gjv001 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I wonder if the Jameis Winston investigation influenced the Bills decision to trade Darby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I doubt it. They were trying to gain draft capital and a young CB who's skills were not ideal for McDermott's defense was a good way to do that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I hope they let us know someday... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 and who was the other thug in that Florida State group that we drafted at running back? . . . Lesson here: character does matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 He wasn’t a process kind of guy either, and I mean that in the broadest McD sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, TPS said: He wasn’t a process kind of guy either, and I mean that in the broadest McD sense. He wants to show you his Gaudy Super Bowl Ring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 45 minutes ago, CSBill said: and who was the other thug in that Florida State group that we drafted at running back? . . . Lesson here: character does matter. Karlos Williams was awesome though. So much talent and he performed up to it his rookie year. It was worth the risk at the 155th overall pick. Just a shame he couldn't keep it together mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdue Bill Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 47 minutes ago, CSBill said: and who was the other thug in that Florida State group that we drafted at running back? . . . Lesson here: character does matter. That would be Karlos Williams who is currently suspended (surprise) and not playing. I do agree that character should play a role in the selection process...does no good to have great physical talents on the bench due to suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, gjv001 said: I wonder if the Jameis Winston investigation influenced the Bills decision to trade Darby. How would it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How would it? There is an old adage - "you are who you hang out with"... Edited June 23, 2018 by cd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He wants to show you his Gaudy Super Bowl Ring. Good for him. It doesn't change the fact that he isn't a McD-type player, which is why he, Dareus, Watkins, et al. were unloaded. Hell, I hate this thought, but Dareus could get a ring in the next year or two too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, TPS said: Good for him. It doesn't change the fact that he isn't a McD-type player, which is why he, Dareus, Watkins, et al. were unloaded. Hell, I hate this thought, but Dareus could get a ring in the next year or two too... McD type player had nothing to do with him being traded IMO. It was more a defensive scheme incompatibiity with the Eagles/Jim Schwartz placing a value on higher value on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: McD type player had nothing to do with him being traded IMO. It was more a defensive scheme incompatibiity with the Eagles/Jim Schwartz placing a value on higher value on him. Yeah, I mean Darby was never a problem in Buffalo, was he? He seemed like a nice enough kid. Totally due to scheme, I imagine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: McD type player had nothing to do with him being traded IMO. It was more a defensive scheme incompatibiity with the Eagles/Jim Schwartz placing a value on higher value on him. So Watkins and Dareus weren't scheme fits either? They continue to show people the door who do not fit their culture. If the Eagles initiated the trade, then I'd agree on that being the main element. Any idea? Edited June 23, 2018 by TPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, TPS said: So Watkins and Dareus weren't scheme fits either? They continue to show people the door who do not fit their culture. If the Eagles initiated the trade, then I'd agree on that being the main element. Any idea? Dareus' departure was both culture and cost related. Watkins I believe was a combination of cost control and injury issues. Since you allege Darby was a culture problem, what was his issue that leads you to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 The Darby trade was the only move that gave me pause when McBeane pulled the trigger on it. It seems funny, but I really had no problem with moving Dareus and letting Gilmore go, but trading a promising young CB, a rookie who had outplayed Gilmore, and who still had years left on his rookie contract seemed crazy to me. They drafted White and brought in free agents who got the job done. Our secondary, which I thought was going to get blown up every week, ended up being the best unit on the entire team last year. Got to tip my hat to McBeane on those moves. I was wrong and they were right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, gjv001 said: I wonder if the Jameis Winston investigation influenced the Bills decision to trade Darby. I don’t think so. I do remember when the oldd admininstraion picked Darby, Vic Carucci and Jay Skurski did mention a potential character issue but I don’t think it had much effect on his draft stock. It seems he fell to the 2nd round because of size and the fact that there were questions about his ball skills. At the time of the trade last summer Winston was starting to rebuild his image. The controversy that surrounded him around the time of the draft had pretty much died down, to where he was being regarded as a good leader (especially his positive portrayal in Hard Knocks). It is somewhat odd that he’s with Winston again when something is alleged to down. Edited June 23, 2018 by BuffaloRush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He wants to show you his Gaudy Super Bowl Ring. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: I don’t think so. I do remember when the oldd admininstraion picked Darby, Vic Carucci and Jay Skurski did mention a potential character issue but I don’t think it had much effect on his draft stock. It seems he fell to the 2nd round because of size and the fact that there were questions about his ball skills. At the time of the trade last summer Winston was starting to rebuild his image. The controversy that surrounded him around the time of the draft had pretty much died down, to where he was being regarded as a good leader (especially his positive portrayal in Hard Knocks). It is somewhat odd that he’s with Winston again when something is alleged to down. well if you read the quotes between Darby and Banks, Winston seems like they all might be lying because none of the stories match up. And Darby recently took initiative to speak out again. fishy stuff I did not like Darby in TC and loved him when the season started. I too was bummed to see him traded Edited June 23, 2018 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 hours ago, CSBill said: and who was the other thug in that Florida State group that we drafted at running back? . . . Lesson here: character does matter. Character can matter but mostly football character. Ray Lewis was involved murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Please explain the link. I dont see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, TPS said: So Watkins and Dareus weren't scheme fits either? They continue to show people the door who do not fit their culture. If the Eagles initiated the trade, then I'd agree on that being the main element. Any idea? Darius was all about his stats which he would not have gotten in this D and they probably felt they could not retain Sammy so they got something while they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He wants to show you his Gaudy Super Bowl Ring. So does Jon Dorenbos who wasn't even on the team and some retired secretary... so how does that matter to the topic at-hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I can’t wait for the tell all book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 He's covered for a rapist twice, I'm glad he is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 FSU QBs scare me as much as USC QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) For folks asking for the link between Winston and Darby...They were roommates at FSU for the first accusation against Winston and then they were together the Uber night...despite this link, doubt this has anything to do with the Bills trading Darby. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/22/third-man-with-jameis-winston-and-ronald-darby-is-now-in-prison-for-rape/ Edited June 23, 2018 by JoeF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Dareus' departure was both culture and cost related. Watkins I believe was a combination of cost control and injury issues. Since you allege Darby was a culture problem, what was his issue that leads you to that? I'm not saying he was a culture problem, it's that he didn't embody the culture McD looks for. If you don't, then the odds are you are a goner.. For example, Watkins made some comment after the trade about his lack of team focus, or something related. We know Dareus had issues. Darby probably didn't rock the boat, rather he didn't embody the qualities McD looks for. As I recall in reading about the trade, Mathews was described as a hard worker and great locker room guy. The only thing you read about Darby was his skill set. Had Darby been a McD-type of guy off the field, I doubt he would've been traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: well if you read the quotes between Darby and Banks, Winston seems like they all might be lying because none of the stories match up. And Darby recently took initiative to speak out again. fishy stuff I did not lie Darby in TC and loved him when the season started. I too was bummed to see him traded It sounds like Winston got Darby to make up a story that there were multiple people in the car, but then it was not corroborated by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 CrimiNOLES 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Karlos Williams was awesome though. So much talent and he performed up to it his rookie year. It was worth the risk at the 155th overall pick. Just a shame he couldn't keep it together mentally. Yup, I truly believe he could have been special and he threw it all away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 We drafted Darby knowing full well that he was Rapeis Winston's lookout. He didn't exactly set the world on fire here, so maybe McBeane took his lack of character into account before cutting him loose. We'll likely never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) Yeah. Watkins couldn’t even make this wr squad. Great trade. Edited June 23, 2018 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 45 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: We drafted Darby knowing full well that he was Rapeis Winston's lookout. He didn't exactly set the world on fire here, so maybe McBeane took his lack of character into account before cutting him loose. We'll likely never know. Ronald might be best in man coverage and not smart enough for McD. likely all it was. but maybe there were character concerns discovered. 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: It sounds like Winston got Darby to make up a story that there were multiple people in the car, but then it was not corroborated by others. Darby does seem overly loyal to Winston. for better or worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: Yeah. Watkins couldn’t even make this wr squad. Great trade. ? They traded him for Harrison Phillips, and one season of Jordan Matthews 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I doubt it was the primary reason they made the trade (not a great scheme fit, building capital to make a move for a QB in this year's draft, upgrading WR core after Watkins trade), but it wouldn't surprise me if it played a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: I doubt it was the primary reason they made the trade (not a great scheme fit, building capital to make a move for a QB in this year's draft, upgrading WR core after Watkins trade), but it wouldn't surprise me if it played a factor. always always a combination of things in decision making such as this. Likely you are closer to the honest truth than any one factor deciding Ronald Darby's fate. i thought they got rid of Watkins and Darby for their hair styles. I mean it could be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 6 hours ago, cd1 said: There is an old adage - "you are who you hang out with"... True . . . he is hanging out with Super Bowl Champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, Peter said: True . . . he is hanging out with Super Bowl Champions. Won't change the fact that he abetted a deviant sexual abuser at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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