Why Do the Bills Need a New Stadium ??

[T master]

We've read all the articles about how the NFL wants the Bills to have a new stadium to be like Jerrah or Kronke out in LA but why ? The Bills are who we are & i like it this way !!

 

There is all this talk even before the Pegula's bought the team that the "NFL" & others want the Bills to have a new stadium & that if they don't get one it would be terrible & not up to NFL standards ! In all of the polls New Era Field is at the bottom of the fan experience list as far as NFL stadiums are concerned .

 

Well i have been to the field on numerous occasions & other than a blizzard on game day or a 18 degree temp. in Nov. my experience has for the most part been good (except the time i got my pockets picked at a N.E. game which i think was a N.E. fan) 

 

I read about the $18 Mill improvements to the Adpro sports facility that the Pegula's are doing which will make it among the best in the league, then you read about what new players say about the locker room improvements when they come here & it all being good reviews ! Add to it what they have done with the upgrades to the stadium to make the fan experience better over the last few years then WHY ??

 

I know NFL football fans are spoiled a lot like the players & feel they need all these interactive video/shopping center/ restaurant & such things that cost a Billion plus & i realize there are still things that need some upgrade in the stadium but coming from a era where every thing i got i earned being a part of a Jerry Jones spoiled ass experience i want no part of ! I've been to his stadium & was not really all that impressed because it reeks of his ego !! 

 

I'm proud to be a Bills fan & proud of the stadium & all that goes with it including the best tail gating any where in the NFL, what I don't understand is that if the NFL wants the Bills or any other team for that matter to build a new stadium why they don't pony up the majority of the cost instead of passing the buck off on the fans in one way or another or do what Kronke is doing pay for it out of the owners pockets they will recoup the money in time from the fans any way !!

 

Just saying i have never really had a bad experience (except for waiting in line to go to the rest room) at New Era Field & don't get with all the New why there needs to be a entirely new place & building maybe you all as Bills fans can give me a better idea why it needs or doesn't need to be, Thanks for your input either way good or bad !! 

 

GO BILLS !!! 

[Zebrastripes]

No, just dump some money into the current one and avoid those nasty PSL fees.

Edited August 3, 2018 by Zebrastripes

[costrovs]

Simple answer, they don't.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, costrovs said:

Simple answer, they don't.

If Buffalo wants to revitalize downtown more a new stadium would help. Not to mention the whole Bills mafia "black eye" could be fixed with less pregame tailgating etc. could be better controlled with a downtown stadium. Not to mention make the Pegula's One Buffalo campaign more united.

[Lv-Bills]

They don't.  And look around, they are planning on staying there a long time.  Thank God.  Most of the new stadiums blow.  Keep renovating what we have.  It's one of the best atmospheres in the league.  There's also nothing wrong with the stadium itself.  The one thing people harp on are the concourses.  And could they be wider?  Yep.  Was there ever a time where I didn't want to go to a Bills game because it might take another 60 seconds to traverse a smaller concourse? No.

 

There's no way they are moving downtown.  It couldn't be more clear.

Edited August 3, 2018 by Lv-Bills

[Fr. Jerk]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Not to mention the whole Bills mafia "black eye" could be fixed with less pregame tailgating etc. could be better controlled with a downtown stadium.

 

Nobody wants the tailgating to change except you.

 

Yes, you are the only one.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

2 minutes ago, The Jerk said:

 

Nobody wants the tailgating to change except you.

 

Yes, you are the only one.

The tailgating is half the experience IMO. But eventually I believe they will have to build a stadium downtown and that will put a damper on the tailgating. And by eventually I mean 10-15 years 

[costrovs]

22 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

If Buffalo wants to revitalize downtown more a new stadium would help. Not to mention the whole Bills mafia "black eye" could be fixed with less pregame tailgating etc. could be better controlled with a downtown stadium. Not to mention make the Pegula's One Buffalo campaign more united.

 

Buffalo can revitalize downtown without a new stadium. Buffalo, Erie County, NY state, the Pegulas and the taxpayers don't want to pay. No one wants to pay for it, and the majority of Western NY is happy where it is. 

[oldmanfan]

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[PromoTheRobot]

True fact: Some in Baltimore didn't want to build Camden Yards. Memorial Stadium on 33rd St. was perfectly fine and was home to the great Oriole teams of the past. How can you improve on that? Sure, there was so little parking that you had park bumper-to-bumper and door-to-door, which meant you couldn't leave the game until everyone blocking you in left first, and the toilets did overflow every once in a while, and yes the narrow concourses with the exposed wiring and pipes were an eyesore, but would a stadium by the Inner Harbor really be any better?

Edited August 3, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[dwight in philly]

54 minutes ago, T master said:

We've read all the articles about how the NFL wants the Bills to have a new stadium to be like Jerrah or Kronke out in LA but why ? The Bills are who we are & i like it this way !!

 

There is all this talk even before the Pegula's bought the team that the "NFL" & others want the Bills to have a new stadium & that if they don't get one it would be terrible & not up to NFL standards ! In all of the polls New Era Field is at the bottom of the fan experience list as far as NFL stadiums are concerned .

 

Well i have been to the field on numerous occasions & other than a blizzard on game day or a 18 degree temp. in Nov. my experience has for the most part been good (except the time i got my pockets picked at a N.E. game which i think was a N.E. fan) 

 

I read about the $18 Mill improvements to the Adpro sports facility that the Pegula's are doing which will make it among the best in the league, then you read about what new players say about the locker room improvements when they come here & it all being good reviews ! Add to it what they have done with the upgrades to the stadium to make the fan experience better over the last few years then WHY ??

 

I know NFL football fans are spoiled a lot like the players & feel they need all these interactive video/shopping center/ restaurant & such things that cost a Billion plus & i realize there are still things that need some upgrade in the stadium but coming from a era where every thing i got i earned being a part of a Jerry Jones spoiled ass experience i want no part of ! I've been to his stadium & was not really all that impressed because it reeks of his ego !! 

 

I'm proud to be a Bills fan & proud of the stadium & all that goes with it including the best tail gating any where in the NFL, what I don't understand is that if the NFL wants the Bills or any other team for that matter to build a new stadium why they don't pony up the majority of the cost instead of passing the buck off on the fans in one way or another or do what Kronke is doing pay for it out of the owners pockets they will recoup the money in time from the fans any way !!

 

Just saying i have never really had a bad experience (except for waiting in line to go to the rest room) at New Era Field & don't get with all the New why there needs to be a entirely new place & building maybe you all as Bills fans can give me a better idea why it needs or doesn't need to be, Thanks for your input either way good or bad !! 

 

GO BILLS !!! 

Totally agree.. 100 per cent! 

[May Day 10]

11 minutes ago, costrovs said:

 

Buffalo can revitalize downtown without a new stadium. Buffalo, Erie County, NY state, the Pegulas and the taxpayers don't want to pay. No one wants to pay for it, and the majority of Western NY is happy where it is. 

 

 

IMO, a state of the art, picturesque brick and mortar amphitheater would make 100x the difference a bulky and underused football stadium would.  You can get 20-30K people downtown on the regular and draw from all over the region.

[papazoid]

#1- why ? the lure of more revenue

 

#2- don't worry, the Pegula's will slow play this til at least 2030

 

#3- follow the money to east of buffalo

[C.Biscuit97]

So I quit mistaking the sink as a urinal.  

[costrovs]

12 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

 

IMO, a state of the art, picturesque brick and mortar amphitheater would make 100x the difference a bulky and underused football stadium would.  You can get 20-30K people downtown on the regular and draw from all over the region.

 

That's what Keybank Center is for. 

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, papazoid said:

#1- why ? the lure of more revenue

 

#2- don't worry, the Pegula's will slow play this til at least 2030

 

#3- follow the money to east of buffalo

Did you mean connect the dots? 

[buffalobillsfootball]

NY Power Authority - they will play a HUGE role in the funding of a new stadium... 

[Misterbluesky]

58 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

If Buffalo wants to revitalize downtown more a new stadium would help. Not to mention the whole Bills mafia "black eye" could be fixed with less pregame tailgating etc. could be better controlled with a downtown stadium. Not to mention make the Pegula's One Buffalo campaign more united.

We would need help from the state,the Buffalo Billion Project has been a mess from the "get go"....therefore,you won't see a dime come in from Albany for a new place.The state is done with WNY for awhile.

[May Day 10]

1 minute ago, costrovs said:

 

That's what Keybank Center is for. 

 

Thats good for the winter and some acts.... but arena shows are actually becoming more uncommon.

 

An ampitheater would bring in all those country and nostalgia acts from Darien Lake.  They would also get more who skip Buffalo due to not having a great concert venue.  We would also get the 'multi' tours or mini-festivals that don't come to buffalo.  The one in Camden, NJ has shows nearly every day in the Summer/Fall.  With a good promoter, they can also create their own weekend long festival there.  

[Augie]

I’m actually fine either way. I don’t live in the area and won’t have my taxes jacked up. I’ll just pay more for each visit. The bottom line is, I’m just thrilled they will remain in WNY! 

[Irv]

5 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

We would need help from the state,the Buffalo Billion Project has been a mess from the "get go"....therefore,you won't see a dime come in from Albany for a new place.The state is done with WNY for awhile.

 

Disagree.  There are plenty of crook politicians in Albany ready to give state funding.  They just haven't been paid off yet!  Money talks.  Cash screams.

[Sky Diver]

If you have ever been to Lambeau (or Bryant-Denny  Stadium in Tuscaloosa), you wouldn’t think much of our stadium).

[mississaubills]

9 minutes ago, costrovs said:

 

That's what Keybank Center is for. 

 

Actually, an amphitheater for summer concerts is not a bad investment, especially in comparison to a football stadium.  Keybank can host arena shows, but Toronto has had success with its Budweiser Stage and Scotiabank Arena (all the name changes in Buffalo has warped me so I have no problem calling them by their current names) hosting most of the concerts in the area.  I think it's a wonderful idea!

 

Ultimately, OP may be the cheapest in terms of land and development to build a new stadium.  You can always build one next to the current site, a la Great American Ballpark vs the old Red/Bengals stadium.  

[Tenhigh]

21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So I quit mistaking the sink as a urinal.  

Ewww, YOU PEE IN THE SINK? Its bad enough they have those squishy pink faucets and yellow water...........

 

 

WAIT ONE MINUTE?!?!?!  

Edited August 3, 2018 by Tenhigh

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

If Buffalo wants to revitalize downtown more a new stadium would help. Not to mention the whole Bills mafia "black eye" could be fixed with less pregame tailgating etc. could be better controlled with a downtown stadium. Not to mention make the Pegula's One Buffalo campaign more united.

...conceptually, I think it's a great idea.....logistically, I think it's a potential nightmare with the Harbor reducing directional accessibility to three directions......just guessing that massive infrastructure improvements would be necessary to highway/transportation systems...BILLIONS needed would have to come from Federal funding......and with the way they move, if you started the application process now, approvals and funding may happen by 2067......I'll be long gone and in "Hell's Kitchen" so text me if it happens.....hopin' Verizon has a heat resistant cell tower there...

[4_kidd_4]

8 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

If you have ever been to Lambeau (or Bryant-Denny  Stadium in Tuscaloosa), you wouldn’t think much of our stadium).

 

If I happen to visit those barns will I somehow no longer be able to watch a football game and perhaps drink a beer at ours? Because that’s what I’m there for, and so far so good.

[Mrbojanglezs]

really the only reason is because the NFL puts pressure on the clubs to grow revenue

Edited August 3, 2018 by Mrbojanglezs

[Fadingpain]

1 hour ago, T master said:

We've read all the articles about how the NFL wants the Bills to have a new stadium to be like Jerrah or Kronke out in LA but why ? The Bills are who we are & i like it this way !!

 

There is all this talk even before the Pegula's bought the team that the "NFL" & others want the Bills to have a new stadium & that if they don't get one it would be terrible & not up to NFL standards ! In all of the polls New Era Field is at the bottom of the fan experience list as far as NFL stadiums are concerned .

 

Well i have been to the field on numerous occasions & other than a blizzard on game day or a 18 degree temp. in Nov. my experience has for the most part been good (except the time i got my pockets picked at a N.E. game which i think was a N.E. fan) 

 

I read about the $18 Mill improvements to the Adpro sports facility that the Pegula's are doing which will make it among the best in the league, then you read about what new players say about the locker room improvements when they come here & it all being good reviews ! Add to it what they have done with the upgrades to the stadium to make the fan experience better over the last few years then WHY ??

 

I know NFL football fans are spoiled a lot like the players & feel they need all these interactive video/shopping center/ restaurant & such things that cost a Billion plus & i realize there are still things that need some upgrade in the stadium but coming from a era where every thing i got i earned being a part of a Jerry Jones spoiled ass experience i want no part of ! I've been to his stadium & was not really all that impressed because it reeks of his ego !! 

 

I'm proud to be a Bills fan & proud of the stadium & all that goes with it including the best tail gating any where in the NFL, what I don't understand is that if the NFL wants the Bills or any other team for that matter to build a new stadium why they don't pony up the majority of the cost instead of passing the buck off on the fans in one way or another or do what Kronke is doing pay for it out of the owners pockets they will recoup the money in time from the fans any way !!

 

Just saying i have never really had a bad experience (except for waiting in line to go to the rest room) at New Era Field & don't get with all the New why there needs to be a entirely new place & building maybe you all as Bills fans can give me a better idea why it needs or doesn't need to be, Thanks for your input either way good or bad !! 

 

GO BILLS !!! 

The billionaires who own the league aren't concerned with what you like.

 

They are concerned with maximizing profits, and a dinosaur of a stadium like we have doesn't do that in 2018.

 

That's the answer.

 

 

[costrovs]

13 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

If you have ever been to Lambeau (or Bryant-Denny  Stadium in Tuscaloosa), you wouldn’t think much of our stadium).

 

Mehh. I'm there to watch football and piss in sinks just like everyone else.

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

If I happen to visit those barns will I somehow no longer be able to watch a football game and perhaps drink a beer at ours? Because that’s what I’m there for, and so far so good.

 

Our stadium does the job, but frankly, it’s not very nice, even compared to a top college stadium. 

Just now, costrovs said:

 

Mehh. I'm there to watch football and piss in sinks just like everyone else.

 

Just watch for drunks falling from the upper deck.

[May Day 10]

I wouldnt complain if we had some sort of roof and wind block (not enclosed).

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

really the only reason is because the NFL puts pressure on the clubs to grow revenue

 

...and that's because gluttonous slobs like Jones and Snyder LOATHE revenue sharing.....their markets have SUBSTANTIAL corporate presence versus Buffalo and WNY.....the ordinary fan doesn't mean squat......our corporate $75,000 suite at The Hat is $250-$300k in their markets....we're out and so would be many others we know of.....

[nucci]

8 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

really the only reason is because the NFL puts pressure on the clubs to grow revenue

which is important, correct?

[cd1]

$$$$$$  M.O.N.E.Y.  $$$$$$

 

NFL Teams Split Record $7.8 Billion in 2016, Up 10% ... Each NFL team receives an equal share of the league's "national revenue" -- primarily money from television deals, but also league-wide sponsorships, licensing and merchandise sales.

http://adage.com/article/media/nfl-teams-split-record-7-8-billion-2016-10-percent/309737/

 

 

This has to do with $$$$ and the NFL owners. 

 

NFL owners to Terry Pegula - It is time you start contributing MORE $$$ to our pot!

 

The Bills contribution to the money pot was pale in comparison to most other teams YET Terry Pegula got an EQUAL share of the payout!

 

Other NFL owners don't give a **** about the Bills fans tailgating parties - they want their MONEY!

[Fadingpain]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...and that's because gluttonous slobs like Jones and Snyder LOATHE revenue sharing.....their markets have SUBSTANTIAL corporate presence versus Buffalo and WNY.....the ordinary fan doesn't mean squat......our corporate $75,000 suite at The Hat is $250-$300k in their markets....we're out and so would be many others we know of.....

The gap between big markets and small markets in modern sports is huge, and interesting to follow.

 

Gradually, over time, it feels like the natural progression will be to eliminate the small markets and then this battle will be over.

 

I hope that takes a long time, though, and somehow Buffalo manages to slip through the cracks.  And Green Bay.

 

 

[costrovs]

21 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

Thats good for the winter and some acts.... but arena shows are actually becoming more uncommon.

 

An ampitheater would bring in all those country and nostalgia acts from Darien Lake.  They would also get more who skip Buffalo due to not having a great concert venue.  We would also get the 'multi' tours or mini-festivals that don't come to buffalo.  The one in Camden, NJ has shows nearly every day in the Summer/Fall.  With a good promoter, they can also create their own weekend long festival there.  

 

15 minutes ago, mississaubills said:

 

Actually, an amphitheater for summer concerts is not a bad investment, especially in comparison to a football stadium.  Keybank can host arena shows, but Toronto has had success with its Budweiser Stage and Scotiabank Arena (all the name changes in Buffalo has warped me so I have no problem calling them by their current names) hosting most of the concerts in the area.  I think it's a wonderful idea!

 

Ultimately, OP may be the cheapest in terms of land and development to build a new stadium.  You can always build one next to the current site, a la Great American Ballpark vs the old Red/Bengals stadium.  

 

I agree with both of you about the Amphitheater, it would be a great idea. Ultimately, it would cost to much money to build a stadium downtown. We've seen people talk about building a new stadium downtown for 10+ years, and nothing happens. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...and that's because gluttonous slobs like Jones and Snyder LOATHE revenue sharing.....their markets have SUBSTANTIAL corporate presence versus Buffalo and WNY.....the ordinary fan doesn't mean squat......our corporate $75,000 suite at The Hat is $250-$300k in their markets....we're out and so would be many others we know of.....

 

4 minutes ago, nucci said:

which is important, correct?

 

It is important. I wonder what kind of growth rate % the teams need to meet to be eligible for profit sharing. If the Pegula's keep refusing to build a stadium the owners can probably raise the threshold of the performance metrics, not sure how all that works.

 

But without revenue sharing from the league, I doubt the Bills are viable. 

[dpberr]

Answering the why is easy IMO.

 

It's peer pressure and it's ramped up significantly since the Pegulas purchased the team.  The rest of the NFL owners aren't going to let the Pegulas, Buffalo and New York state skate by while everyone else is pumping billions of dollars into new stadiums.  The NFL is in the business of making money and new stadiums make owners more money.  As an owner, you don't get to join this elite fraternity of rich people and just sit back and cash the checks like a landlord with some student housing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nucci]

1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

 

It is important. I wonder what kind of growth rate % the teams need to meet to be eligible for profit sharing. If the Pegula's keep refusing to build a stadium the owners can probably raise the threshold of the performance metrics, not sure how all that works.

 

But without revenue sharing from the league, I doubt the Bills are viable. 

There is no profit sharing in the NFL...the TV money gets split among the teams.....revenue sharing is what made the NFL what it is today....Kraft and Jones hate the idea but it makes for a better league

[Mrbojanglezs]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

There is no profit sharing in the NFL...the TV money gets split among the teams.....revenue sharing is what made the NFL what it is today....Kraft and Jones hate the idea but it makes for a better league

 

I meant revenue sharing. So the revenue is split evenly with all the teams regardless of their financial performance?