I believe yesterday was a bit of a fluke

[HappyDays]

30 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Go through the schedule and find me 4 wins.  Not happening.  I will gladly eat crow if they get to 4

 

I hope you're right. 6-10 would be terrible. Yesterday made me feel good that the plan is going exactly as it should. Nick Bosa plus 9 other draft picks plus $65 million in cap space plus a year of experience for Josh Allen. Anyone paying attention can see next year is when this thing is supposed to turn on.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

One out of three McProcess losses have been by 20 points or more.

 

And yes, we are definitely a “parody” of an NFL team. In a league with “parity”, you gotta be really trying to be as bad as we are.

read to your children folks... 

 

anyhow.... if your calculations are correct our next 2 losses will be much more competitive. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I just love Bills fans who ride other fans for being "too negative" and then they pivot to this way the plan all along. 

 

Even though their beloved Coach McDermott and GM Beane say all the time that they are trying to win now.

 

I think what you really are seeing is a Coach who honestly thought running the football and playing defense still wins in the NFL. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck

[SoCal Deek]

OK...it's settled...meet back here in six days and we'll all be sure that the Bills are terrible. Got it.

[wiskibreth]

Sorry, I don;t think it's a fluke.  I'm typically fairly optimistic, but what I saw yesterday didn't look like a fluke.  It looked like a High school JV team going against the Varsity. 

 

A rookie QB starting behind a weak O-line.  An aging RB who does not look as quick as he was. Throwing to a lack-luster receiving corp led by a dude who looks like he's half-assing his routes.

And on the other side of the ball...

A non-existent pass-rush, line backed by a rookie Mike, and undersized weak side and an aging slower strong.  The secondary plays way too soft and looses relievers wide open in holes in the zones.

[VADC Bills]

25 minutes ago, zow2 said:

McD is getting pretty good at one thing in Buffalo.  Having his team get blown out!

 

But anyway, I'd go ahead and roll with Allen.  You could see at the game yesterday, his passes have more velocity than Peterman and get there half second quicker which makes all the difference in the world.  Allen's throws from the end zone view had that same look as Flacco's passes.  It seems obvious, but when you see it in person the point gets hammered home that Allen has special physical talent.  Now, when he can read a defense and have good pocket awareness he'll be a good QB,

I was at the game yesterday and I agree when Allen came into the game his passes had more zip like Flacco's. He showed some pocket presence. He also made noticeably quicker decisions and over all looked more comfortable than Peterman who was playing scared. He was better than Peterman in all phases. Let the rookie play, put a FB back there to protect him.

Edited September 10, 2018 by VADC Bills

[MAJBobby]

I also would like to give a shout out to “Culture” and “DNA”. Because of those the players didnt quit by halftime. Oooooo wait Nevermind

Edited September 10, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Peter]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

I also would like to give a shout out to “Culture” and “DNA”. Because of those the players didnt quit by halftime. Oooooo wait Nevermind

 

Apparently the "culture" that McCoach is building is one where our guys get manhandled.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Peter said:

 

Apparently the "culture" that McCoach is building is one where our guys get manhandled.

 

I will always side with Talent over Culture. 

 

This team has alot of good guy Keith Ellisons on it. 

[DuckyBoys]

this Sunday will clarify things.  If the Bills get blown out by the Chargers at home the tank is on.

[Lfod]

The team was dominated in every way. It was definitely a hard game to watch. The team didn't look competitive. They looked like a bad joke. 

 

I'm a Buffalo Bills fan. I'll follow the team this season but that game was beyond the worst case scenario I expected. I thought my team would be bad not an embarrassment. 

[GreggTX]

If by fluke you mean we won't lose by 44 points every week, you are correct. We'll lose by half that many most weeks.

[Billsatlastin2018]

Think you're dead wrong! This was not a fluke and the Bills are a very bad team! They lack NFL calibre talent at virtually EVERY position.

 

The GM has made a complete bust of virtually everything so far, in several cases, giving up draft picks for little or nothing! He isn't the first this entire Millennium!

 

The Coaching I'll pass on so far. They coach trash and they know it.

 

Will they win a few games? Sure- think blind squirrels. 

 

Lucky to be better than 3-13. (From from my own 5-11 Pre season evaluation.)

 

Several prognosticators said this BEFORE the Season began. They were and are correct!

[HappyDays]

50 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think what you really are seeing is a Coach who honestly thought running the football and playing defense still wins in the NFL. 

 

We have spent exactly 0 draft picks on RBs since McDermott took over and we traded up for a QB. We let Gillislee go for a 5th round pick. They know you can find RBs like Murphy in FA. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Steptide]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Except that Taylor is a better QB than Peterman and the OL wasnt missing 5 Pro Bowls across it through 3 starters no longer here.  Anyone who thinks Peterman is better than TT should never post again.  It was time for a change and I think Allen has a great future, so glad we traded TT and got back that 3rd round pick.  But Peterman is not an NFL QB, period. Big difference.  

No where in my original post did I imply Peterman is better than Tyrod. The point was, that even last year when we won 9 games and got to the playoffs, we had a game just as ugly as yesterday. I'd even go as far to say last year's was worse because it was at home, and in the middle of the season when you shouldn't have these kind of games 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

No where in my original post did I imply Peterman is better than Tyrod. The point was, that even last year when we won 9 games and got to the playoffs, we had a game just as ugly as yesterday. I'd even go as far to say last year's was worse because it was at home, and in the middle of the season when you shouldn't have these kind of games 

 

I understand what you were saying, and I stand by my response on why its NOT an equal comparison of last year to this year.  This team is worse than last year, not a fluke performance IMO.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

We have spent exactly 0 draft picks on RBs since McDermott took over and we traded up for a QB. We let Gillislee go for a 5th round pick. They know you can find RBs like Murphy in FA. I don't know what you're talking about.

 

You don't know what I'm talking about?

 

McDermott was asked what his ideal offense is: he said: running the ball and playing physical in snowy Buffalo. 

 

His first OC hire was 900 year old Rick Dennison who ran a 1970's offense. 

 

And if yesterday is any indication, we'll be doing the same this season, dumping the ball off on 3rd and 9, and trying to run McCoy straight into the line out of Shotgun. 

 

 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

If they keep this up, the Bills may warrant "national disaster" status.  This sort of happened with the pre-James Cleveland Cavaliers.  The NBA was so sympathetic to their plight they awarded them an additional first round pick, if I recall correctly.

[Bangarang]

It’s a fluke because Peterman didn’t throw more interceptions.

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

His first OC hire was 900 year old Rick Dennison who ran a 1970's offense. 

 

And if yesterday is any indication, we'll be doing the same this season, dumping the ball off on 3rd and 9, and trying to run McCoy straight into the line out of Shotgun. 

 

Yes and his first fire was also Rick Dennison, who he replaced with a Saban and Belichick disciple. If anything we didn't run the ball enough yesterday. You can criticize plenty of things about this regime so far but they definitely have not overvalued RBs.

[Chuck Wagon]

Getting blown out SHOULD be a fluke (otherwise we'll be the worst team of all time).  But losing?  No, that's no fluke.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Flip Johnson said:

The weather was a huge factor yesterday. The wind and rain made Peterman's noodle arm even more problematic, and the slippery field/ball was part of the reason for the drops and lack of separation.

 

It's not an excuse - obviously both teams had the same circumstances. But in the NFL today with major roster turnover and limited practices it takes all of September to figure out what you have. 

 

Vis a vis the weather, good thing for Peterman that he has a lot of late-season games in Buffalo!

[row_33]

50 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

If by fluke you mean we won't lose by 44 points every week, you are correct. We'll lose by half that many most weeks.

 

some fans here have trouble grasping that Baltimore at home with a decent coach and QB and D is a tough opponent for all 8 visitors

 

[corta765]

I don't think yesterday was a fluke. The team lacks talent and is directionless.

 

I will say though that the defense while they did play pretty poor minus the LB corps go put in impossible positions thanks to the offense and turnovers. Consider:

 

-The 51 yard punt return that immediately put the Ravens on our 20 yard line. 17-0 Ravens

-Peterman INT that put the Ravens on the Bills 29. 20-0 Ravens

-Special Teams blows an easy fumble recovery on the Punt and BAL goes up 26-0

-Bojorquez muffs the punt and the Ravens again have the ball in the Buffalo redzone. 33-0

-Peterman throws another INT and Carr takes it to the Bills 1 yard line. 40-0

 

Don't get me wrong a good defense limits these problems to FG's, but even if you don't include the failed fumble recovery the Ravens scored 27 pts due to turnovers and bad special teams that had them within our own 30 yard line. No defense has a shot in heck good or bad when that is what your dealing with as a defense. The defense if it had any shot needed some good field position to work with especially given it was a bad day as soon as it was 14-0.

 

The defense may turn out to be OK long term, they have some talent, but I am nervous this is just a preview of many games where the defense is on the field a ton in bad field position with no opportunity to even try to stop the bleeding.

[NewEraBills]

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

28 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

You don't know what I'm talking about?

 

McDermott was asked what his ideal offense is: he said: running the ball and playing physical in snowy Buffalo. 

 

His first OC hire was 900 year old Rick Dennison who ran a 1970's offense. 

 

And if yesterday is any indication, we'll be doing the same this season, dumping the ball off on 3rd and 9, and trying to run McCoy straight into the line out of Shotgun. 

 

 

  And there is nothing wrong with this approach if you can do it.  The team that just bashed our heads in is still built like that to a large degree.  They now just have more reliable hands on the perimeter to keep defenses off the run game.  Baltimore will be committed to the run.  The approach is not faulty if you have talent.

[Peter]

1 hour ago, Lfod said:

The team was dominated in every way. It was definitely a hard game to watch. The team didn't look competitive. They looked like a bad joke. 

 

I'm a Buffalo Bills fan. I'll follow the team this season but that game was beyond the worst case scenario I expected. I thought my team would be bad not an embarrassment. 

 

Good point.

 

Not only was the team bad, it was downright embarrassing and painful.

 

I can only imagine what it will be like at the stadium if the team has another bad outing against the Chargers.

[GrizzReaper]

I'm blaming this all on the offense. The line first and foremost bc they we're absolutely putrid. Those dudes should all be ashamed of themselves.

 

Next up is the sorry group who pretend to be NFL wide receivers... Kelvin Benjamin is a scrub. Big and slow and can't catch a cold. Zay Jones is a total bust and waste of oxygen on the field. I don't even know who else we have bc they're so terrible it's not even worth knowing.

 

The defense... Pfft. Our secondary was a straight dumpster fire. The line played on against the run that's about it. That DE Murphy we got from Washington ought to be in jail for stealing $$$ from the bills. That cripple had zero impact on the game.

 

I'm going to stop because I'm ruining my Monday thinking about how horrible this team played yesterday. McDermott fix your damn team you bald headed prick.

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Steptide said:

Yes, we could be the worst team in the NFL. Time will tell, but hear me out a little. 

 

Last year against the saints our starting qb went 9/18 for 56 yards. Our defense gave up 280 yards rushing. We lost the game 47-10, and had a late 4th quarter td by none other than nate Peterman. Ironically had Peterman not come in late in the 4th, the final score would've probably been 47-3, at home. 

 

Yes, yesterday was horrendous, and a terrible way to start the season, but I don't believe what we saw yesterday is gonna be what we see all season. It'll be really interesting to see how the bills respond next week at home 

 

I just need to understand WHY these blowout games happen with such frequency going back to last year...we have had 3 30+ point losses and another 20+ point loss. Add in the Jets 38-24 loss which ended up way closer than the game actually was thanks to 2 garbage time TDs and we have gotten blown out in 5 of the 18 games McDermott has coached. That's unacceptable.

 

Even the Browns who were beyond terrible last year only had 1 loss of 20+ points. How is it that nothing works in any of the 3 phases this often??

Edited September 10, 2018 by matter2003

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, Steptide said:

Yes, we could be the worst team in the NFL. Time will tell, but hear me out a little. 

 

Last year against the saints our starting qb went 9/18 for 56 yards. Our defense gave up 280 yards rushing. We lost the game 47-10, and had a late 4th quarter td by none other than nate Peterman. Ironically had Peterman not come in late in the 4th, the final score would've probably been 47-3, at home. 

 

Yes, yesterday was horrendous, and a terrible way to start the season, but I don't believe what we saw yesterday is gonna be what we see all season. It'll be really interesting to see how the bills respond next week at home 

 

 

...certainly agree.......add in the McD was a rook HC....but I think in his 2nd year, the expectation that he would have this team better prepared is reasonable.......Daboll had no answers nor did Frazier as we got gashed again.....OL/Castillo?...as advertised.......and good Lord just stop with this "we'll have to look at the tape"........hopefully that EVIDENCE was destroyed.....