Big Turk Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Big C said: There is virtually no difference between a 7th round pick and a lot of UDFA. True. In some cases the UDFA's are actually better. Most 7th round picks are taken because they possess "freak" athleticism, whether its speed, strength, etc and coaches "hope" they can turn them into football players whereas a lot of UDFA's are actually good football players with not so great measurables...those guys typically tend to do better in real games than the "freaks" who are often one-trick ponies. Edited September 1, 2018 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Joe BuscagliaVerified account @JoeBuscaglia 1h1 hour ago #Bills have released T Mo Porter, per source. But the Bills appear to have kept Larry (Vlad) and Curly (John Miller).... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: True. In some cases the UDFA's are actually better. Most 7th round picks are taken because they possess "freak" athleticism, whether its speed, strength, etc and coaches "hope" they can turn them into football players whereas a lot of UDFA's are actually good football players with not so great measurables...those guys typically tend to do better in real games than the "freaks" who are often one-trick ponies. Sixth and seventh rounders and the first 50 or more UDFA are indistinguishable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Honestly, with how bad he looked this pre-season, it would be a little surprising but not shocking to see him cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Bills gonna keep two punters... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Sixth and seventh rounders and the first 50 or more UDFA are indistinguishable. Considering that Coleman lost his spot to a UDFA ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Sixth and seventh rounders and the first 50 or more UDFA are indistinguishable. That is simply not true...they ARE distinguishable...very distinguishable...as far as looking at combine numbers go they are at least..I was working on a football game and did huge amounts of research(including having the most comprehensive listing of combine stats in one place with almost 7000 players) and 7th round picks are almost ALWAYS "freak" type players. Flyers on uncoachable or untrainable skills but often times not very good at actually playing football. 6th rounders are typically more along the lines of the UDFA players that they are good "football" players but with not great measurables...6th rounders measurables are better than the UDFA's measurables tho by and in large. Edited September 1, 2018 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 36 minutes ago, DrDare said: Wow I thought Reilly was released for Streater, but we are saying Robert Foster is better than Reilly? He’s got better speed for the NFL game. May not pan out, but with Coleman flaming out there is precious little top end speed among this WR corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm27 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Is there really a reason to keep 2 punters (assuming that’s what they’re doing)? Can’t you always just sign one off the street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: He’s got better speed for the NFL game. May not pan out, but with Coleman flaming out there is precious little top end speed among this WR corps. Zay has good speed but he doesn't seem to have the burst or acceleration to use it well enough...takes him too long to get to top speed and by that point the play is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Honestly, with how bad he looked this pre-season, it would be a little surprising but not shocking to see him cut. He was absolutely talking about other players, not himself. Even if he is bad this year he was brought in to start and they don't really have a choice right now unless Johnson develops fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ksm27 said: Is there really a reason to keep 2 punters (assuming that’s what they’re doing)? Can’t you always just sign one off the street? No, they'll cut one of them by 4:00 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: That is simply not true...they ARE distinguishable...I was working on a football game and did huge amounts of research(including having the most comprehensive listing of combine stats in one place with almost 7000 players) and 7th round picks are almost ALWAYS "freak" type players. Flyers on uncoachable or untrainable skills but often times not very good at actually playing football. I just meant how they turn out and whether they get to be eventual decent or even good NFL players. Totally agree that the ones drafted are freakish at one thing or athletic, etc, and drafters take chances on them over guys without the gifts but are just good if not very good football players. I ONLY meant the chance of them becoming good is the same. You're right on the difference you noted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ksm27 said: Is there really a reason to keep 2 punters (assuming that’s what they’re doing)? Can’t you always just sign one off the street? There are still 15-20 cuts left to be made. They won't keep two punters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisonbreath123 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Reilly and Prohl on their way as we speak. This. It seems many have posted Reilly as the second coming of Steve Largent. Everyone knows that the Pats have done well with caucasian slot receivers and every time a team lets one go (Chris Hogan) we have a WNY panic attack. Reilly is a fringe player and if he was all that the Bills would love to keep him. I want the Bills to win many Super Bowls and if it takes small moves forward to climb to the top of that mountain I will be patient with the present FO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: Zay has good speed but he doesn't seem to have the burst or acceleration to use it well enough...takes him too long to get to top speed and by that point the play is over. Agree with that assessment. I’m not confident he will pan out at all. Hasn’t shown much to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Bisonbreath123 said: This. It seems many have posted Reilly as the second coming of Steve Largent. Everyone knows that the Pats have done well with caucasian slot receivers and every time a team lets one go (Chris Hogan) we have a WNY panic attack. Reilly is a fringe player and if he was all that the Bills would love to keep him. I want the Bills to win many Super Bowls and if it takes small moves forward to climb to the top of that mountain I will be patient with the present FO. I don't get the love for Reilly at all, seems like just another guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: His signing bonus money was eaten by CLE. The 3.5 million was guaranteed salary money for 2018 and 2019. The 3.5 million is all dead money this year. As of now Bill's have 8.4 cap space left. Not much to do anything. This is not good news!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm pretty sure Bodine has never played guard. Then obviously Groy would be flipped to G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said: This is not good news!!! Who are we signing that will take up that much space? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: I just meant how they turn out and whether they get to be eventual decent or even good NFL players. Totally agree that the ones drafted are freakish at one thing or athletic, etc, and drafters take chances on them over guys without the gifts but are just good if not very good football players. I ONLY meant the chance of them becoming good is the same. You're right on the difference you noted. Yeah you are pretty much correct on that...I'll have to go back and check, I have all the career AV stats for these players from the start of the combine(18 years worth) from Pro Football Reference and I am pretty sure there are no major differences in what you noted... 7th round picks usually fail because they don't have he basic skills needed to be a good football player and UDFA's fail because they don't have the size/strength/speed necessary to compete physically...I'd be willing to bet the percentage of UDFA's that make it in the CFL is higher than 7th round picks. 2 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: This is not good news!!! Who cares? They aren't spending 8.5 million on anything this year and the dead cap money will be gone next year. Completely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Big C said: There are still 15-20 cuts left to be made. They won't keep two punters. All the cuts have already been made, they just aren't releasing names quickly, is all. I'm sure the league office already has all the moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: This is not good news!!! Only if you just found out. This has been the situation for Months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, ksm27 said: Is there really a reason to keep 2 punters (assuming that’s what they’re doing)? Can’t you always just sign one off the street? You trade one one for a pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bisonbreath123 said: This. It seems many have posted Reilly as the second coming of Steve Largent. Everyone knows that the Pats have done well with caucasian slot receivers and every time a team lets one go (Chris Hogan) we have a WNY panic attack. Reilly is a fringe player and if he was all that the Bills would love to keep him. So true. Reminds me of some random idiot that called in to the John Murphy show ( I know , state radio ) a couple weeks ago. Said the Bills need more of what New England has done by using white WR’s ! Lol dumbest thing ever. He kept qualifying it by saying it was nothing to do with race but they really need white WRs. Hilarious, when what the Bills have really needed was a QB more similar to New England’s. 6 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: I don't get the love for Reilly at all, seems like just another guy Bills fans love JAG s Edited September 1, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, ngbills said: Bills gonna keep two punters... ...and both will be on the field for all punts! Kind of a wildcat punt situation. Thinking outside the box and trend setting! 2 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: This is not good news!!! Nope, if a decent veteran lineman gets cut for cap reasons Bill's might not have enough to bid on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: All the cuts have already been made, they just aren't releasing names quickly, is all. I'm sure the league office already has all the moves. Semantics. My point was that there were several cuts yet to be announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Yeah you are pretty much correct on that...I'll have to go back and check, I have all the career AV stats for these players from the start of the combine(18 years worth) from Pro Football Reference and I am pretty sure there are no major differences in what you noted... 7th round picks usually fail because they don't have he basic skills needed to be a good football player and UDFA's fail because they don't have the size/strength/speed necessary to compete physically...I'd be willing to bet the percentage of UDFA's that make it in the CFL is higher than 7th round picks. Right. Anyone lower than the third round has some fairly large question mark to their game. Not saying anyone 1-3 doesnt, only that if you are picked in the 4th or 5th round they are just hoping against hope you're going to become a starter. Any random season you look back on the fifth round and there just are not many good players that come out of it. There are what, 80 or so players taken in the 6th and 7th round. All of them have huge question marks. And many if not most are like you described, have one special skill or talent or measurable. But the chances of them being in the league and contributing three years later are very small. And the only reason a lot of them have jobs is because their GM doesn't want to admit he made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) With kerley, Benjamin, and Jones most likely being the 3 starting WRs, I would think Peterman would be a good fit considering he is fairly accurate and gets the ball out quickly. None of these three are going to separate based on speed so it will be up to Dabol to game plan to get these guys open on quick crossing routes with play action, etc. Just get the ball in their hands and have them make a play. Edited September 1, 2018 by richardb1952 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: This is not good news!!! Actually it is not news at all, it was always the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm27 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: No, they'll cut one of them by 4:00 Agree, I just saw some roster predictions that had both making it which seems like a wasted spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, White Linen said: Only if you just found out. This has been the situation for Months. I just found out because it just happened this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Big C said: He was absolutely talking about other players, not himself. Even if he is bad this year he was brought in to start and they don't really have a choice right now unless Johnson develops fast. Oh I know that, but I was just saying he shouldn't be talking with how bad he was haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Actually it is not news at all, it was always the case. So what was our cap space before releasing Coleman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, JoeF said: Joe BuscagliaVerified account @JoeBuscaglia 1h1 hour ago #Bills have released T Mo Porter, per source. But the Bills appear to have kept Larry (Vlad) and Curly (John Miller).... I guess what they actually wanted was Les Porter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Mo Porter mo problems 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Ravens released Perriman, a former first-round WR. We could bring him in. Although, he would have to make it through waivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 They are keeping Robert Foster. He hasn't been stellar, but I guess he's done enough to warrant staying over Coleman, and Kaelin Clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Watkins90 said: Ravens released Perriman, a former first-round WR. We could bring him in. Although, he would have to make it through waivers. except waivers would be how he gets here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Watkins90 said: Ravens released Perriman, a former first-round WR. We could bring him in. Although, he would have to make it through waivers. I think he can make it through waivers twice, but only cause he is not very good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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