The Red King Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Let me translate the original post... "Stop being excited about the Bills! Everyone should think they're awful like I do." On paper, the Bills D was not good last year. Hell, the Bills outright on paper were not good. But paper doesn't play football. We got to 9-7 and a playoff spot despite what the paper said. We held the Jags to 10 points on their own field, despite what the paper said. Stop looking at the team on paper. Let's wait for the regular season to start before passing judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Can we please stop this nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Yeezy trying to reclaim the Lord of All Trolls title from Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 39 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: This is all based off of last week vs. the Browns'...you can admit it. That's what I'm thinking as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Red King said: Let me translate the original post... "Stop being excited about the Bills! Everyone should think they're awful like I do." On paper, the Bills D was not good last year. Hell, the Bills outright on paper were not good. But paper doesn't play football. We got to 9-7 and a playoff spot despite what the paper said. We held the Jags to 10 points on their own field, despite what the paper said. Stop looking at the team on paper. Let's wait for the regular season to start before passing judgement. Here’s the flip side: We must have GREAT coaches! I’ll wait to see them play before having any strong opinions about this year’s team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I wouldn't use overrated as how I would describe our defense but I would say it is still a work in progress...in the sense that there are still holes to be filled and they will continue to build it up over the next couple years. I think we are on our way to having a legit top 5 defense but not expecting it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I agree with the others who say theres very little we know now. What really matters is to go 4-4 while your team is growing into something good. Whether they will do that depends on too much that is unknowable today. What will Edmund's be like in the second half? Davis? Murphy? Philip's? A half dozen others? What we do know is that the Bill's have a good defensive coach, and that's the single most important factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Yeezy trying to reclaim the Lord of All Trolls title from Sky Diver I may have something to say about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Just now, Troll Toll said: I may have something to say about that! I don't even know who you are. You gotta work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, TPS said: This time I actually agree, especially when I see people saying top 5, or even 10. This D was 26th in yards last year. They will be better, and a jump up to the middle IS a significant jump. Top 5 is dreaming, especially when you look at lack of depth in a couple key spots. This team was at the league average in scoring defense. Many players are back for their second season in the system. Plenty of reasons it could be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 How bout they play a couple of games at least before you critique the defense? This is a new season coming up, righ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: I don't even know who you are. You gotta work. Oh yeah! I think the Bills defense is going to be worse than a Yeezy thread and as solid as Joe’s stool... errm... 6 pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Troll Toll said: Oh yeah! I think the Bills defense is going to be worse than a Yeezy thread and as solid as Joe’s stool... errm... 6 pack. If I could, I'd give that three thumbs down. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: For voicing an opinion you disagree with? Why are you not banned? Read the mod's statement above. You're another fail troll on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: I may have something to say about that! Y'all need to step up your game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Y'all need to step up your game! It’s tough when Joesickpecker keeps ramming it down my throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: It’s tough when Joesickpecker keeps ramming it down my throat. rookie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: It’s tough when Joesickpecker keeps ramming it down my throat. Close your mouth or bite it off. Problem solved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Rocky Landing said: rookie... I'll cut him some slack. He needs to read Sky Diver's thread to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: I'll cut him some slack. He needs to read Sky Diver's thread to learn. Wily Dog has me on the hook on another thread. Can't seem to get that hook out of my cheek.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: This team was at the league average in scoring defense. Many players are back for their second season in the system. Plenty of reasons it could be good. 18th in points and 26th in yards. You want to focus on points. Will they have as much success in takeaways? Will the O be worse in TOs with a new QB, because that will also play into Ppg given up. I think They will be better, but I don’t think they will jump to top 5. Even Top 10 would be a Great Leap Forward. I hope it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 There is cause for concern. The secondary is legit although if Davis gets hurt or gets old (Even though he isn't that old he has played for a long time and he has a significant injury history) the corner back position could look dicey. The front 7 could go either way. Edumonds is raw but one hell of an athlete, Milano showed flashes last year the team only needs him to be decent and Lorax is a strong side vet who should be able to provide decent play. But the LB core rests on Edumonds young shoulders. The D-line looks stout over the middle. Star should be a capable run defender, Henry is looking like a young stud and Kyle Williams should be a rotational player. The pass rush has Hughes who is a player who you should be able to expect a better season from, Shaq is a young player with upside having a good pre-season, Murphy a nice veteran addition (although he is hurt which is concerning) and there are also other younger players on the edge. Overall I think the defensive optimism stems from confidence in the coaching staff and front office more so than anything else. The talent is there but depth is lacking and there are some questions esp in the front 7, but people seem to think that the coaching will be able to develop these players and find the best fits talent wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Can you atleast wait til week one to start your complaining about everything threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 46 minutes ago, Dopey said: How bout they play a couple of games at least before you critique the defense? This is a new season coming up, righ?! He's criticizing the people who say it's going to be a top 5 or 10 D, who also say this without seeing a few games first. He raises legitimate questions, for once..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, TPS said: He's criticizing the people who say it's going to be a top 5 or 10 D, who also say this without seeing a few games first. He raises legitimate questions, for once..... Now you see, troll toll? This is how it's done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Your right. I'm concerned with our pass rush. But we should be improved in the middle with DL and mlb I'd say top 15 at least how'd we do last week with run defense. says a contrarian with an honest viable point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 46 minutes ago, TPS said: 18th in points and 26th in yards. You want to focus on points. Will they have as much success in takeaways? Will the O be worse in TOs with a new QB, because that will also play into Ppg given up. I think They will be better, but I don’t think they will jump to top 5. Even Top 10 would be a Great Leap Forward. I hope it happens. I agree with you. But points defense is what matters, not yards, and second half defense really matters, and Bills were good at that. I don't know what will happen, but your great leap forward to 10 is possible. Three potentially good additions on the line, a potentially great addition at middle linebacker, and a returning solid secondary. No reason that group can't be better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 The OP makes some decent points. I do think the LB’s could be a weak spot with Tremaine going through some growing pains. I also do think that the pass rush is somewhat suspect. We know what Jerry Hughes can do but it doesn’t look like Shaq will ever be a big time pass rusher. The Bills are hoping Trent Murphy can give them a lift but he has yet to take a pre-season snap. I disagree on the secondary - I think that White is a solid CB and Davis is still capable on the other side. Hyde and Poyer are also very good. The starting secondary is easily the strength of the defense. Sure the depth is somewhat questionable and injuries could have a huge effect but you can say that at any position in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 It's not that different than last year. Upgraded a little on the d-line. I expect a little better than last year which is middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 It's only overrated here on these boards. Just what fans tend to do. Overrate their own team/players while simultaneously being upset they're not getting the recognition they deserve. This defense will probably play fairly similar to last season's D. Doesn't look like the run-D has improved much, but it's gotta be better than it was right??? Even just a little... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Booooo-urns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I did a quick search of preseason predictions. USA Today - Bills rate 26th (the "concerning" tier) - https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/06/nfl-rankings-defenses-units-vikings-jaguars-eagles-rams Bleacher Report - Bills rated as 19th best defense preseason - https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2773486-power-ranking-every-nfl-defense-post-draft#slide14 NFL Network - Bills don't make the Top 9 - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000947797/article/nfls-best-defenses-in-2018-jaguars-vikings-absolutely-loaded The Sporting News (this one is a fantasy football ranking) - Bills rank 19th - http://www.sportingnews.com/us/fantasy/sport/news/fantasy-football-defense-rankings-2018-cheat-sheet-dst-sleepers-busts-projections-draft-strategy-draft-kit/21vdvmb334z51d1ug8ucwh3d7 So who are these people "overrating" the Bills defense? Where are they hiding their secret high ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I did a quick search of preseason predictions. USA Today - Bills rate 26th (the "concerning" tier) - https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/06/nfl-rankings-defenses-units-vikings-jaguars-eagles-rams Bleacher Report - Bills rated as 19th best defense preseason - https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2773486-power-ranking-every-nfl-defense-post-draft#slide14 NFL Network - Bills don't make the Top 9 - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000947797/article/nfls-best-defenses-in-2018-jaguars-vikings-absolutely-loaded The Sporting News (this one is a fantasy football ranking) - Bills rank 19th - http://www.sportingnews.com/us/fantasy/sport/news/fantasy-football-defense-rankings-2018-cheat-sheet-dst-sleepers-busts-projections-draft-strategy-draft-kit/21vdvmb334z51d1ug8ucwh3d7 So who are these people "overrating" the Bills defense? Where are they hiding their secret high ratings? Bills fans, of course. We do it every year! GO BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Agree with first post...no real reason to believe we'll be that good. Tough go of stopping the run and rushing the passer is most likely scenario. Hopefully our redzone defense and turnover ratio is good again...could be wrong though! Go Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Yeah. Pressure and sacks are an issue. Hopefully Mack would substantially improve this D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 we have played two games of preseason and we haven't even finalized the roster yet. Lighten up Francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Troll Toll said: I may have something to say about that! I would suggest that you do not try. And on that note... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chandler#81 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 10 hours ago, joesixpack said: I'll cut him some slack. Youre a better man than me. I didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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