Patriot Killa Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Agreed. It seemed Allen was their second choice. There was another QB they wanted , and it was most likely Darnold. They had a choice of QBs left when they moved up and picked the guy they liked most. If they had managed to get a higher pick I’d wager it wouldn’t have been Allen. Why some fans wouldn’t acknowledge this is beyond me. Because they want to believe that they picked the best guy. It’s normal for fans to think that and/or try to convince themselves of that. If you go on the Browns board there are at least 27 posters sticking their noses up at Darnold because they are trying to self-validate that their team did the right thing by passing on him. Darnold was the consensus #1 QB in the class for a reason. Yes he had some flaws as the others did. Every prospect does unless you are Andrew Luck. But he makes jaw dropping plays and had the ability to clean up the turnovers because on tape he rarely makes the same mistake twice. He’s already cleaned up a ton of scouting report negatives because he truly wants to get better. You see that goof ball, Paxton Lynch last night? He hasn’t looked any better after being in the league for 4 years...it’s because he’s lazy and he doesn’t love the game enough to sacrifice every day for it. But I digress... i honestly don’t blame Bills fans for trying to self-validate for themselves...but preseason game 1 isn’t the necessary time to do so nor’ will it ever be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Huh?? They obviously liked Allen. From everything I read, though, it was pretty clear that they coveted Darnold. There is a reason he was taken before Allen. ...was referring to your "don't think otherwise" comment.....CERTAINLY respect your opinion.....how this place is supposed to work...we'll never know the actual pecking order of who they coveted.....but I think they're satisfied with Allen......many of these kids ala Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Rosen and perhaps even Jackson and Lauletta have great potential....hope they ALL succeed...sure as hell would make for some interesting, competitive head-to head matchups on any given Sunday like the good 'ol days.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 The only reason Bills wanted to get to #2 was for Darnold. Giants wanted too much and Bills lucked out with getting Allen at 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...was referring to your "don't think otherwise" comment.....CERTAINLY respect your opinion.....how this place is supposed to work...we'll never know the actual pecking order of who they coveted.....but I think they're satisfied with Allen......many of these kids ala Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Rosen and perhaps even Jackson and Lauletta have great potential....hope they ALL succeed...sure as hell would make for some interesting, competitive head-to head matchups on any given Sunday like the good 'ol days.... It would be fun if a few years from now folks are talking about this group like the class of '83 -- only I hope we didn't wind up with Todd Blackledge. By the way, if you're superstitious at all consider that Jim Kelly was the 3rd QB taken in that draft. Josh Allen was the 3rd taken this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Because they want to believe that they picked the best guy. It’s normal for fans to think that and/or try to convince themselves of that. If you go on the Browns board there are at least 27 posters sticking their noses up at Darnold because they are trying to self-validate that their team did the right thing by passing on him. Darnold was the consensus #1 QB in the class for a reason. Yes he had some flaws as the others did. Every prospect does unless you are Andrew Luck. But he makes jaw dropping plays and had the ability to clean up the turnovers because on tape he rarely makes the same mistake twice. He’s already cleaned up a ton of scouting report negatives because he truly wants to get better. You see that goof ball, Paxton Lynch last night? He hasn’t looked any better after being in the league for 4 years...it’s because he’s lazy and he doesn’t love the game enough to sacrifice every day for it. But I digress... i honestly don’t blame Bills fans for trying to self-validate for themselves...but preseason game 1 isn’t the necessary time to do so nor’ will it ever be I have no problem believing Darnold was the bills top choice It is absolutely possible that at the end of the day Allen WAS the right choice Of course it is also possible that as many as 4 of the qbs taken in this draft become difference makers for their teams this was the year to draft a qb and it could go down as the best qb draft ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eball said: It would be fun if a few years from now folks are talking about this group like the class of '83 -- only I hope we didn't wind up with Todd Blackledge. By the way, if you're superstitious at all consider that Jim Kelly was the 3rd QB taken in that draft. Josh Allen was the 3rd taken this year. ...BINGO......I knew someone would equate my current reference to Class of '83......good show bud.............sure was one helluva class and today is STILL a benchmark for comparative analysis......wow!...did not realize they were BOTH 3rd QB's taken....... Edited August 12, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 42 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I have no problem believing Darnold was the bills top choice It is absolutely possible that at the end of the day Allen WAS the right choice Of course it is also possible that as many as 4 of the qbs taken in this draft become difference makers for their teams this was the year to draft a qb and it could go down as the best qb draft ever. I think it could be. I also feel bad for anyone that needs a QB next year. 2019’s class looks depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Darnold has a legit chance to start in the NYJ opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 On 8/12/2018 at 7:50 AM, Boatdrinks said: Agreed. It seemed Allen was their second choice. There was another QB they wanted , and it was most likely Darnold. They had a choice of QBs left when they moved up and picked the guy they liked most. If they had managed to get a higher pick I’d wager it wouldn’t have been Allen. Why some fans wouldn’t acknowledge this is beyond me. What about that picture of the QBs in order and the potential Denver trade? It was tweeted and on a white board at OBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) On 8/12/2018 at 11:00 AM, Patriot Killa said: Because they want to believe that they picked the best guy. It’s normal for fans to think that and/or try to convince themselves of that. If you go on the Browns board there are at least 27 posters sticking their noses up at Darnold because they are trying to self-validate that their team did the right thing by passing on him. Darnold was the consensus #1 QB in the class for a reason. Yes he had some flaws as the others did. Every prospect does unless you are Andrew Luck. But he makes jaw dropping plays and had the ability to clean up the turnovers because on tape he rarely makes the same mistake twice. He’s already cleaned up a ton of scouting report negatives because he truly wants to get better. You see that goof ball, Paxton Lynch last night? He hasn’t looked any better after being in the league for 4 years...it’s because he’s lazy and he doesn’t love the game enough to sacrifice every day for it. But I digress... i honestly don’t blame Bills fans for trying to self-validate for themselves...but preseason game 1 isn’t the necessary time to do so nor’ will it ever be Said the Jets fan that is trolling Bills and Browns websites to brag about his rookie QB's preseason performance, lol. Edited August 13, 2018 by Tenhigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Breaking down New York Jets rookie quarterback Sam Darnold's preseason debut | Baldy's Breakdown (3:38) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie Nails Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Super conservative. Nothing stand out about his performance in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCoBills Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 His accuracy is pretty standout and how quickly he goes through his progressions and finds open receivers stands out. That said yea his throws don’t “wow” you at all. It seems like he loses some velocity oddly when throwing outside the hashes to his right from the pocket too. It just looks odd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 7:19 PM, GG said: I don't think it's the Bills who should be looking sideways at Darnold's progress, but the team that passed on him with the pick before. Barkley didn't look that special, and the only reason NY press took it easy on Eli's outing is because Webb was horrendous. Eli has had it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) On 8/13/2018 at 2:20 PM, Tenhigh said: Said the Jets fan that is trolling Bills and Browns websites to brag about his rookie QB's preseason performance, lol. First all I do not even own an account on a Browns forum, a link was posted in my home Jets forum. Secondly, i’m not trolling anyone. I’ve been uniquely considerate for a rival fan, open minded and receptive to the members here from the day I signed up. All I said was facts so get your head out of your ass. It’s logical that fans would like to convince themselves they have the correct guy..I didn’t say your team missed out. I just stated a logical assumption. Fans DO want to sell themselves that their guy is the best one out of the bunch and that’s not something we’ll know for awhile. k thanks good talk. Edited August 17, 2018 by Patriot Killa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Darnold, early on has looked like a more mobile Chad Pennington. Can carve you up on short to intermediate routes, and will exploit soft spots in the defense. I just dont see him gaining enough respect from defenses tho. I think Darnold has a very high ceiling, but i also could see Sam maxing out as a Pennington type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Darnold, early on has looked like a more mobile Chad Pennington. Can carve you up on short to intermediate routes, and will exploit soft spots in the defense. I just dont see him gaining enough respect from defenses tho. I think Darnold has a very high ceiling, but i also could see Sam maxing out as a Pennington type. We also didn’t run any concepts from the real playbook. Darnold actually has a lot stronger of an arm than Chad and he can sling the ball but these first two games have mostly been dink and dunk in order to get the guy comfortable in an NFL game. I know people wanna see him let it rip but it’s just not what the coaches want to do now. He’ll let it rip eventually and most likely in the most opportune time. It’s a west coast offense so there will be a lot of crossing patterns, underneaths, posts, etc. Robby Anderson is one of the best deep threats in the league, Darnold will have a shot at going long...just not now. Edited August 17, 2018 by Patriot Killa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: First all I do not even own an account on a Browns forum, a link was posted in my home Jets forum. Secondly, i’m not trolling anyone. I’ve been uniquely considerate for a rival fan, open minded and receptive to the members here from the day I signed up. All I said was facts so get your head out of your ass. It’s logical that fans would like to convince themselves they have the correct guy..I didn’t say your team missed out. I just stated a logical assumption. Fans DO want to sell themselves that their guy is the best one out of the bunch and that’s not something we’ll know for awhile. k thanks good talk. Oooo, since there is a Jets fan here I have a question you might be able to answer.... Have you seen Darnold throw a pass over 10 yards in practice yet? It looks to me you have a captain check down on your hands, but I haven't seen any of the practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: Oooo, since there is a Jets fan here I have a question you might be able to answer.... Have you seen Darnold throw a pass over 10 yards in practice yet? It looks to me you have a captain check down on your hands, but I haven't seen any of the practices. Yes, absolutely. He’s thrown a few bombs and I even recall some dimes from 25, 30 plus yards. Trying to determine what kind of player he is with fake gameplans and vanilla concepts is a no-go. Sam can sling the ball but I understand what they are trying to do with him right now and that’s get his feet wet. Our defenses even ran soft zone coverage all night when the whole league knows that we are a press man to man coverage Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Darnold looks very good at the underneath stuff. Let's not underrate that. Impressive field reading. I *think* that Allen will have to learn to take what the defense gives him a bit more than he's shown on his tape. However I think is ceiling is also considerably higher than Darnold's, and part of what makes him special is how badly he wants to push the ball down the field. Sam will be a productive quarterback in the league with a shot at being very good. Allen could be a productive quarterback in the league with a shot at being dominant. This will be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Might call me crazy but I see Darnold throwing is like EJ Manuel........ Call me crazy if you like but I see lots same.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Bills, Jets, Browns, and Cardinals fans should all just cool it until their shiny new QBs face real regular season action. Until then, we don't know squat. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 From a very small sample size , I feel Darnold has a high floor but low ceiling compared to Baker and Allen at least. We all heard he's the most pro ready QB and that's probably true but it's almost a double edged sword p because I don't forsee his game making any big time improvements that Allen / Mayfield ,specifically , are CAPABLE of making.. I see Darnold being a serviceable, game manager type of Q . You can win SBs with that type, but ur run game, ST and defense need to be elite. Allen def has a lower floor but no question his ceiling is much higher and as a Bills fan and the QBs we've witnessed since Kelly , that's music to my ears. Roll the dice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 7:30 PM, Paulus said: Darnold and Allen will be an awesome rivalry to watch for the next decade. I almost never buy into the hype, but I have followed Darnold for a while and thought he was the best QB in the draft, far ahead of the other QBs. I have changed my mind in regards to who is the best QB in the draft was, but that doesn't make Darnold any less special. Buckle-up buckarooz, these two kids are going to be something special. I'm with you. I think an Allen/Darnold friendly rivalry (ala Kelly/Marino---we hated Dan, but Jim didn't) over the next decade is just what the AFC East needs. I hope both guys become great and battle it out in classic games for years to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, folz said: I'm with you. I think an Allen/Darnold friendly rivalry (ala Kelly/Marino---we hated Dan, but Jim didn't) over the next decade is just what the AFC East needs. I hope both guys become great and battle it out in classic games for years to come. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Yes, absolutely. He’s thrown a few bombs and I even recall some dimes from 25, 30 plus yards. Trying to determine what kind of player he is with fake gameplans and vanilla concepts is a no-go. Sam can sling the ball but I understand what they are trying to do with him right now and that’s get his feet wet. Our defenses even ran soft zone coverage all night when the whole league knows that we are a press man to man coverage Defense. https://nypost.com/2018/08/08/todd-bowles-wasnt-bothered-by-sam-darnolds-two-interceptions/ Im sure he had a couple nice deep balls in practice, but there is also cause for concern on his deeper passes as stated in the article above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: https://nypost.com/2018/08/08/todd-bowles-wasnt-bothered-by-sam-darnolds-two-interceptions/ Im sure he had a couple nice deep balls in practice, but there is also cause for concern on his deeper passes as stated in the article above. Ehh, he was trying to put too much touch on the passes at times and his timing with the WR’s needs work. definitely not making excuses for him because the deep ball isn’t a strong point, but I’m not too worried about it. He’ll get there. It’s not like the kid has a weak arm by any means. He has a very capable arm, those passes just need some work. Edited August 17, 2018 by Patriot Killa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: We also didn’t run any concepts from the real playbook. Darnold actually has a lot stronger of an arm than Chad and he can sling the ball but these first two games have mostly been dink and dunk in order to get the guy comfortable in an NFL game. I know people wanna see him let it rip but it’s just not what the coaches want to do now. He’ll let it rip eventually and most likely in the most opportune time. It’s a west coast offense so there will be a lot of crossing patterns, underneaths, posts, etc. Robby Anderson is one of the best deep threats in the league, Darnold will have a shot at going long...just not now. Why limit the guy completely to a dink and dunk approach? To get a guy comfortable in a game? What happens in a real game when he throws deep is he'll get picked off because he hasn't experienced throwing a live deep ball. Jets better start Bridgewater if they want to win. Darnold needs to sit and learn, as does Allen. Still, you don't limit QBs in preseason. You need to get them used to as many game situations as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 158 yards or so on 29 passes so far. At this point he looks like the Jets 3rd best QB at the moment IMO. Having said that, all 3 appear to be serviceable which is obviously a nice problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Ehh, he was trying to put too much touch on the passes at times and his timing with the WR’s needs work. definitely not making excuses for him because the deep ball isn’t a strong point, but I’m not too worried about it. He’ll get there. It’s not like the kid has a weak arm by any means. He has a very capable arm, those passes just need some work. I watched him a lot at USC because they are on every weekend on the west coast and once it hit mid season he was connecting on more deep balls so I would you are correct about the timing issues. My only concern with him was he was always hesitant to take a shot it seemed like he would prefer to throw underneath every play if he could. I do think he will be successful but I don't see him putting up monster games more of just a steady reliable QB. It would be great for the fans if he and Josh both developed and battled it out for the next decade. Enjoy the season! Go Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, buffaloaggie said: Why limit the guy completely to a dink and dunk approach? To get a guy comfortable in a game? What happens in a real game when he throws deep is he'll get picked off because he hasn't experienced throwing a live deep ball. Jets better start Bridgewater if they want to win. Darnold needs to sit and learn, as does Allen. Still, you don't limit QBs in preseason. You need to get them used to as many game situations as possible. Because the Jests have already determined that they're going to start Darnold in the season opener, and they aren't going to allow something as minor as Darnold's actual on-field performance to derail their plans. They'll limit him to doing what he does well, knowing that the media will uncritically gush all over him over any little success. They are manipulating their rookie QB to insure that they get the results they want in the short term even if it explodes in their faces later in the season ... or in Darnold's career. That's my explanation for the Jests' keeping Darnold so tightly under wraps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 This for anyone who's posted and hated/still hates Allen: https://www.nflshop.com/Mens_New_York_Jets_Sam_Darnold_Nike_Green_2018_NFL_Draft_First_Round_Pick_Game_Jersey/t-14713766+o-2416+d-121533563+f-0491335+z-9-720810369?_s=ak1944nfl-pla&sku=10901839&targetid=pla-326661710074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Logic said: Bills, Jets, Browns, and Cardinals fans should all just cool it until their shiny new QBs face real regular season action. Until then, we don't know squat. You got that right.. Its great to be excited and to see good things in your guy but a lot of that changes when real bullets fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Logic said: Bills, Jets, Browns, and Cardinals fans should all just cool it until their shiny new QBs face real regular season action. Until then, we don't know squat. Disagree. I’d start cutting the dead weight and draft another guy next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Disagree. I’d start cutting the dead weight and draft another guy next year. Or, Beane could just sign Colin Kaepernick to start for next season <sarcasm> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Donald look very good last night. Lets hope the Jets implode around him for the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Logic said: Bills, Jets, Browns, and Cardinals fans should all just cool it until their shiny new QBs face real regular season action. Until then, we don't know squat. And in the meantime, let’s take a dump in the punchbowl. God forbid fans should be excited about their teams .... 49 minutes ago, wppete said: Donald look very good last night. Lets hope the Jets implode around him for the next few years. Aaron Donald? Or Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, mannc said: And in the meantime, let’s take a dump in the punchbowl. God forbid fans should be excited about their teams .... Aaron Donald? Or Trump? Auto correct ?. I ment Darnold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 11 hours ago, Logic said: Bills, Jets, Browns, and Cardinals fans should all just cool it until their shiny new QBs face real regular season action. Until then, we don't know squat. This is correct...It is absolutely insanity to be convinced that any of these teams have “found the guy”.....if you are convinced you are delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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