Harrison Phillips Senior Stats vs Suh

[Billsfanatixs]

Was just looking over college DT stats; Phillips compares well with Suh, identical height and weight,  Phillips had a few more total tackles and Suh had 3 more sacks and 7 more tackles for a loss, but stats are pretty close. 

 

What am I missing, did Suh face tougher competition? The small differential in numbers may be far greater than I am giving credit for, but I would have though Phillips would have been touted higher.

 

 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Billsfanatixs
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[mikemac2001]

I feel like suh faced better olines and more smash mouth offenses in the big ten 

 

while Harrison faced more open fast paced offense in the pac 12 

 

2 different styles 

 

[Augie]

I don’t think Phillips is nearly as “dominating”, but he’s incredibly productive and I was very surprised he dropped to us. 

[PIZ]

Found this on NFL.com:

 

 

Weaknesses

• Has build of a guard
• Has higher center of gravity than most nose guards
• Plays too straight-legged robbing him of base width and balance
• Finds himself on the ground too often
• More active than athletic
• Looks plodding in lateral movement and change of direction
• Unable to sink and shift with adequate change of direction
• Quick lineman can cross his face and find positioning to wall him off
• Lacks a plan as a rusher
• Can get better with using hands as rush weapons
• Secondary rush can get bogged down

Sources Tell Us

"I'm kind of surprised at how high the media scout types are on him. Where do you play him? Loses balance which makes nose tough and he doesnt have athleticism to play with three-technique. But I get that he makes a bunch of plays and he's obviously a strong guy. I just see him as a day three player." -- NFC West Coast scout

[MJS]

How do their combine numbers compare?

[Formerly Allan in MD]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

I don’t think Phillips is nearly as “dominating”, but he’s incredibly productive and I was very surprised he dropped to us. 

If only a high end offensive lineman had also dropped to us.

[Augie]

Just now, Formerly Allan in MD said:

If only a high end offensive lineman had also dropped to us.

 

Rome was not built in a day. I’m praying for one or two more decent random signings, and a nice influx next year. I firmly believe in getting a QB and building both lines. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

3 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Found this on NFL.com:

 

 

Weaknesses

• Has build of a guard
• Has higher center of gravity than most nose guards
• Plays too straight-legged robbing him of base width and balance
• Finds himself on the ground too often
• More active than athletic
• Looks plodding in lateral movement and change of direction
• Unable to sink and shift with adequate change of direction
• Quick lineman can cross his face and find positioning to wall him off
• Lacks a plan as a rusher
• Can get better with using hands as rush weapons
• Secondary rush can get bogged down

Sources Tell Us

"I'm kind of surprised at how high the media scout types are on him. Where do you play him? Loses balance which makes nose tough and he doesnt have athleticism to play with three-technique. But I get that he makes a bunch of plays and he's obviously a strong guy. I just see him as a day three player." -- NFC West Coast scout

Party pooper.  Good coaching can fix some of this.

[Green Lightning]

5 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Found this on NFL.com:

 

 

Weaknesses

• Has build of a guard
• Has higher center of gravity than most nose guards
• Plays too straight-legged robbing him of base width and balance
• Finds himself on the ground too often
• More active than athletic
• Looks plodding in lateral movement and change of direction
• Unable to sink and shift with adequate change of direction
• Quick lineman can cross his face and find positioning to wall him off
• Lacks a plan as a rusher
• Can get better with using hands as rush weapons
• Secondary rush can get bogged down

Sources Tell Us

"I'm kind of surprised at how high the media scout types are on him. Where do you play him? Loses balance which makes nose tough and he doesnt have athleticism to play with three-technique. But I get that he makes a bunch of plays and he's obviously a strong guy. I just see him as a day three player." -- NFC West Coast scout

Other than that, what's not to like? Don't forget, they said Kyle Williams was not strong on the point, could be  driven off the line, and likely would never be a starter.

[billspro]

I think his athletic ability is vastly underrated. He will be a top 4 DT from this class for sure, maybe even better.

[PIZ]

4 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Party pooper.  Good coaching can fix some of this.

 

I love the pick.  He was the guy I wanted the most in the draft.

 

 

[billspro]

1 minute ago, PIZ said:

 

I love the pick.  He was the guy I wanted the most in the draft.

 

 

 

I didnt think he would be there in the second. I was so happy he was there in the third. He is going to play DT for us for a long time.

[Billsfanatixs]

 

Harrison is Catfish Cooley.....Patent Date: 5-17-18

[The Now Moment]

The tape says it all.  Suh was physically dominant in college and had an explosion that Phillips simply doesn't have.  Phillips gets the job done but lacks the explosion.  That's why a lot of his tackles are past the line of scrimmage, not behind it like Suh's.  

[Aussie Joe]

Kyle Williams scouting report...

 

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/kyle_williams.html

 

Quote

Kyle is not a great natural athlete. He won’t beat players with raw physical ability. Without that standout athleticism, he may lack the pure size to be a consistent all around threat like he was at LSU.

 

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, mikemac2001 said:

I feel like suh faced better olines and more smash mouth offenses in the big ten 

 

while Harrison faced more open fast paced offense in the pac 12 

 

2 different styles 

 

Which is even more impressive for Phillips. 

[billspro]

1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

The tape says it all.  Suh was physically dominant in college and had an explosion that Phillips simply doesn't have.  Phillips gets the job done but lacks the explosion.  That's why a lot of his tackles are past the line of scrimmage, not behind it like Suh's.  

 

Thats not true at all. Phillips had lots of TFL and tackles at the LOS. He had to play nose against double teams, he did not have many pass rush opportunities. Phillips has more athletic ability than given credit for.

[mikemac2001]

5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Which is even more impressive for Phillips. 

 

 

Pac12 oline va big ten lol

 

he out up numbers bc he is smart and a solid athlete suh just dominated bc he is a freak 

 

not hating on Harrison but you get more tackles if they run more plays now TOL n sacks is different 

[Justice]

I love the pick but I thought Mo Hurst would’ve been the better fit. Still. I’m excited about the pick. 

[jr1]

he was a fine pick for 96

[Aussie Joe]

This guy was picked at 96...

 

He is a freaking steal...

 

Adolphus Washington was picked in the 80's by comparison...

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, Billsfanatixs said:

Was just looking over college DT stats; Phillips compares well with Suh, identical height and weight,  Phillips had a few more total tackles and Suh had 3 more sacks and 7 more tackles for a loss, but stats are pretty close. 

 

What am I missing, did Suh face tougher competition? The small differential in numbers may be far greater than I am giving credit for, but I would have though Phillips would have been touted higher.

 

 

 

Easy. Suh was a once-in-every-generation talent out of college --- Phillips wasn't.

 

With that said, the Phillips pick is huge because it sets the Bills up with an anchor in the d-line for years to come when it appeared that the Star Lotulei signing would serve somewhat as insurance after K. Williams retired.

 

Phillips I thought would go in the 2nd rd for sure, but I also believed he could be drafted late 1st rd.

 

Phillips still being around by the time the Bills picked again in the 3rd. rd is probably the biggest "gift" of all the Bills picks. However, if you have a hard time remembering why Suh was thought of so highly, just look at his Combine numbers.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

3 hours ago, Billsfanatixs said:

Was just looking over college DT stats; Phillips compares well with Suh, identical height and weight,  Phillips had a few more total tackles and Suh had 3 more sacks and 7 more tackles for a loss, but stats are pretty close. 

 

What am I missing, did Suh face tougher competition? The small differential in numbers may be far greater than I am giving credit for, but I would have though Phillips would have been touted higher.

 

 

 

Suh  was a man amongst boys, whereas Phillips wasn't as dominating . That said I think Phillips will be as good as Suh in the pros.

 

 

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

This guy was picked at 96...

 

He is a freaking steal...

 

Adolphus Washington was picked in the 80's by comparison...

 

Is he still on the team?

 

 

[Tsaikotic]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Is he still on the team?

 

 

Yes he is

[BillnutinHouston]

Heart is not a measurable. 

[JM57]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Suh  was a man amongst boys, whereas Phillips wasn't as dominating . That said I think Phillips will be as good as Suh in the pros.

 

 

 

Is he still on the team?

 

 

Unfortunately

[eball]

6 hours ago, PIZ said:

 

• Finds himself on the ground too often

 

Where else would he be?

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[Da webster guy]

Hey if he's built like a guard, I know a team that's in need of two guards.......

 

just sayin

[Soda Popinski]

9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Kyle Williams scouting report...

 

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/kyle_williams.html

 

 

Someone give that scout a slow clap.

[JESSEFEFFER]

I would be curious about the number of snaps each played.  That may tell the story.  

[yungmack]

12 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Party pooper.  Good coaching can fix some of this.

What, he didn't have good coaching at Stanford?

[Wagon Circler]

Catfish Cooley?

Glad we landed him.

[BillsBytheBay]

For what it's worth, I understand it's a different conference and everything but Phillips last year in college is very comparable statistically to Suh's 2008 season in Nebraska.

Edited May 18, 2018 by JaxBills

[BUFFALOKIE]

17 hours ago, Billsfanatixs said:

 

Harrison is Catfish Cooley.....Patent Date: 5-17-18

I never heard of Catfish Cooley before, but I like that dude. He described my life damn near to a T. He has a great message and I guess I needed to hear it today. 

 

 

BIG EDIT: I looked up Catfish Cooleys other YouTube's and the first one is of him drinking a quart of vinegar then snorting hot sauce and pouring hot sauce in his eyes. Just to prove that since he quit drinking he is not a little weenie. 

 

HAHAHA. from an actual inspirational self help video to jackass. The intenet is a helluva drug.

 

Oh boy.

Edited May 18, 2018 by BUFFALOKIE

[DC Tom]

17 hours ago, PIZ said:

 

Weaknesses

• Can get better with using hands as rush weapons

 

[Billsfanatixs]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

I never heard of Catfish Cooley before, but I like that dude. He described my life damn near to a T. He has a great message and I guess I needed to hear it today. 

 

 

BIG EDIT: I looked up Catfish Cooleys other YouTube's and the first one is of him drinking a quart of vinegar then snorting hot sauce and pouring hot sauce in his eyes. Just to prove that since he quit drinking he is not a little weenie. 

 

HAHAHA. from an actual inspirational self help video to jackass. The intenet is a helluva drug.

 

Oh boy.

The guy cracks me up, Phillips looks a lot like him, but speaks English a good bit better lol

[MtlBillsFan]

On 5/18/2018 at 5:04 AM, BillnutinHouston said:

Heart is not a measurable.

 

Bingo! 

[blacklabel]

On 5/18/2018 at 11:29 AM, JESSEFEFFER said:

I would be curious about the number of snaps each played.  That may tell the story.  

 

I'm not sure about Suh but Phillips played somewhere around 90% of the defensive snaps for Stanford last season, which is a lot for a DL. He said he would have to pick and choose some plays where he wouldn't go all out in order to preserve some energy. As part of a consistent rotation, he has a chance to standout early in his career. Especially as he learns from a guy like 95. And a lot of his flaws can be corrected with coaching. 

 

I also thought it was funny to see that bit from a scouting report on Kyle, saying he's not much of an athlete, haha. It's funny because plenty of coaches and teammates have said Kyle is one of the best natural athletes they've been around. He's what they call a "big body athlete." He has an explosive first step, he's strong as hell and just as smart. I hear he's also a ridiculously good golfer. 

[SouthNYfan]

On 5/17/2018 at 11:51 PM, Buffalo30 said:

The tape says it all.  Suh was physically dominant in college and had an explosion that Phillips simply doesn't have.  Phillips gets the job done but lacks the explosion.  That's why a lot of his tackles are past the line of scrimmage, not behind it like Suh's.  

 

Nailed it.

Suh was dominant in the NFL at first too, until his work ethic, poor attitude, and lack of discipline on the field caught up with him.

The guy was an absolute monster, complete waste of talent at this point.

On 5/18/2018 at 5:04 AM, BillnutinHouston said:

Heart is not a measurable. 

 

Very true

Just ask Rudy ?

On 5/18/2018 at 2:45 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Suh  was a man amongst boys, whereas Phillips wasn't as dominating . That said I think Phillips will be as good as Suh in the pros.

 

 

 

Is he still on the team?

 

 

 

I see his career being much more consistent, and probably longer than suhs, but he'd be hard pressed to be as dominant as Suh was early on, before he self destructed.