aristocrat Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Luxy312 said: Watson was a 67% completion college QB. He was a pass first quarterback that could run as well. Remind me again where Watson was picked. Oh yeh, he was 12th overall and hte 2nd QB off the board. Could have gone first. What credit I give Jackson is irrelevant to what NFL teams give him. 32nd pick in the draft. 5th QB picked. That's all that needs to be said. All the man-love that you or others want to have for him won't matter one bit or change the facts. Telling someone "watch him in college" when I did and can tell you he's very inconsistent doesn't change facts. So much inappropriate man-love for Jackson. Reminds me of Nate Peterman. players drop all the time despite talent. rodgers was a late pick, brees etc. just because he was picked late doesnt mean he has the 5th best talent. and completion percentage is not a great stat. did you know he had the most drops among the top qbs? and that he was a pass first qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Luxy312 said: Watson was a 67% completion college QB. He was a pass first quarterback that could run as well. Remind me again where Watson was picked. Oh yeh, he was 12th overall and hte 2nd QB off the board. Could have gone first. What credit I give Jackson is irrelevant to what NFL teams give him. 32nd pick in the draft. 5th QB picked. That's all that needs to be said. All the man-love that you or others want to have for him won't matter one bit or change the facts. Telling someone "watch him in college" when I did and can tell you he's very inconsistent doesn't change facts. So much inappropriate man-love for Jackson. Reminds me of Nate Peterman. So draft position is the only thing that matters? Say hello to Russell Wilson ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: So draft position is the only thing that matters? Say hello to Russell Wilson ? Snooze. They're lining up Lamar Jackson at other positions why exactly? Is it because he's such a great QB? You're a laugh-fest and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Luxy312 said: Snooze. They're lining up Lamar Jackson at other positions why exactly? Is it because he's such a great QB? You're a laugh-fest and a half. Ummmm....there’s an incumbent starting QB on the roster. Remember a guy named Flacco? Name another QB from this draft that has a strangle hold on the starting QB position right now. LJ just happens to be ABLE to be involved in the offense in other ways. Stop the hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Watson was a 67% completion college QB. He was a pass first quarterback that could run as well. Remind me again where Watson was picked. Oh yeh, he was 12th overall and hte 2nd QB off the board. Could have gone first. What credit I give Jackson is irrelevant to what NFL teams give him. 32nd pick in the draft. 5th QB picked. That's all that needs to be said. All the man-love that you or others want to have for him won't matter one bit or change the facts. Telling someone "watch him in college" when I did and can tell you he's very inconsistent doesn't change facts. So much inappropriate man-love for Jackson. Reminds me of Nate Peterman. Where was Russell Wilson picked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Snooze. They're lining up Lamar Jackson at other positions why exactly? Is it because he's such a great QB? You're a laugh-fest and a half. It really is sort of humorous. If they snap the ball to Flacco and he gets it to Jackson as a pass/run option, you've basically wasted a position on the field (Flacco). The D will have 11 guarding 10. If they're putting Jackson in the game along with Flacco it is as a RB or WR, not a "2nd QB." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 once you get typecast as a "slash" player it's hard to reverse it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 18 hours ago, Zebrastripes said: I think it's a terrible idea for him to line up at other positions. Yes he is a great athlete but I don't think he has the body type to take the punishment of playing wr or rb. Lamar Jackson is 6'3" 216 - he's bigger and faster than most WRs and had more rushes than most SEC/ACC running backs without ever missing a game to injury. I think he has the body to withstand the punishment. 18 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Yes. Miles behind Michael Vick in every facet of the game as well. I would put him right there with Colin Kaepernick and expect him to last about as long in the league. Kapernick took his team to the super bowl and then got black balled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Didn't Bill Polian say he should switch to wide receiver? I don't necessarily agree with him, but just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Lamar Jackson is 6'3" 216 - he's bigger and faster than most WRs and had more rushes than most SEC/ACC running backs without ever missing a game to injury. I think he has the body to withstand the punishment. Kapernick took his team to the super bowl and then got black balled. I know he is that size but he is still a bit on the skinny side. He just doesn't pass the eyeball test as being a thicker guy. That is why i said body type and not size. As far as his rush attempts there is a huge difference between a qb scrambling as opposed to a wr coming acrossed the middle. Edited June 13, 2018 by Zebrastripes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 50 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Snooze. They're lining up Lamar Jackson at other positions why exactly? Is it because he's such a great QB? You're a laugh-fest and a half. Yo Luxy, can we party together? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, first_and_ten said: Didn't Bill Polian say he should switch to wide receiver? I don't necessarily agree with him, but just saying. Sadly, Bill Polian has been a train wreck for about 5 years now. Just about everything that comes out of his mouth lately is idiotic. Also, his reasoning for stating that Lamar Jackson should play WR in the NFL instead of QB was that he was “too short.” LJ is 6’3” Time to put Bill out to pasture. https://www.google.com/amp/amp.thecomeback.com/nfl/bill-polian-please-stop-talking.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said: I know he is that size but he is still a bit on the skinny side. He just doesn't pass the eyeball test as being a thicker guy. That is why i said body type and not size. As far as his rush attempts there is a huge difference between a qb scrambling as opposed to a wr coming acrossed the middle. My eyeball test says he's plenty big for a WR, as anyone who has seen him take on SEC and ACC defenses. Any WR would be jealous of his yards after contact. Let me provide additional facts: Over three seasons, Lamar Jackson ran the ball 655 times (Saquon Barkley: 671), attempted 619 passes and was sacked over 100 times yet he didn't miss ONE game (and hard to find where he missed any significant snaps). That's more than tough enough to play WR. Having said that, I also think he would be a very good QB who will strike fear into defenses. Edited June 13, 2018 by Max Fischer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 56 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: My eyeball test says he's plenty big for a WR, as anyone who has seen him take on SEC and ACC defenses. Any WR would be jealous of his yards after contact. Let me provide additional facts: Over three seasons, Lamar Jackson ran the ball 655 times (Saquon Barkley: 671), attempted 619 passes and was sacked over 100 times yet he didn't miss ONE game (and hard to find where he missed any significant snaps). That's more than tough enough to play WR. Having said that, I also think he would be a very good QB who will strike fear into defenses. Trust me I understand what you're saying. Biggest difference is when you are a rusher as opposed to a receiver you can protect your body much better. As a receiver you don't always have the chance to protect your body. I get his height and weight. He just looks a little on the lanky side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Are people really interpreting this story to mean that the Ravens don't plan on having him play QB? That is definitely not the case. They're stuck with Flacco's salary for another 2 years and they're grooming Jackson to take over. In the meantime they'll use his athleticism any way they can. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Luxy312 said: Snooze. They're lining up Lamar Jackson at other positions why exactly? Is it because he's such a great QB? You're a laugh-fest and a half. I think they finally got him to run a 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Luxy312 said: Yes. Miles behind Michael Vick in every facet of the game as well. I would put him right there with Colin Kaepernick and expect him to last about as long in the league. So Lamar will almost win a SB? God, that would be awful if I was a Ravens fan. 52 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Are people really interpreting this story to mean that the Ravens don't plan on having him play QB? That is definitely not the case. They're stuck with Flacco's salary for another 2 years and they're grooming Jackson to take over. In the meantime they'll use his athleticism any way they can. Sane people might argue that’s smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Are people really interpreting this story to mean that the Ravens don't plan on having him play QB? That is definitely not the case. They're stuck with Flacco's salary for another 2 years and they're grooming Jackson to take over. In the meantime they'll use his athleticism any way they can. Agreed. I don't understand how people are taking this where the Ravens haven't indicated they are taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Luxy312 said: His 57% completion percentage really does jump off the page compared to his peers. What an awesome passer. We haven't seen a 57% passer in generations.... We drafted a guy at 7 with a 56%. And I think the ACC is slightly better than MWC. i have no idea how these qbs will turn out but it’s stupid to say who will make it or not at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I think they finally got him to run a 40 If Flacco gets him the ball in the backfield, is he going to refuse to run? Inquiring minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: If Flacco gets him the ball in the backfield, is he going to refuse to run? Inquiring minds want to know. His agent is going to tell him to throw it anyway- He a QB damnit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: His agent is going to tell him to throw it anyway- He a QB damnit That is awesome. He's going to audible after the snap. LOL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He’s a better passer just coming out of college than Tyrod is right now after ample NFL experience. AND he is a far superior athlete. Everybody knows that... 4 hours ago, aristocrat said: have you even seen jacksons college passing stats? Jackson is definitely an incredible athlete. He's also definitely too stupid to be even a "mediocre," QB in the NFL. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Dont understand all the venom here at LJ, but I think it was fairly obvious that Flacco is the clear starter going into camp, but the Ravens are going to try and find ways to still utilize Lamars abilities while they groom him to potentially replace Flacco at some point. But I don't think anyone really expected Lamar to challenge for starting playing time this year, which is why Ravens were a great spot for him. He gets to work on his game and study behind a seasoned SB winning veteran and a great coaching staff while also likely getting some regular season game time by using his talents in specific packages and situations. Lamar has as much upside as really any QB in this draft. None of them came without flaws they need to improve on, and anyone comparing him to TT really just doesn't know what they are talking about as they are not very comparable and you are just being lazy. He is no lock to be a franchise QB, but he's also no lock to be a bust. He is in about as good a situation as he could have asked for, so time will tell how he grooms out. I do find it funny that so many TSW experts here seem to think they know so much that he is a lock to bust, while arguably the best NFL GM of his generation, Newsome, felt strongly enough about Lamar's potential that he went out and got him in the first round even though they already have a starter who won them a SB. Never understood this boards obsession with declaring people hits or busts before they have ever played a single regular season snap. Edited June 13, 2018 by Alphadawg7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: That's all well and good...but how does he compare to PETERMAN?! Inquiring minds want to know! He does not have that much experience throwing to NFL DBs so hard to tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 4:53 PM, BuffaloBill said: The coaches are trying to motivate Flacco. If he sees his competition maybe he will play better. /s He could also see it as a way to get the competition for his job hurt so he isn't competition any more. "Coach, I didn't mean to throw the ball high so the linebacker could hit him in the middle of the back like that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Yeah, he's not playing QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. WEO Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 He's lining up at "backup QB" 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Wonderlic graded you...not so good.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: He's lining up at "backup QB" Yup. Plus they wanted to give Flacco a few reps at RB and WR in the gadget plays in case there is an injury to Jackson. Then the third QB would be behind center and Flacco would get the pitchouts and jet sweeps and swing passes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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26CornerBlitz Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Lamar Jackson runs the Ravens offense for an entire day ... and eventually for good OWINGS MILLS, Md. – It was impossible not to keep looking down at the roster, and then back at the field, and then back at the roster, and then double-checking with someone else nearby if, in fact, we were both seeing the same thing. Best I could tell, No. 8 was the only guy throwing the football. It appeared that in drill after drill – seven-on-seven or 11-on-11 – Joe Flacco was nowhere in sight, hidden somewhere among the hundred-odd people on the sideline, and that Robert Griffin III might as well have been back on the league's daily transaction wire. Because all you ever saw running the Baltimore Ravens offense for the entirety of their final minicamp practice Thursday was Lamar Jackson. The uber-athletic rookie – whom the team drafted 32nd overall after moving back into the first round and whose natural explosiveness has created a persistent buzz among the veterans here this spring – was taking every snap with the starters. And the backups. And the third team. And with any other stray receiver or tight end who might still be hanging around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The uber-athletic rookie – whom the team drafted... I wonder if the German websites and periodicals are now plagued by the tendency to replace 'uber' with the English word 'over' every chance a journalist gets. Edited June 14, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Über-Unter-Mitte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 4:44 PM, John from Riverside said: Im suprised that Jackson isnt bucking this a bit.....maybe after he fell just happy to be a first round pick. I still think he has a chance to be good. Maybe its designed to have him act as a dummy at other positions and end up with him throwing the ball... He could run a jet sweep and take a handoff then throw, He could catch a bubble screen(backwards pass) as a WR and then throw it. He could line up in the backfield take a handoff and then throw it... There are a lot of innovative ways they could utilize him, similar to what I was hoping they would have done with Tyrod last year in the game Peterman started... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 This situation reminds me of what Gailey did with Kordell in Pittsburgh. If We see Jackson used as that slash player, it could benefit the team and his growth. Youth will allow Jackson’s body to take more punishment the first couple of years. If Jackson will be successful long term he will need to transition to more of pocket passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Didn't the Redskins & Steelers do that a lot with that WR who used to be a QB & have decent success? Granted, he transitioned into a WR, but they still threw him in at QB from time to time. I can't believe I forgot the dude's name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 5:55 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...NOT A CHANCE....that would ONLY happen at TBD with the "One & Done Gang"....... The one game and done gang. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 7:43 PM, greeneblitz said: Its pretty clear to most gms and scouts that have been quoted predraft feel that his value is not at qb, regardless what he or fans think. So much so that a team traded up to get him huh? A lot of smarties in this thread. On 6/14/2018 at 12:32 PM, Mr. WEO said: He's lining up at "backup QB" The Wonderlic graded you...not so good.. Our best QB ever got a 15. Meaningless grade, stupid post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Elite Poster said: So much so that a team traded up to get him huh? A lot of smarties in this thread. Our best QB ever got a 15. Meaningless grade, stupid post. Argument based on an outlier data point. Not an "elite" post...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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