Incognito's Retirement? [update: Now Released]

[Doc]

Just now, THE SLAMMER said:

lol, don't bet the farm

 

I'd never bet the farm on anything, but I'd bet decent money that he won't be back.

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, THE SLAMMER said:

 

lol, don't bet the farm

I have long since quit gambling . For this very reason.

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

I'd never bet the farm on anything, but I'd bet decent money that he won't be back.

Doc, the entire situation smells. Nothing would surprise me.

If I had to bet, the Bills match a pretty good size deal then deduct 1.5 mil

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, THE SLAMMER said:

Doc, the entire situation smells. Nothing would surprise me.

If I had to bet, the Bills match a pretty good size deal then deduct 1.5 mil

And ritchie does this out of honor or?

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...so then why did he sign for a pay cut?....that is the CORE question.....duress?...under the influence?.....regular meds wore off?.....how come?.....

His agent knows his market. His market wasn’t higher than what the Bills offered. If he didn’t take it he would have been cut. If he was cut he may not even get what the Bills were offering. He apparently disagreed with his agent after the fact. Maybe his agent did a poor job, and his market was higher. Bad job out of him or the agent to vet the situation.  Forget PFF, he’s not a hot commodity. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

And ritchie does this out of honor or?

I believe he worked a deal for his release.

 

Not buying the Bills just let him go after holding Anquan Bolden to his deal??

Its always possible the Bills won't match

Edited May 23, 2018 by THE SLAMMER

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, THE SLAMMER said:

I believe he worked a deal for his release.

 

Not buying the Bills just let him go after holding Eric Bolten to his deal??

Its always possible the Bills won't match

 

Sounds like a conflation of Anquan Boldin and Eric Boulton. 

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, THE SLAMMER said:

I believe he worked a deal for his release.

 

Not buying the Bills just let him go after holding Eric Bolten to his deal??

Its always possible the Bills won't match

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Punching Bag]

19 hours ago, Logic said:

After not letting Boldin out of his contract last year, Beane not letting Richie out of HIS contract this year would have been a bad look for the Bills.

 

19 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

So what happens when Jerry Hughes decides he doesn’t want to play for the Bills anymore. He wants to play for the Pats. He throws a fit and retires. They just let him do it?

 

This exactly what happened with Eugene Parker and Bills.  He felt he could use pressure of holdouts, bad publicity, etc to force contract changes and is exactly why Bills should have insisted Richie Incognito remain on reserved/retired list unless Bills received compensation to release him.

[Sky Diver]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...so then why did he sign for a pay cut?....that is the CORE question.....duress?...under the influence?.....regular meds wore off?.....how come?.....

 

Buyer’s remorse?

[Punching Bag]

10 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

It certainly seems as though Ritchie is now showing his true colors.  If he signed a restructured contract, he should absolutely adhere to that contract.  If he feels that he was "duped" by either the Bills or his agent, and signed the contract without understanding the full ramifications/details, then too bad for him.  I receive a new contract every March for the following school year, and I'm given 14 calendar days to review and sign (or dispute if I disagree).  It's my choice, and I read and try to understand every last word on the document before I sign.  No different here.

 

It appears it was signed by his agent and what he should have been rational and told the Bills "I was told by my agent that he signed agreement to salary cut and I did not agree to this.  Can we talk to NFLPA and get contract mod nullified."   Then Richie and Bills could have sat down and made agreement he and Bills could agree on or if Bills insisted on salary cut he could have refused and let them determine if money was enough reason to cut him.

 

The tweets acting like a twit gave Bills every valid reason not to be in a reasonable mood.

10 hours ago, JohnC said:

The Bills required Incognito to take a pay cut in order to stay with the team. If he wouldn't have agreed to the cut he would have been released. The point is that he wasn't seen as an indispensable player that this team had to have. Incognito wasn't happy with the pay cut yet still signed the contract. That was a mistake on his part because he could have just said no to the cut and then have his release.

 

It appears agent signed for him for he gave agent right.  That was the mistake but understand why some players may want to do this.

[Logic]

12 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

This exactly what happened with Eugene Parker and Bills.  He felt he could use pressure of holdouts, bad publicity, etc to force contract changes and is exactly why Bills should have insisted Richie Incognito remain on reserved/retired list unless Bills received compensation to release him.

Agree to disagree on this one.

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Logic said:

Agree to disagree on this one.

I am sure you do.  You appeared to take the disciple of Lucifer as your patron saint.

[Sky Diver]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I know some people are in love with PFF, but speaking as a self-admitted stats geek I don't think some of their stats pass the test of correlating to onfield results.

Example: Tyrod Taylor is their #12 QB.  Bills have #22 offense for points and #31 offense for passing yards, how does that add up to #12 QB?

Anyway, the criteria for PFF's OL and DL grades are particularly unclear to me.

 

 

 

Me too. Not sure about the #12 rank, but by most accounts Richie had a pretty good year.

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

It appears it was signed by his agent and what he should have been rational and told the Bills "I was told by my agent that he signed agreement to salary cut and I did not agree to this.  Can we talk to NFLPA and get contract mod nullified."   Then Richie and Bills could have sat down and made agreement he and Bills could agree on or if Bills insisted on salary cut he could have refused and let them determine if money was enough reason to cut him.

 

The tweets acting like a twit gave Bills every valid reason not to be in a reasonable mood.

 

It appears agent signed for him for he gave agent right.  That was the mistake but understand why some players may want to do this.

I doubt that the agent would have signed the diminished contract if it wasn't approved by Incognito. Incognito agreed to the terms but was irked by the salary cut. Without question he had second thoughts about the signing. The team did the right thing for itself by not wasting their time being involved in a conflict with a player that they weren't committed to. When all is said and done they acted in their own self-interest and were more than fair and generous with the volatile player. 

[NoSaint]

28 minutes ago, THE SLAMMER said:

I believe he worked a deal for his release.

 

Not buying the Bills just let him go after holding Anquan Bolden to his deal??

Its always possible the Bills won't match

 

The beauty of creating this storyline is that you can never be proven wrong. No matter what, you can just say oh well Buffalo didn’t match 

4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Me too. Not sure about the #12 rank, but by most accounts Richie had a pretty good year.

 

30-whatever his new salary was would put him spot on average for starting guards.

 

At 34 and given his laundry list of trouble.... I don’t think it’s a crazy offer and given he signed it- his behavior reinforces that he’s damaged goods and you need to have him at a discount 

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

The beauty of creating this storyline is that you can never be proven wrong. No matter what, you can just say oh well Buffalo didn’t match 

 

Just an observation when nothing makes sense, complete speculation on my part

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 hours ago, Peter said:

 

 

Cheering against the Bills?!? My argument is that I think the Bills would be better if we kept our best offensive lineman.  To me, that sounds like I am taking a good faith position promoting the best interests of the Bills and, in particular, the QB and Shady who will have to play behind this line.

 

As for who outsmarted whom:

Incognito got his release and got to keep his bonus.  In other words, he got what he wanted.  If you want to call this a win for McBeane, that is your certainly your prerogative. 

Well, there are different ways to win, and different ways to lose.  If RI's plan to win was to renegotiate his contract, subsequently appear unbalanced, imply continued time in the NFL would be significantly detrimental to his health, then flip it around like he was thrilled to be back all while retiring then unretiring, honestly the only sensible plan for Beane is to release him.  His tweet storm was disruptive, odd, bipolar and most certainly disruptive to the enterprise. If it was all a game to bankroll an extra mill, well, you know the value he places on that element of his reputation. How can you trust him in that case?   I think the play to release the guy shows strength as a leader, because yeah, RI could have a great season. He could also have significant mental health issues and clearly does not want to play for the team or contract he agreed to 20 minutes before he lost his marbles. 

 

Beane was not outsmarted in any respect, no matter how you slice it.

 

btw...I hate what happened, but have no other beef with RI. He was great while he was here, I enjoyed watching him, but he's gone now and the ugliness is on him. 

[Nick the Greek]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Other than his Pro Bowl invites, what can you specifically point to that in the opinion owned by you in particular would potentially put him in the HOF.  What does he do that makes you single him out?

The Bills have been the best running team in the NFL the past couple years.

 

fred Jackson’s 200+ yard rushing game. He was blowing open huge holes for him to run thru. HOF performance. 

[Augie]

I doubt this sketchy stuff helps his broadcasting options. Too bad, as I like to root for people to succeed, and he showed some promise. Time will tell...

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, Augie said:

I doubt this sketchy stuff helps his broadcasting options. Too bad, as I like to root for people to succeed, and he showed some promise. Time will tell...

 

I think he’s a real long shot to transition from “too extreme for nfl locker rooms” to “corporate America in an already on guard environment”

 

He’s ultra high risk given his resume, and would have to be a huge upgrade over the next best guy. The Jacksonville story followed by this offseason really hurt the outside chance of him being able to argue that he is 100% trustworthy 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

I think he’s a real long shot to transition from “too extreme for nfl locker rooms” to “corporate America in an already on guard environment”

 

He’s ultra high risk given his resume, and would have to be a huge upgrade over the next best guy. The Jacksonville story followed by this offseason really hurt the outside chance of him being able to argue that he is 100% trustworthy 

 

Today I question his options. Just a few minths ago I was impressed with him on Cowherd and some other stuff. Looking like the Richie of old, to some degree. 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Today I question his options. Just a few minths ago I was impressed with him on Cowherd and some other stuff. Looking like the Richie of old, to some degree. 

 

He can definitely be a well spoken guy and has a unique perspective... but I think there’s a wide gap between lets have him on set for an interview and let’s sign him to a contract to represent a major network day in and day out.

 

maybe one of the edgier cable or radio programs give him a chance to build his resume and get the ratings boost associated with possible shock value. I can’t see him going major network anytime soon though. He keeps digging his hole deeper. 

[Peter]

38 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well, there are different ways to win, and different ways to lose.  If RI's plan to win was to renegotiate his contract, subsequently appear unbalanced, imply continued time in the NFL would be significantly detrimental to his health, then flip it around like he was thrilled to be back all while retiring then unretiring, honestly the only sensible plan for Beane is to release him.  His tweet storm was disruptive, odd, bipolar and most certainly disruptive to the enterprise. If it was all a game to bankroll an extra mill, well, you know the value he places on that element of his reputation. How can you trust him in that case?   I think the play to release the guy shows strength as a leader, because yeah, RI could have a great season. He could also have significant mental health issues and clearly does not want to play for the team or contract he agreed to 20 minutes before he lost his marbles. 

 

Beane was not outsmarted in any respect, no matter how you slice it.

 

btw...I hate what happened, but have no other beef with RI. He was great while he was here, I enjoyed watching him, but he's gone now and the ugliness is on him. 

 

After what happened, Richie wanted to get his release.  Not only did he get his release, he reportedly gets to keep $1.15 million whether he plays another down in the NFL or not.  This was money that he would have had to return. 

 

It must be nice to get $1.15 million whether you continue to work or not.

 

Because of the way that this was handled, the Bills reportedly do not get to recoup that money and, to add insult to injury, that money is now additional dead money against our cap.

 

Dead Money - Spotrac

 

In the end, we have lost another starting linemen (a pro bowler at that) and, for our trouble, we have another $1.15 in dead money against the cap.

 

To me, there had to be a way to manage this better (both the Bills and Incognito).  It would have been nice to keep a pro bowl lineman rather than create an addition hole.  It would have been nice to give Shady and whoever starts at QB (especially if it is an untested rookie QB) the best possible protection.

[atlbillsfan1975]

10 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3439819

 

Hes been a bad guy much more than he’s been a good guy.  

That’s a five year old article and I think that time has proven Jonathan Martin was/is not a stable person. I’m not saying Richie is perfect but I don’t believe everything Martin claimed. 

[Peter]

As an aside, according to Spotrac, we have $17.7 million in cap space (after RI's release).  If that is the case, there did not seem to be a pressing need to make him agree to a pay cut in the first instance.  Given the cap space, there certainly was the cap space to come up with a compromise . . . unless the Bills are planning on spending that money.

 

We shall see.

 

I just hope that Shady has room to be Shady and that our starting QB (whoever that may be) has time to throw the ball. Maybe the guys on the team can fill the void, but it is tough to lose four guys who have started on the line over the past few years in one off season. 

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

That’s a five year old article and I think that time has proven Jonathan Martin was/is not a stable person. I’m not saying Richie is perfect but I don’t believe everything Martin claimed. 

 

The interesting thing about what happened with the Dolphins is that most of the players on that team sided with Incognito.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Peter said:

 

After what happened, Richie wanted to get his release.  Not only did he get his release, he reportedly gets to keep $1.15 million whether he plays another down in the NFL or not.  This was money that he would have had to return. 

 

It must be nice to get $1.15 million whether you continue to work or not.

 

Because of the way that this was handled, the Bills reportedly do not get to recoup that money and, to add insult to injury, that money is now additional dead money against our cap.

 

Dead Money - Spotrac

 

In the end, we have lost another starting linemen (a pro bowler at that) and, for our trouble, we have another $1.15 in dead money against the cap.

 

To me, there had to be a way to manage this better (both the Bills and Incognito).  It would have been nice to keep a pro bowl lineman rather than create an addition hole.  It would have been nice to give Shady and whoever starts at QB (especially if it is an untested rookie QB) the best possible protection.

all of which makes sense except:

1. They negotiated a deal that was agreed to, as happens countless times in the NFL every year;

2. The player agreed to the deal, then apparently went on a weeklong bender of shrooms and Mezcal worms, which doesn't happen all that much in the NFL every year;

3. And the guys responsible for the entire team had to decide from the perspective of the team:

---Try and get Crazy RI back by enforcing  the deal Agreeable RI just agreed to;

--Try and get Crazy RI back by renegotiating the deal Agreeable RI agreed to;

--Try and keep Crazy RI to get something for him from another team who might be interested in Crazy RI hoping he is really Agreeable RI;

--Let Crazy RI go and let him seek something that works for crazy RI and no longer impacts the team;

 

----All the while, they have no way of knowing if Crazy RI is really just Agreeable RI acting like Crazy RI or is truly Crazy RI.

 

in this case, I'm sorry, but the common denominator is crazy.  

But I do agree, if none of the crazy happened I'd love it if the guy was back. 

 

 

[Sky Diver]

25 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

all of which makes sense except:

1. They negotiated a deal that was agreed to, as happens countless times in the NFL every year;

2. The player agreed to the deal, then apparently went on a weeklong bender of shrooms and Mezcal worms, which doesn't happen all that much in the NFL every year;

3. And the guys responsible for the entire team had to decide from the perspective of the team:

---Try and get Crazy RI back by enforcing  the deal Agreeable RI just agreed to;

--Try and get Crazy RI back by renegotiating the deal Agreeable RI agreed to;

--Try and keep Crazy RI to get something for him from another team who might be interested in Crazy RI hoping he is really Agreeable RI;

--Let Crazy RI go and let him seek something that works for crazy RI and no longer impacts the team;

 

----All the while, they have no way of knowing if Crazy RI is really just Agreeable RI acting like Crazy RI or is truly Crazy RI.

 

in this case, I'm sorry, but the common denominator is crazy.  

But I do agree, if none of the crazy happened I'd love it if the guy was back. 

 

 

 

Having his salary cut created ill will and resentment that he couldn’t move past. Who likes having their compensation cut when they are a strong performer? The Bills should have kept his salary the same rather  than creating a hole. ~$1.5M wouldn’t have killed them.

Edited May 23, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Lfod]

20 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Having his salary cut created ill will and resentment that he couldn’t move past. Who likes having their compensation cut when they are a strong performer? The Bills should have kept his salary the same rather  than creating a hole. ~$1.5M wouldn’t have killed them.

I don't think anyone has a problem if the guy valued himself at a higher rate than what he was offered. That's when Incognito shouldn't have signed the contract. Thats the point I lose a little respect.

 

I have no problem if you value him at more then what the Bills offered I can respect that. If he negotiated stronger he might of gotten the contract he wanted. The Bills may not have payed him more, they may have. We won't ever know now. If some one signs a contract with you then backs out I doubt you pull your wallet out to pay more money out of desperation. Think about the message that sends. You backed out of one agreement but let me pay you more so you honor the next agreement. 

 

Incognito got his way. He got out of the contract and he got to keep $$$. Good for him. I don't care how good the guy is, if you can't honor your commitment I wouldn't trust you. This wasn't his first rodeo, he's been in the NFL long enough. If he didn't choose the right people to give him advice that's his problem. If he trusted the wrong people to care for his financial choices that's his problem. 

 

It doesn't matter now because the damage is done and the Bills cut thier losses. Incognito is gone, time to let go man. It will be ok. Incognito is in the wrong not the Bills. They offered what they valued him at and he accepted. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Lfod

[The Red King]

I'm sorry, he signed the contract.  Welcome to the real world.  You sign a contract, you honor it.  And don't give me any BS about him giving his agent the power to sign a contract.  If that's what happened it's still on him because he gave his agent that power.  We're talking NFL money, there is no way I allow my agent to sign anything.  You work out a deal, shoot me the numbers, and let me make the final decision.  Whether what the Bills offered was fair or not is completely irrelevant.  Richie agreed to it and should have honored it.

[Dadonkadonk]

1 hour ago, The Red King said:

I'm sorry, he signed the contract.  Welcome to the real world.  You sign a contract, you honor it.  And don't give me any BS about him giving his agent the power to sign a contract.  If that's what happened it's still on him because he gave his agent that power.  We're talking NFL money, there is no way I allow my agent to sign anything.  You work out a deal, shoot me the numbers, and let me make the final decision.  Whether what the Bills offered was fair or not is completely irrelevant.  Richie agreed to it and should have honored it.

You realize the team signs the contract too and they can cut him at any time?  The NFL salary structure is at least 75% based on signing bonuses. This is not the NBA or MLB.  

The player has every right to hold out and demand what the market will pay.  The team has no obligation to renegotiate of course.  This has nothing to do with honor. It is economics.

[Lfod]

46 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

You realize the team signs the contract too and they can cut him at any time?  The NFL salary structure is at least 75% based on signing bonuses. This is not the NBA or MLB.  

The player has every right to hold out and demand what the market will pay.  The team has no obligation to renegotiate of course.  This has nothing to do with honor. It is economics.

Who doesn't want to get paid more? I guess every player should take notice. Let's just wait and see the outcome for cogs before we tout it as a genius idea. I don't know why more players don't conduct business like this. I'm surprised it isn't standard practice. My guess is it was a bad move and it doesn't end well. 

 

Buffalo released him yet they are the bad guy to some. They could of made things harder for him but didn't.

Edited May 23, 2018 by Lfod

[Ol Dirty B]

I wonder how Incognito would have been treated if he was black. I'm not a fan of that white privilege ****, but why did they release him from the retired designation?

 

He didn't deserve it, and they didn't do it with Anquan who they signed under false pretenses. 

 

I know most of you hate it, but this regime's talk of character, faith, and how they treat guys is messy. I hate his success, but when do you hear belichick ever wander outside of production when it comes to players? Getting into all of that other **** gets messy, and I don't like that they do it. 

1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said:

You realize the team signs the contract too and they can cut him at any time?  The NFL salary structure is at least 75% based on signing bonuses. This is not the NBA or MLB.  

The player has every right to hold out and demand what the market will pay.  The team has no obligation to renegotiate of course.  This has nothing to do with honor. It is economics.

 Except all of this wasn't invented yesterday. He knew this when signed the restructured contract.

 

Who willingly takes pay cut then holds out? 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Peter]

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

I'm sorry, he signed the contract.  Welcome to the real world.  You sign a contract, you honor it.  And don't give me any BS about him giving his agent the power to sign a contract.  If that's what happened it's still on him because he gave his agent that power.  We're talking NFL money, there is no way I allow my agent to sign anything.  You work out a deal, shoot me the numbers, and let me make the final decision.  Whether what the Bills offered was fair or not is completely irrelevant.  Richie agreed to it and should have honored it.

 

That goes both ways.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, Peter said:

As an aside, according to Spotrac, we have $17.7 million in cap space (after RI's release).  If that is the case, there did not seem to be a pressing need to make him agree to a pay cut in the first instance.  Given the cap space, there certainly was the cap space to come up with a compromise . . . unless the Bills are planning on spending that money.

 

We shall see.

 

I just hope that Shady has room to be Shady and that our starting QB (whoever that may be) has time to throw the ball. Maybe the guys on the team can fill the void, but it is tough to lose four guys who have started on the line over the past few years in one off season. 

 

 

 

 

We're quite tight against the cap right now. It'll be down to about $10 - $12 mill after they sign all of the rookies (The draft pool rookie cap is slightly above $9 miil)

 

And both the Bills have historically kept $6 -$9 mill available for in-season injury replacements and Beane has said he will do the same thing.

 

There's not much available.

 

And yeah, the OL will be a concern, but an interesting one.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Limeaid said:

It appears it was signed by his agent and what he should have been rational and told the Bills "I was told by my agent that he signed agreement to salary cut and I did not agree to this.  Can we talk to NFLPA and get contract mod nullified."   Then Richie and Bills could have sat down and made agreement he and Bills could agree on or if Bills insisted on salary cut he could have refused and let them determine if money was enough reason to cut him.

 

The tweets acting like a twit gave Bills every valid reason not to be in a reasonable mood.

 

It appears agent signed for him for he gave agent right.  That was the mistake but understand why some players may want to do this.

 

I agree about the tweets acting like a twit.

 

I'm curious about the source that the contract was signed by RI's agent and not by RI.  That would seem very unusual to me, certainly not without communicating the terms to RI and getting a verbal OK.  I can not imagine a reputable agent (and Athletes First is very reputable) that wished to stay in business, behaving this way.

 

Can you help me out with a source on this "signed by agent and not RI" please?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said:

You realize the team signs the contract too and they can cut him at any time?  The NFL salary structure is at least 75% based on signing bonuses. This is not the NBA or MLB.  

The player has every right to hold out and demand what the market will pay.  The team has no obligation to renegotiate of course.  This has nothing to do with honor. It is economics.

 

I'm still SMH about the pretzel logic here.  Incognito had a contract.  He had no need to "hold out".  The Bills approach him and say "we'd like to ask you to renegotiate, or we may have to cut you".  RI can say "No".  "No" is a complete sentence.  Then the Bills cut him (if they want to) and he gets to see what the market will pay for a 34 year old guard who brings the nasty on Sunday and may not be the guy you want by your locker the rest of the week.

 

Then we hear all kinds of stuff that just doesn't make sense.  Somehow Athletes First which represents 68+ NFL players including stars like Aaron Rodgers, is supposed to have signed the contract on RI's behalf without RI knowing and agreeing to the terms.  Nuts.

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said:

You realize the team signs the contract too and they can cut him at any time?  The NFL salary structure is at least 75% based on signing bonuses. This is not the NBA or MLB.  

The player has every right to hold out and demand what the market will pay.  The team has no obligation to renegotiate of course.  This has nothing to do with honor. It is economics.

They negotiated that with the CBA.  It's on the players that this situation exists.  He signed a contract, he should live up to it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

That’s a five year old article and I think that time has proven Jonathan Martin was/is not a stable person. I’m not saying Richie is perfect but I don’t believe everything Martin claimed. 

 

I agree.  But, on the other hand, if I'm a team looking to shell out a contract for a 34 yr old guard, I look at his baggage.  And that Miami thing is part of his baggage, along with his previous history with the Rams.  He rehabilitated himself as a player in Miami and in Buffalo, but if I'm a GM I look at his very public behavior towards Buffalo, his previous history of drug and alcohol abuse and erratic behavior with the Rams and in Miami, and say "hmmmm"

[JoeF]

I heard the Hamilton Tiger-Cats need a G to block for their new QB....

Edited May 23, 2018 by JoeF