ColoradoBills Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 4 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I think it is way too early to give up on the kid like many on here are doing. Rookie WRs have not done well in recent years as it takes them awhile to learn the game. Jones has good speed and size. The Bills need him to be good. Not giving up on the man. I really liked the Zay Jones pick and thought he was just what the Bill's needed. As of now with the shoulder, knee, offseason hijinks and his drops last year, I'm now starting to have doubts. He needs to get healthy and start to perform at the level that he was expected to play at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: Better now than the middle of the season. Ok but why wait until the end of May for an "on going problem"? Why not surgery four months ago? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Success said: For the sake of pete, he’s just missing time now - nothing about missing preseason or regular season. A lot of typical overreaction on this thread. It's like being on BBMB all over again. Typical overreaction. I will wait til he misses game action and/or the season to call him bust-worthy yet. People forget that it takes time for WR's to get adjusted to the NFL. In today's "I want it all right now" world, if you aren't great right out the box, you are a bust. It doesn't look good for the kid right now, I will give people that, but to throw this kid out to the garbage after one season is just plain stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Just pay Dez. Money talks. All things equal, he might not want to go to Buffalo. But offer him 2 years instead of 1 and more money. We need at least 1 WR, even with a healthy Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Radar said: Ok but why wait until the end of May for an "on going problem"? Why not surgery four months ago? Had to do the shoulder first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Hope he recovers fast, but this looks pretty bad. Obviously had to space out the surgeries. But the red flags are piling up. Hope he bounces back strong. Our WR corps is a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 8 hours ago, WhoTom said: By page 4 it'll turn into the Monty Python "Argument" sketch. we can only hope 7 hours ago, Heitz said: TC, this is TBD - they guy hasn’t been an All-Pro yet and had to have surgery, time to send him to the glue factory! They shoot horses don't they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 hours ago, JackKemp said: If it is an ongoing problem it probably goes back to when he hyper-extended his knee last year. Doesn't worry me at this point. A WR needs a QB to be successful. How many of our WRs were stellar with Tyrod at QB? How many Bills Wrs would be stellar anywhere? None. Not one. zero nada * How many QBs are successful with pitiful WRs. Like last season. and maybe this coming season. * exception Patriot* All those those all become SB MVPS.. Zay is a unusually major disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: we can only hope They shoot horses don't they ? Yes they do. If they shot humans for a broken leg I would have been dead a few years ago along with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Eric Wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 hours ago, keepthefaith said: It's probably a cleanup thing but not to his knee. His head. Like a colon cleansing ? 1 hour ago, njbuff said: It's like being on BBMB all over again. Typical overreaction. I will wait til he misses game action and/or the season to call him bust-worthy yet. People forget that it takes time for WR's to get adjusted to the NFL. In today's "I want it all right now" world, if you aren't great right out the box, you are a bust. It doesn't look good for the kid right now, I will give people that, but to throw this kid out to the garbage after one season is just plain stupid. so you are saying he might be a bust ? 1 minute ago, Uncle Joe said: Yes they do. If they shot humans for a broken leg I would have been dead a few years ago along with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Eric Wood. and half the rest of us. me included. and didn't Fred break one as well on that long run so many years ago.... 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Just pay Dez. Money talks. All things equal, he might not want to go to Buffalo. But offer him 2 years instead of 1 and more money. We need at least 1 WR, even with a healthy Zay. I agree about lacking a # 1 but i would pick up Kendrick before Dez. Bills Offense is not going to surprise anyone this year with a big passing game 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Had to do the shoulder first 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Had to do the shoulder first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I hope he recovers and gets right in the head. Right now he could be another James Hardy. I really hope that is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 10 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Waste of a roster spot - wouldn't be shocked if he's not on the final 53. Maybe they'll trade him for a conditional 6th in August. surely you can't be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, swnybillsfan said: surely you can't be serious. I don't feel Coach holds him in high esteem ? Tuesday is not one for humor or pulling punches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: They shoot horses don't they ? Just don't shoot the piano player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I don't feel Coach holds him in high esteem ? Tuesday is not one for humor or pulling punches i was fishing for the obvious Airplane response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, swnybillsfan said: i was fishing for the obvious Airplane response. Stop calling me Shirley then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Stop calling me Shirley then ! indeed my friend! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, WhoTom said: Those are anvils, not magnets. I think the implication is that he has "heavy hands" and can't catch. You deflate the ball, not the hands. A magnetic ball would be attracted to the anvils. I was aware of the implications...Never mind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Radar said: Ok but why wait until the end of May for an "on going problem"? Why not surgery four months ago? I don't know, I'm not him. No telling what's going on that crazy brain of his. Maybe Jesus said to him that this was the appropriate time to have surgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: Just don't shoot the piano player. The piano player's out the music stopped His boy had beef and he got dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Augie said: You deflate the ball, not the hands. A magnetic ball would be attracted to the anvils. I was aware of the implications...Never mind.... Oops. I guess I dropped the ball on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Oops. I guess I dropped the ball on that one. Join the club! ? Certainly not a big miss on your part...... I apologize to anyone who wasted a blink of their lives on that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Did they operate on his hands too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 12 hours ago, Badanswer said: Could be from that hit last year....looked bad but he came back in 2nd half but was out a few weeks after if I remember correctly I wonder if it was when he kicked the window, the one he was trying to jump out of, naked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 The weight off all those haters sleepin' on him was more than his knee could take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Had to do the shoulder first Sarcasm? Or thinking he needed to be able to use crutches after knee surgery, which he likely couldn't with the shoulder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 18 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: Zay's career is following the Karlos Williams trajectory imo. Started with high hopes, then one setback after another. The drops, the shoulder, the Zay for Jesus and now the knee. Not saying he can't turn it around. However thus many setbacks early typically derail a career before it really begins. Karlos Williams played amazing in nearly every game he played Zay has never played well in an actual game 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 15 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I think it is way too early to give up on the kid like many on here are doing. Rookie WRs have not done well in recent years as it takes them awhile to learn the game. Jones has good speed and size. The Bills need him to be good. Seems like a lame argument considering... Quote Bills trade the 44th and 91st picks to select Zay Jones at #37 & also get back pick #149. The next 2 WR's selected were JuJu Smith-Schuster and Cooper Kupp at #62 & #69, respectively. Zay Jones (2017): 27 rec. for 317 yds & 2 TD's Juju Smith-Schuster (2017): 58 rec. for 917 yds & 7 TD's Cooper Kupp (2017): 62 rec. for 869 yds. & 5 TD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 35 minutes ago, DrDare said: Karlos Williams played amazing in nearly every game he played Zay has never played well in an actual game Not to split hairs, but he really did. He showed well in the Jets game right before getting hurt. After that he wasn't really on the field as much as Thompson was getting more snaps. Knowing what we do now about the shoulder and the knee being "ongoing" I think it's fair to wonder if he wasnt used as much because they knew he was playing hurt and that limited his effectiveness. Either way, starting a career with so many speed bumps rarely bodes well for a guys career. Which is my original point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Well... Allen's completion percentage just went up 4% with this news. Guess he might actually hit 60% this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Sarcasm? Or thinking he needed to be able to use crutches after knee surgery, which he likely couldn't with the shoulder? Not sarcasm. He had to have the labrum surgery first before the knee surgery. The ability to use crutches affects the time they needed to wait in between surgeries. But the order of surgery was based on severity of injury and recovery time for each. If he had a torn ACL, for example, he would have had that done first regardless. Edited May 25, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALF Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I have confidence in Zay in the long run when healthy. More reps now for other WRs is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKemp Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 14 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: How many Bills Wrs would be stellar anywhere? None. Not one. zero nada * How many QBs are successful with pitiful WRs. Like last season. and maybe this coming season. * exception Patriot* All those those all become SB MVPS.. Zay is a unusually major disappointment. Not saying Zay hasn't been disappointing, but I still believe the QB is key to a WR becoming good to great. The next 2 WR's selected were JuJu Smith-Schuster and Cooper Kupp at #62 & #69, respectively. Zay Jones (2017): 27 rec. for 317 yds & 2 TD's Juju Smith-Schuster (2017): 58 rec. for 917 yds & 7 TD's Cooper Kupp (2017): 62 rec. for 869 yds. & 5 TD's You cannot tell me that Tyrod was as good a QB as Ben Rothlisberger and Jared Goff in the passing game. The talent of our WRs would need to be al universe to be able to match the better WRs in the league with Tyrod holding the ball and then running and refusing to throw slants. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 zay jones' ceiling is roscoe parrish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 He was barely running a few weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 On 5/24/2018 at 1:53 PM, Blokestradamus said: Dude can't even catch a break. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 hours ago, JackKemp said: Not saying Zay hasn't been disappointing, but I still believe the QB is key to a WR becoming good to great. The next 2 WR's selected were JuJu Smith-Schuster and Cooper Kupp at #62 & #69, respectively. Zay Jones (2017): 27 rec. for 317 yds & 2 TD's Juju Smith-Schuster (2017): 58 rec. for 917 yds & 7 TD's Cooper Kupp (2017): 62 rec. for 869 yds. & 5 TD's You cannot tell me that Tyrod was as good a QB as Ben Rothlisberger and Jared Goff in the passing game. The talent of our WRs would need to be al universe to be able to match the better WRs in the league with Tyrod holding the ball and then running and refusing to throw slants. I watched him play. He never seemed to settle down. and he made plenty of mistakes in routine playing.Routes , getting separation and when to do it. Mental stuff really. Stats without context are tough to draw conclusions from for me. How many attempts did each of them get ? just for an example. and yes if you compare any of the Buffalo Wrs to the rest of the league in general terms. they looked pretty weak across the board. So play calling and QBing affected all of them for sure. I don't hate the kid, i just have no reason to feel he is untapped above average potential anymore. Prove me wrong Isaiah !! 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: So harsh with you people geesh lol ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Not sarcasm. He had to have the labrum surgery first before the knee surgery. The ability to use crutches affects the time they needed to wait in between surgeries. But the order of surgery was based on severity of injury and recovery time for each. If he had a torn ACL, for example, he would have had that done first regardless. OK, fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBorBust2018 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Still can’t believe we passed on JuJu for this bum. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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