Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Is this an example of emotional romanticizing? Probably ?. Us stats geeks who deep dive into the salary cap are just emotional romantics at heart ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 7:16 PM, Kelly the Dog said: I know there were extenuating circumstances, and I know we couldn't realistically pay what the Chiefs, Rams and 49ers did. But could you imagine Sammy, Woods and Goodwin along with Shady and the TEs with Josh flinging it all over? Sammy > KB Woods > Zay Marquise > Foster These boys just had to go out and buy their own toys. I feel so bad for Josh. He's starting his NFL career with the worst wr's and oline in the entire league, including college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I hope that Daboll is smart enough to put Shady and Murphy in the backfield at the same time because they are the only receivers worth a damn. Mix and match wheel routes screens and some TE drags to Croom or Clay. Make it simple for the rookie and high percentage. Maybe they can move the ball. But then again what do my eyes know .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 11:24 AM, Chuck Wagon said: Dez is the exact same player as Benjamin, only much more delusional and much more of a distraction. Both Benjamin and Dez are slot guys who masquerade as outside WRs. We have no one on the roster who can win outside or vertically. Dez (or Maclin) doesn't solve that, it's just another name people know. KB couldn't hold dez's jock strap. especially '11-14 dez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Benjamin played like a kitty on Sunday and anyone watching the game saw it. I understand that there was a ton to focus on; the o-line, P-man, the defense, but what about the totally soft game played by Benjamin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Another game like that and he will have to wear a clown suit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Benjamin played like a kitty on Sunday and anyone watching the game saw it. I understand that there was a ton to focus on; the o-line, P-man, the defense, but what about the totally soft game played by Benjamin? Media has been all over him actually. They even brought up his lackluster play to McD (who didn't see a problem with it) and again yesterday where McD said both Benjamin and Clay need to step it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Is it too early for the bag heads? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elcrusho Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I haven't heard biotch since 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 We need a sub-forum for the anti-media conspiracy threads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 This same obvious lack of effort worked for other Bills ‘stars’ in the past. Boldin, Leinart, Mario and Dareus all used it as a ticket out of WNY. A couple of them before they were ever assigned a locker! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 teams get rid of players for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: This same obvious lack of effort worked for other Bills ‘stars’ in the past. Boldin, Leinart, Mario and Dareus all used it as a ticket out of WNY. A couple of them before they were ever assigned a locker! Honestly, I had thought about this too...could be something to it. Then again, it is a contract year, and you would think he'd want to play his best. Edited September 13, 2018 by HamSandwhich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Media has been all over him actually. They even brought up his lackluster play to McD (who didn't see a problem with it) and again yesterday where McD said both Benjamin and Clay need to step it up. Show me one article focusing on his play, calling him out in the headline. I hope that there is one, but I searched and couldn't find it. 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: We need a sub-forum for the anti-media conspiracy threads. Conspiracy thread? Tell me how you feel he play coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 10 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: KB couldn't hold dez's jock strap. especially '11-14 dez. I wasn't aware we had a time machine. Dez is washed and can't win outside. KB isn't washed but still can't win outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Honestly, I had thought about this too...could be something to it. Then again, it is a contract year, and you would think he'd want to play his best. Sunday’s performance looked like a guy who didn’t want to play at all...let alone his best. Quality players are in short supply around the league...he’ll get a Contract somewhere no matter how he looks this year. The key for him is to avoid injury. PS: I hope I’m wrong! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: Show me one article focusing on his play, calling him out in the headline. I hope that there is one, but I searched and couldn't find it. Well you can watch the McDermott presses from Monday and yesterday for starters. Also literally every media guy that did a game review (Joe B for instance) directly calls out his play. As far as calling him out in headlines that wasn't a part of your OP, not sure if his name appears in the headline. However the criticism of his play is out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: I wasn't aware we had a time machine. Dez is washed and can't win outside. KB isn't washed but still can't win outside. Dez is still better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, elcrusho said: I haven't heard biotch since 2007 sorry, i hate the way B word looks once it gets rehashed by the naughty word filter. Just now, No Place To Hyde said: Well you can watch the McDermott presses from Monday and yesterday for starters. Also literally every media guy that did a game review (Joe B for instance) directly calls out his play. As far as calling him out in headlines that wasn't a part of your OP, not sure if his name appears in the headline. However the criticism of his play is out there. I'm interested in finding something in whatever form that focuses on the play of Benjamin. That isn't a question or even multiple questions. Is there anything out there that is focusing on Benjamin's play on Sunday? I'm sorry that my OP wasn't up to your standards. I'll try harder. Keep focusing on the messenger, not the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I was watching the game in a crowded Sports Bar - even in that environment I could KB was taking the afternoon off. He needs to be a monster and win the battles for the ball. I thought he gave up on the 2nd interception, bad ball but no urgency on his part to break up the play or to even make the tackle afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Because people want to believe Cam is a bad QB and somehow KB rookie year happened so he's AJ Green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Because people want to believe Cam is a bad QB and somehow KB rookie year happened so he's AJ Green? Half the planet is mimicking his signature move after they score and ‘people want to believe’ Cam is a bad QB? OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 59 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Benjamin played like a kitty on Sunday and anyone watching the game saw it. I understand that there was a ton to focus on; the o-line, P-man, the defense, but what about the totally soft game played by Benjamin? he got 2 game balls i hear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Half the planet is mimicking his signature move after they score and ‘people want to believe’ Cam is a bad QB? OK It's the media saying he's not a good QB, not the kids who look up to him. They run with these stories about KB saying he's bad. They do entire media shows saying Cam's the reason they lose. They never talk about line play or receiver play when it comes to Cam. Edited September 13, 2018 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Benjamin played like a kitty on Sunday and anyone watching the game saw it. I understand that there was a ton to focus on; the o-line, P-man, the defense, but what about the totally soft game played by Benjamin? Here you go: https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/sals-sticks-bills-ravens Also, McD was asked specifically in press conference yesterday about KB - do you need more from him (and Charles Clay)? mcD: Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 He would be an elite number 2 on a team with a star number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 56 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Media has been all over him actually. They even brought up his lackluster play to McD (who didn't see a problem with it) and again yesterday where McD said both Benjamin and Clay need to step it up. I'm assuming (and seriously hoping) this is one of those instances where McD chooses not to publicly throw a player under the bus, but behind closed doors holds him 100% accountable for his piss-poor play. Because if McD REALLY didn't see a problem with KB's performance Sunday then he may be in way over his head as a coach in this league. I don't know what was worse regarding KB's play Sunday, his multiple drops(which included what SHOULD'VE been his easiest catch of the day and the rookie's first TD pass), his failure to compete for balls that were still catchable, OR his utter "could care less" attitude which was on display the entire game. I fully admit that I personally wanted to see some form of emotion from him, particularly after dropping that TD, and the fact that he showed nothing ticked me off something fierce. 52 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Sunday’s performance looked like a guy who didn’t want to play at all...let alone his best. Quality players are in short supply around the league...he’ll get a Contract somewhere no matter how he looks this year. The key for him is to avoid injury. PS: I hope I’m wrong! Agree. However, if he plays this way all year, I'll be shocked to see him get any offer more than a one year prove it kinda deal, for more than 6 or 7 mil. His excuse last year was he was returning from an ACL. He'll have nothing to blame another sh!tty year on. I have confidence Allen can get plenty of good balls his way. My hope is that if he finally starts getting some reliable and consistent looks that he finds the motivation to step his game up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Here you go: https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/sals-sticks-bills-ravens Also, McD was asked specifically in press conference yesterday about KB - do you need more from him (and Charles Clay)? mcD: Absolutely OK, Sal gave him a paragraph, I guess I need to be satisfied with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 5:29 PM, Fadingpain said: No ****. Been saying that since the day we acquired him, as has Mike Schopp, by the way! Hugely overrated by this board. Im with you on this one hated the trade from day 1. hes lazy and didn't like how he took plays off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Wsam4031 said: Im with you on this one hated the trade from day 1. hes lazy and didn't like how he took plays off. I can be upset with the lack of talent along the o-line. Like you, I cannot accept someone with talent dogging it. He needs to be made inactive if this crap continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I had refused to open this thread for so long because those declaring he is not a #1 now we're those mocking me for this argument when we traded for him. Dude is an ideal #3 WR. That's it. A career #3 and a damn good one at that depth. You need a Antonio Brown. Then you need a Bob Woods. And then you need to find a Marquise Goodwin type for your #4. Then you get a #5 off the bench that can play all spots, Donald Jones type. Anyone ever thinking this guy was talented enough to be a #1 was delusional or doesn't know football. Y'all should be eating crow. Not trying to serve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 5:36 PM, zevo said: Def not worth 10 mill plus per As a point of reference here is what Spotrac says: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/kelvin-benjamin-14437/market-value/ I am not saying that I agree with this mind you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 He plays more like #2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) On 9/10/2018 at 9:54 AM, HeHateMe said: Weren't these all old regime guys save for Edmunds. Geez! Get with the program. If they were good, they were not picked by Whaley, it was really a McD pick. If they were bad picks, it was Whaley's fault for them and for the mess he left behind for them to clean up. It also was McD's first year and Beane's first year, so they automatically get a pass, they were still using training wheels. And they were properly focused on the "process" which said that the main purpose in the 17 & 18 seasons was sacrificing 17 & 18 to generate lots of late round picks in 19 and 20 and taking out any "garbage" they did not personally create so they could create huge cap space in 19 & 20. This year is their year one. And it is way to early to judge it yet. It is all part of the greatly, bigly, magically brilliant "process" that must extend 5 or more years before you are allowed to judge it. Don't be so impatient and prematurely critical! All hail the all powerful "Process! Edited September 13, 2018 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Yikes... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/12/zay-jones-mother-tweets-kelvin-benjamin-needs-help-lining-up/ Quote Zay Jones’ mother tweets Kelvin Benjamin needs help lining up A Buffalo-based reporter tweeted about Zay Jones playing 94 percent of the offensive snaps in the season opener. That prompted Jones’ mother to reply, “[regarding] Jones, who else is skilled enough to play all Wide out positions AND tell [Kelvin] Benjamin where to line up too?”... Edit: Just saw there is a whole thread dedicated to this story. Of course Yolo or 26 broke the news right away, I shouldve known. Edited September 13, 2018 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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