BruceVilanch Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 11 hours ago, 1st&ten said: Who the hell is Andy Benoit ? Is this what I'm missing out on by not being on twitter. Twitter is good for up to the minute injury updates if you follow the right people, it helps a lot for fantasy football. It's also good for me because I work nights and I get to see Trumps late night drunk tweets right when they happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 De-Nial isn't just a river in Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said: Twitter is good for up to the minute injury updates if you follow the right people, it helps a lot for fantasy football. It's also good for me because I work nights and I get to see Trumps late night drunk tweets right when they happen. I’m not sure if you’re aware or not but the President doesn’t drink and never has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 A reasonable person can predict a Bills regression. While I believe they will be closer to 8-8, there are legit concerns. What I do not understand is how Miami and NYJ can be seen as that much better than the Bills. They also have significant warts that will hinder their win total. This makes his Bills projection less understandable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 17 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Is this real life? Allen’s ceiling is higher than Newton’s? The guy who dominated the SEC, won a heisman and national championship, set rookie passing records, went 15-1, won MVP, and went to the SB? At least, you have realistic expectations! ? Even if there's only a 1% chance it happens, Josh does have a higher ceiling in my opinion. Let's leave college accolades out of NFL evals- they aren't relevant unless we want to bring back Tebow, Colt McCoy, or Vince Young. I know Josh had had troubles with accuracy (or at least comp%), but he is raw. Let's talk about Cam for a minute. Yes, broke rookie passing record- but never matched that 4000 mark again, and had 21/17 TD/INT. On top of that he has only topped 60% completion twice (career comp% 58.5%), and throws picks like crazy (career 158/94 TD/INT). While leading the Panthers, they have had 3 winning years and 4 losing years, good less than 50% of the time. Yes he got an MVP but is wildly inconsistent, and really is not even top-10 QBs in the league right now. Also, let's not pretend you have to be a great QB to get to a SB- I watched Kaep and Flacco in one. Though I know you don't want to lend him any credence- Josh is prototype size (much like Cam), but has a much stronger arm, and Josh is not a me-first d-bag. Everyone talks about how hard Josh works and studies, but with Cam you get an arrogant elitist who couldn't seem to stop stealing things in college. People don't like Cam. I'm not trying to slam him, but... Character wise he is miles behind Josh Arm strength wise he is behind Josh Which means IF (and it's a BIG if) Josh realizes his potential, he has a chance to be much better than the perrenially overrated Carolina QB at least as a thrower/QB though he will never be as good of a RB as Cam or TuhRod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 22 hours ago, TroutDog said: Not to knock Benoit, but how much actual understanding of the Bills can he have from Idaho? He can certainly read and watch some video but that’s a far cry from being there in person. Always interesting to to hear an ‘outsiders’ take, though. Astro Notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 22 hours ago, TroutDog said: Not to knock Benoit, but how much actual understanding of the Bills can he have from Idaho? He can certainly read and watch some video but that’s a far cry from being there in person. Always interesting to to hear an ‘outsiders’ take, though. It's 2018 and this shouldn't even be an actual question given all of the ways to follow/watch a team to become familiar with personnel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 It's easy to create the narrative you want to support your conclusion. He wanted to conclude the Bills will be bad, and maybe they will be. But he skews the argument in multiple ways to make his point. He says the Bills were horrible in yards gained and yards allowed. True. But they were much, much better in points scored and points allowed. The NFL is not a yards league, it's a points league. He says the Bills were lucky because of McD's coaching. Well, maybe he's just a very good coach. He ignores the possibility that Allen could be really good. He ignores that the offensive line returns three starters and in Miller and Grey have two guys with substantial experience. He just chooses to write about the things that COULD be bad to prove that the BIlls WILL be bad. 3 hours ago, Shotgunner said: Even if there's only a 1% chance it happens, Josh does have a higher ceiling in my opinion. Let's leave college accolades out of NFL evals- they aren't relevant unless we want to bring back Tebow, Colt McCoy, or Vince Young. I know Josh had had troubles with accuracy (or at least comp%), but he is raw. Let's talk about Cam for a minute. Yes, broke rookie passing record- but never matched that 4000 mark again, and had 21/17 TD/INT. On top of that he has only topped 60% completion twice (career comp% 58.5%), and throws picks like crazy (career 158/94 TD/INT). While leading the Panthers, they have had 3 winning years and 4 losing years, good less than 50% of the time. Yes he got an MVP but is wildly inconsistent, and really is not even top-10 QBs in the league right now. Also, let's not pretend you have to be a great QB to get to a SB- I watched Kaep and Flacco in one. Though I know you don't want to lend him any credence- Josh is prototype size (much like Cam), but has a much stronger arm, and Josh is not a me-first d-bag. Everyone talks about how hard Josh works and studies, but with Cam you get an arrogant elitist who couldn't seem to stop stealing things in college. People don't like Cam. I'm not trying to slam him, but... Character wise he is miles behind Josh Arm strength wise he is behind Josh Which means IF (and it's a BIG if) Josh realizes his potential, he has a chance to be much better than the perrenially overrated Carolina QB at least as a thrower/QB though he will never be as good of a RB as Cam or TuhRod. It's a lot better than 1%. perennially overrated is right. Newton seems to be effectively only of he runs often, and even then he isn't great. Allen almost certainly is a better thrower. He's smarter. His ego is in check. I wouldn't trade Allen for Newton even up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 Just now, Shaw66 said: It's easy to create the narrative you want to support your conclusion. He wanted to conclude the Bills will be bad, and maybe they will be. But he skews the argument in multiple ways to make his point. He says the Bills were horrible in yards gained and yards allowed. True. But they were much, much better in points scored and points allowed. The NFL is not a yards league, it's a points league. He says the Bills were lucky because of McD's coaching. Well, maybe he's just a very good coach. He ignores the possibility that Allen could be really good. He ignores that the offensive line returns three starters and in Miller and Grey have two guys with substantial experience. He just chooses to write about the things that COULD be bad to prove that the BIlls WILL be bad. Turnover differential accounted for much of this. Can they repeat at that level? He's right about the Bills' 2018 OL as much as you try to paint a rosy picture. He's paid to offer his opinion based on the talent on hand rather than an optimistic forecast that Bills' fans want to read about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheBrownBear Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Can't really disagree with his take. Our roster is pretty pitiful, but it's not really any worse than last season. We really only have three things going for us: Culture, coaching and LeSean McCoy. Last year's playoff appearance was manna from heaven for the fanbase, but I've always viewed this as a 2-3 year rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 8-23: MMQB's Andy Benoit on One Bills Live (14:23) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Just heard a little bit of him on One Bills Live and was impressed with his knowledge of offensive scheming. Not a fan of his 4 win prediction for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, The Jerk said: No, no, no. Different Benoit. Let's be clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 22 hours ago, DCOrange said: We'll have to agree to disagree. The Bills O-Line was looked at as a top 10 unit last year and it's potentially the worst in the league this year. For example, PFF had them ranked as the 7th best in the league by the end of the season last year and has them ranked #29 entering the season. Tyrod was roughly an average to above average starter last year, and more importantly, he protected the ball at an astonishing rate (sometimes to the team's detriment). That ability to protect the ball, coupled with the defense forcing turnovers at an elite rate, is pretty much the only things that Buffalo really did well last season. Even with McCoy and a good O-Line, they didn't run the ball all that well. Obviously they didn't pass it that well either, but the fact that they didn't turn the ball over and also forced turnovers at a huge rate was easily the biggest factor in the team winning 9 games. That just isn't going to happen this year. I'm confident in Allen and think he'll develop into a very good QB in the future, but it would be very surprising if Buffalo gets improved QB play this season unless it's a result of a far better offensive system thanks to Daboll. Edit: I’ll put it this way. Tyrod was #13 QB on PFF and #14 in QBR. I don’t expect the Bills starting QB in 2018 to be ranked higher than either of those this year. why then were we just 15 yds. from being dead last in passing offense last year? i'm going out on a limb here, but i'm thinking upgrade... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Just heard a little bit of him on One Bills Live and was impressed with his knowledge of offensive scheming. Not a fan of his 4 win prediction for us. He's a good analyst, but I think four wins is too low for 2018. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I feel very fortunate to have learned that preseason prognostications from afar mean absolutely nothing. Not saying he’s wrong, just saying he has as much information and credibility as anyone with an internet connection and even that doesn’t really get you much. We we will see what happens soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, dubs said: I feel very fortunate to have learned that preseason prognostications from afar mean absolutely nothing. Not saying he’s wrong, just saying he has as much information and credibility as anyone with an internet connection and even that doesn’t really get you much. We we will see what happens soon enough. Can't agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Can't agree with that. Fair enough, but nothing he wrote was very original or thought provoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 Just now, dubs said: Fair enough, but nothing he wrote was very original or thought provoking. I find him credible and knowledgeable as he knows NFL personnel and schemes. It is what it is as they say so we'll see about his projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Turnover differential accounted for much of this. Can they repeat at that level? He's right about the Bills' 2018 OL as much as you try to paint a rosy picture. He's paid to offer his opinion based on the talent on hand rather than an optimistic forecast that Bills' fans want to read about. I don't know if he's correct or not. My point is only that he takes data that supports his point and ignores data that doesn't support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I don't know if he's correct or not. My point is only that he takes data that supports his point and ignores data that doesn't support it. He hasn't ignored anything. He assessed the team based on personnel, coaching, and scheme to give a projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 11:12 AM, Heitz said: Really? Reeeeally!? You can argue a lot... I say it is (insert team here). Not really a bold statement, nor is it saying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 He's an astute analyst and that assessment is fair, even though it won't go over well here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, QCity said: He's an astute analyst and that assessment is fair, even though it won't go over well here. Point is that the whole article is essentially a restatement of a commonly held set of beliefs about the 2018 Bills. Could be right, could be wrong, but none of it is remotely insightful or interesting or original. Edited August 23, 2018 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I dont get why people ignore special teams so much. Sure the kick off is a wash. But a great way to take advantage of opportunities is by kicking field goals/extra points, great punts, and returning them. A missed FG, or great punt swings the momentum and field position. The Bills are able to keep games very close because of their special teams. Whether you like or not, its a big part of their identity. I call it taking advantage and using everything at your disposal to win, and part of what makes this team a nuisance to deal with. That is, if everyone else can perform at a competitive level. (Obviously LA and NO blew us away and ST had no bearing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Quote Not only are the Bills inexperienced at QB, they’re downright futile up front. Last year’s O-line already lacked athleticism, and now its two best players, left guard Richie Incognito and center Eric Wood, have been replaced by men who’d be backups on just about any other squad (Vladimir Ducasse at guard, Russell Bodine or Ryan Groy at center). That quote is spot on. I just rewatched quarter 1 of the Cleveland game---Cleveland had their way with the OL, hence McCarron's injury. I shudder to think of what will happen to any QB behind that line for four quarters against a starting NFL defense. One thing is for sure, the Bills should keep 3 QB on the roster & practice squad, they are going to need all 3. I found Andy Benoit's article to be uninformed and excessively negative, with the exception of the OL. 8-8 and I'll recover from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Last time I checked, preseason prognostications don't factor into which teams make the playoffs. If I were forced to guess I think Benoit is likely more right than wrong, but that and $5.00 gets me a mediocre combo at McDonalds. I never understand why people get worked up by pundits' views, power rankings or the like. They actually may have an impact on who makes the NCAA football playoffs or NCAA basketball tourney, but in the NFL they are less important than where Millard Fillmore ate lunch when he resided in Buffalo. Either you win the games or you don't, everything else is simply background noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Is anyone else happy we kept our top draft picks for next year? I’d be shocked if we only win 4 games, but I’m not about just next year. If Allen is the guy, drafting a little higher is just, well......helpful in the process of surrounding him with a team. Big IF, but if he’s NOT the guy, not much else matters. It’s back to the starting line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/23/2018 at 10:09 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: It's 2018 and this shouldn't even be an actual question given all of the ways to follow/watch a team to become familiar with personnel. I’ll respectfully disagree. I do not believe it’s the same as being there through the warm-up, the camaraderie, speeches, coaching, etc. One can see a completely different team when physically there and attentive through an entire practice (ie: local reporters). Very little of that is able to be watched on film, save the Bills Embdedded, and even that is slanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Benoit recently tweeted out that while he thinks highly of Aaron Donald, he said, how does a guy who's part of the 30th ranked run defense run away with Defensive Player of the Year? The ensuing thread was the first Twitter thread where every single response vehemently disagrees with his take. Several other analysts shot down his take as well. Someone pointed out how a strong run defense doesn't correlate to wins. Another point was made that some defensive coordinators don't worry too much about having a strong run D so long as their secondary is stout. Another individual pointed out that Mack was DPOY in '16 while part of the Raiders 24th ranked rush defense. It was a pretty awful take all around. A year or two ago he went up against Chris Harris, Jr. for an article. He wrote that he legitimately thought he beat Harris on several routes...until teammates told him, "Dude, if Chris didn't want you to catch any passes, you wouldn't have, he was letting you have some fun." So, he knows some stuff but I also think he's a bit full of himself and as Shaw pointed out, he definitely seemed to approach his article on the Bills with his own subjective opinion that they'd be bad this year then went and found data to specifically back that up while refusing to look at an analyze things contradictory to his own point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 3:18 PM, DCOrange said: We'll have to agree to disagree. The Bills O-Line was looked at as a top 10 unit last year and it's potentially the worst in the league this year. For example, PFF had them ranked as the 7th best in the league by the end of the season last year and has them ranked #29 entering the season. Tyrod was roughly an average to above average starter last year, and more importantly, he protected the ball at an astonishing rate (sometimes to the team's detriment). That ability to protect the ball, coupled with the defense forcing turnovers at an elite rate, is pretty much the only things that Buffalo really did well last season. Even with McCoy and a good O-Line, they didn't run the ball all that well. Obviously they didn't pass it that well either, but the fact that they didn't turn the ball over and also forced turnovers at a huge rate was easily the biggest factor in the team winning 9 games. That just isn't going to happen this year. I'm confident in Allen and think he'll develop into a very good QB in the future, but it would be very surprising if Buffalo gets improved QB play this season unless it's a result of a far better offensive system thanks to Daboll. Edit: I’ll put it this way. Tyrod was #13 QB on PFF and #14 in QBR. I don’t expect the Bills starting QB in 2018 to be ranked higher than either of those this year. Only PFF could look at an OL that saw team declines in both rush ypa and passing productivity, and grade them top-10 Only PFF could look at a QB who is near the bottom of the league in passing and <200 ypg and who played with an offense that dropped precipitously in PF, and call him #13 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/23/2018 at 2:37 PM, dubs said: Point is that the whole article is essentially a restatement of a commonly held set of beliefs about the 2018 Bills. Could be right, could be wrong, but none of it is remotely insightful or interesting or original. It’s not insightful or original if you are a Bills fan who is obsessive enough to read and comment on this board. But that’s not who he’s writing for! It’s a national column for what’s left of a national sports outlet. I’m sure it’s quite useful for, say, Niners fans, just as a Niners writeup is useful for Bills fans (quick, name 3 Niners starters - umm, Jimmy G, Goodwin, umm....). And the article is basically correct, although these non-stats based projections always create far too spread in expected records; you’d do better to project every single team at somewhere between 6-10 and 10-6 than throwing out 4-12s for teams like the Bills. Least talented roster? I dunno. What’s our competition? It ain’t the Browns, who clearly have more talent. Redskins? Colts? Not if Luck is actually back, plus there’s a good youth infusion there. Dolphins? I think they’re in far worse shape than the Bills, but overall its not a ridiculous assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 This guy is click-bait trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Domdab99 said: This guy is click-bait trash He'd be a genius if he projected a great season by the Bills of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 It certainly looks like this is an accurate assessment based on the last two games. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It certainly looks like this is an accurate assessment based on the last two games. Yup. Benoit is a worthy successor to King. Very good football writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 11:12 AM, Heitz said: Really? Reeeeally!? Yes, really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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