him being able to sit and learn like he was supposed to do. BTW, where is the veteran QB on the roster to help these young QBs. Speaking of the roster why is Peterman still on it? Shades of Jeff Tuel.  

[Best Player Available]

17 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Since being here, 3 vets have decided they just didn’t want to play anymore. Davis, Incognito and Boldin. Not to mention the Eric Wood disaster. This Defense has been blown off the ball and the field repeatedly. Our oline is the worst in football. Not 1 WR on our team would even start for a good offense. We have started a QB more then once that is responsible for the worst performances in NFL history. We have let Watkins, Gilmore, Glenn, Tyrod, Darby, Woods, Dareus and Goodwin get away and replaced them with garbage. We passed on Watson and Mahomes and then traded up for the most ridiculed prospect in the draft. Our QB group has a combined 1 complete game played and it was today. We are now the worst team in the league....

I am very worried

Coleman didn't want to be here either. For whatever reason stupid trade from the get go. 

[JoeF]

29 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Question is Telfon Juan fired yet. Or The immortal Danny Crossman (only coach i know to survive now three staffs)

I think its because they both have pictures....like this one....

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Way to early to suggest this. As it was last year after they snapped the drought.

 

So far they've gotten rid of good young players from the previous regime and replaced them with worse football players. Some of which have no business starting in the league. Their FA signings look to be awful.

 

I liked a lot of what I saw from Allen too. He seems like a big competitor, but some things bothered me too. I agree if he becomes a good one it will hide the other mistakes the front office and coaching staff make/have made.

 

The jury is way out on all of them though. As of right now this roster is pretty damn bad.... and old. Both of which are self inflicted. How can you be happy with that?

To be clear, I’m not happy with the process. I liked what I saw of Allen. This team is not good but if they found their QB they can succeed. Today was a step forward IMO. I expected this team to be really bad and this year was about Allen. I have hope that we are heading in the right direction.

[TigerJ]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

You might say that Davis 'retiring' is a non-story, but I think there is an underlying problem here.  It appears that veterans are quitting on, or being released from, this team after only two weeks. It'll be interesting to see if this continues.  I'm not sure exactly what to make of it.  On the one hand, it could be selfish on the part of the players, and on the other hand it might be that they see no future with the present leadership of the Bills organization.

I think Vontae Davis retiring is a Vontae Davis issue, not a team issue.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

How do you start a rookie QB behind a line so bad that they don't even understand their blocking responsibilities. A few times today I watched the O linemen and TE, RB completely whiff on blocks. In one case the supposedly good LT chose to block the DT which left the edge rushing in Ingram come completely free, untouched. Meanwhile Ducasse was blocking air because his man was taken.

 

I actually didn't think the pass blocking was terrible today. It could be better and they had a few too many missed assignments. But that's most offensive lines in the NFL. I think we are just below average. There were a lot of plays where he had plenty of time in the pocket.

[Kirby Jackson]

21 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

Thanks for posting, Kirby.  I always enjoy your insights and your posts are one of the reasons I keep coming back here.  It's weird how just because you can see something positive...some potential...some people have to go into attack mode.  And for those who would suggest you are a kool-aid drinker, I would say that I have a distinct memory of you visiting training camp....sometime over the last few years....and watching the quarterbacks and reporting: none of these guys can play.  Maybe it was last year?  not sure....but I'm pretty sure that was you.

 

Love your insights and sources....so please keep it up.

It’s funny some say “you are so negative” and then others yell “quit drinking the kool-aid.” I always think that this place is at its best when people have honest debate. It isn’t always going to be sunshine and rainbows or doom and gloom. It’s somewhere in the middle. We aren’t good now but there are some things that make you feel that the future is going to be bright. It’s certainly early but we may have the QB (and he wasn’t my choice). He has a ways to go but today was a positive to me in terms of Allen.

Edited September 17, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I am amped on this team.  

 

Young core, ton of cap room, and a coach that has proven he can get us to the playoffs.  This is how you build up.  

What’s this young core you talk about?

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

I think Vontae Davis retiring is a Vontae Davis issue, not a team issue.

Thanks. As I said, I’m not sure what to make of it. But I am sure that this isn’t good for management.  Are they that far removed from what’s going on in the minds of their players? It’s only Week Two!

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s funny some say “you are so negative” and then others yell “quit drinking the look-aid.” I always think that this place is at its best when people have honest debate. It isn’t always going to be sunshine and rainbows or doom and gloom. It’s somewhere in the middle. We aren’t good now but there are some things that make you feel that the future is going to be bright. It’s certainly early but we may have the QB (and he wasn’t my choice). He has a ways to go but today was a positive to me in terms of Allen.

 

Last year I said the rams were who we hoped to be in 2 years. One might say handing those picks/$$ to a young innovative and offensive minded head coach that can use both allen and Edmonds/Tre would be a real possibility for how to take the next steps without abandoning course 

[#34fan]

4 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

What’s this young core you talk about?

 

 And who's the coach? -Marvin Lewis?

[Nihilarian]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I actually didn't think the pass blocking was terrible today. It could be better and they had a few too many missed assignments. But that's most offensive lines in the NFL. I think we are just below average. There were a lot of plays where he had plenty of time in the pocket.

Allen was sacked 5 times today and Bosa didn't play. Nobody on Buffalo's side could effectually block Ingram. Bills QB's were sacked 6 times against the Ravens. 

 

The Bills team rushed 22 times for 84 yards, a 3.8 YPA and the only reason that doesn't look so bad is because McCoy broke free for a 27 yard run...once! 

 

Yes, this FO chose the right QB and as the announcer stated he should have been selected #1 overall. It does nothing for the future should this rookie QB not survive this year behind one of the very worst Buffalo Bills offensive line I've ever witnessed. 

 

Another worry is how bad the defense currently is with a CB retiring in the middle of a game. Someone screwed up bigtime with that acquisition. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

You might say that Davis 'retiring' is a non-story, but I think there is an underlying problem here.  It appears that veterans are quitting on, or being released from, this team after only two weeks. It'll be interesting to see if this continues.  I'm not sure exactly what to make of it.  On the one hand, it could be selfish on the part of the players, and on the other hand it might be that they see no future with the present leadership of the Bills organization.

Kyle looked pissed and disrespected. He's the fire and he will keep the house in order. Vontae is a non-story. His body gave out. KB got his TD and a glimmer of hope for the offense. I look for him to step up and not be a quitter.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

There ya go Kirby...keep making lemonade out of those lemons!  So your 'deep throat' source somehow knew BEFORE the final cuts, that one of their starting CBs was going to quit?  Yeah right?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

Actually it was already posted in the other thread that this was know with the screen shots to back it up.

 

The halftime piece was a surprise, but I think the Bills and Vontae knew which is why he sat week 1 and is not for injuries would have probably sat today.  They are trying to get a replacement up to speed.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Allen was sacked 5 times today and Bosa didn't play. Nobody on Buffalo's side could effectually block Ingram. Bills QB's were sacked 6 times against the Ravens. 

 

Allen caused a couple of those sacks himself, not that I expect him to be a savvy veteran at this point. I'm not saying it's great blocking, we clearly need to upgrade every position to the right of Dawkins. But it is sufficient enough to let Allen develop and evaluate him. The much bigger concern IMO is the receiving corps. Allen needs receivers that can win contested catches and I'm not sure we have a single one.

[Kelly the Dog]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Allen caused a couple of those sacks himself, not that I expect him to be a savvy veteran at this point. I'm not saying it's great blocking, we clearly need to upgrade every position to the right of Dawkins. But it is sufficient enough to let Allen develop and evaluate him. The much bigger concern IMO is the receiving corps. Allen needs receivers that can win contested catches and I'm not sure we have a single one.

He avoided more than he caused. 

 

That was a seven or eight sack game for most QBs. 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Kirby, you really have to let it go.  The point I was making was NOT about your credibility!  It was about the fact that apparently the COACHES were not aware.  Got it?

"Let it go!" says guy on internet who has no intention of letting it go.

 

Does your boss know when the guy who sits next to you is interviewing? 

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, COTC said:

No more BS. McDermotts priorities are backwards.  He needs to be fired. No question about it.

Christ, get a grip.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Where are these links where that the bills knew he was going retire mid game?? Not attacking anyone just legitimately curious.

 

Also then why didn't we can him sooner or bring him in for that matter??

 

 

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He avoided more than he caused. 

 

That was a seven or eight sack game for most QBs. 

 

That's a fair point. But there were plays where he had time and still didn't throw the ball, because the receivers weren't getting open even with time. It's mind numbing to tune to the Red Zone channel and see a bunch of circus catches all across the league, and in this game I think our most impressive catch was the fullback. Just about every throw in our offense is a tight window throw.

[SoTier]

58 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Optimism?

 

You don't think Allen has the goods? I think clearly he does. They will fill holes next offseason and we'll compete. I'm very optimistic.

 

I think it's irrelevant whether Allen has the goods or not.  I think he's been set up to fail because McDermott and Beane are going to "fill holes next offseason" with the same kind of trash they've filled them with this past off season because they can't evaluate talent, are clueless when it comes to cap management, and are philosophically  stuck in the 1970s.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's a fair point. But there were plays where he had time and still didn't throw the ball, because the receivers weren't getting open even with time. It's mind numbing to tune to the Red Zone channel and see a bunch of circus catches all across the league, and in this game I think our most impressive catch was the fullback. Just about every throw in our offense is a tight window throw.

Yep. I said this elsewhere but I think maybe we just have to look at him differently than we would anyone else. Take the bad with the good and don't get pissed at him for taking too many sacks IF, and it's a big if, he is making first downs and keeping drives going and scoring points. He didn't do that today. He held it too long too many times. He missed too many throws. But a 20 harder is nothing to him. 3rd and 16 is the same as third and 9. It's okay if he stands in there too long sometimes because he stands in there too long sometimes and then delivers strikes. We all want to accept all the good plays he makes when he waits and waits and then criticize him for the ones that don't work. As if in his first game he is supposed to make the right decision on the rush, with the worst line and worst WR in the league, 90% of the time. 

[stinky finger]

16 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I think it's irrelevant whether Allen has the goods or not.  I think he's been set up to fail because McDermott and Beane are going to "fill holes next offseason" with the same kind of trash they've filled them with this past off season because they can't evaluate talent, are clueless when it comes to cap management, and are philosophically  stuck in the 1970s.

 

Time will tell. I stand by Allen being the guy, however.

[Nihilarian]

38 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Allen caused a couple of those sacks himself, not that I expect him to be a savvy veteran at this point. I'm not saying it's great blocking, we clearly need to upgrade every position to the right of Dawkins. But it is sufficient enough to let Allen develop and evaluate him. The much bigger concern IMO is the receiving corps. Allen needs receivers that can win contested catches and I'm not sure we have a single one.

I don't know that it is. Like I said, Bosa, their best pass rusher didn't play today and I can't imagine the havoc that he would have caused with both him and Ingram playing. 

 

In two games Bills QBs have been sacked 11 times. In Peyton Manning's rookie season he survived because he was sacked only 22 times all season.

 

And yes, a lot might have to do with how bad the Bills receiver corps currently is. Was Corey Coleman that bad that the team trades a draft pick for him, signs him for $$ when the team is strapped. Then cuts him while keeping Kerley...only to cut him too. Lots of mistakes with players and free agents this offseason.