Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: That's not low standards. It's a different idea about how the best results will be obtained. He stated he is "perfectly happy, no matter how poorly he plays." If you want to believe poor play is an approach to achieve the best results... well, like I said, to each their own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: I am perfectly happy, no matter how poorly he plays, starting McCarrot for at least two years and developing Allen on the bench. Tell that to the season ticket holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: 1) What is your name? 2) What is your quest? 3) What is the air speed of an unladen swallow? Buddy the Elf, what’s your favorite color? Wait, I think I may have done that wrong..... but Buddy will just get some snow balls chucked at him. 2 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Tell that to the season ticket holders. I don’t have seasons, but if he needs time I’m glad tossing in most or all of a season if it’s best in the long run. My eye is looking more down the road, but I get the frustration. This is why we pay big bucks....to guys who could get canned at any time. Time will tell if they were right on the choice, and how it turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Tell that to his cat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wyo_Bills Fan said: He stated he is "perfectly happy, no matter how poorly he plays." If you want to believe poor play is an approach to achieve the best results... well, like I said, to each their own! He would be happy no matter how poorly McCarron plays because he thinks how well McCarron plays is highly unimportant. As do I. What's important is how well Allen is developed. Poor play by a guy who has no future with the club (if he plays poorly) is of very little importance, and yeah, keeping him out there anyway might well lead to the best long-term results for the Bills. Again, it ain't low standards. It's different priorities and different expectations about what will bring the best results down the road. Edited May 17, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, billspro said: I’m hoping we have a Brees and Rivers situation. I would love to get a first round pick for McCarron. Temper your expects bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Temper your expects bro. I will be happy with a QB that doesn’t make mistakes and throws accurately when given time and doesn’t lose games we drafted Alan to be that QB that eventually could put a team on his shoulders and win let’s give him some time though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theRalph Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 AJ was brought here not so much to start as to establish the Bills 2018 QB floor. He should edge Nate. The question is where will Allen fit. It’s a competition like Beane says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: 1) What is your name? 2) What is your quest? 3) What is the air speed of an unladen swallow? African or European? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I believe that the Bills offense will be far better then what most believe. AJ will be a better pocket QB, will make on-time throws and has enough movement skills to buy time and make a few plays with his legs. The offensive line is going to be better with a new style of play and better coaching. The wide receivers are going to improve with a healthy Benjamin and Zay Jones and the new additions. My expectations for AJ are 3500 yards passing with 22 TD's and 10 Ints, 61% completion rate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Temper your expects bro. Nope, Beane and McDermott have this thing turned around. This team is going to surprise everyone this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 hours ago, vincec said: Honestly, they'll be lucky if he's as good a Tyrod Taylor was. And with a weakened offensive line, a below average receiving corp and a new OC with a poor history as an NFL OC... well you see the concern. They're going to need the defense to carry them. 30th in passing.... the Bills will be seriously unlucky if McCarron cannot best Tyrod Taylor as a QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBorBust2018 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I would love for AJ to put up some numbers. Although I’m expecting this to be a bottom 5 offense from a talent standpoint. Receivers are bad. Offensive line questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I will be happy with a QB that doesn’t make mistakes and throws accurately when given time and doesn’t lose games we drafted Alan to be that QB that eventually could put a team on his shoulders and win let’s give him some time though I could live with that as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) I actually like sleeping... So i'm fine with anything involving sleeping... I also like surprises, who doesn't like surprises? It always struck me as odd, people who say they don't like surprises. I feel like they always say that to try to induce someone into surprising them. They're like that annoying person who keeps reminding you when their birthday is coming up. I'm not getting you anything, get over it. I might not even wish you a happy birthday. In the absence of wishing a happy birthday, am I wishing a bad one? No. But these selfish people just interpret that as such, I just don't care. Have as good of a birthday as you desire. Back to the surprise thing though, it's awful. No one actually dislikes surprises. Perhaps they dislike what they are surprised with, but surprise just in itself is a good thing. Who complains about being surprised with some steak, wings, pizza, a beer, whatever, a good game. Surprised by the 2017 Bills making the playoffs, no one is mad at those surprises. My roommates dog ***** in the house, yea that's not a good surprise. But it's the fact that it's dog **** surprising me that makes me not like it, not that I'm surprised by it. If the dog texted me and gave me a heads up I wouldn't be any happier about it. So in the end, Sleeping on McCarron seems like the most likely route to my happiness. I don't get let down, I sleep, and I'm right. Or I get a nice surprise... Edited May 17, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 4 hours ago, DC Tom said: I am perfectly happy, no matter how poorly he plays, starting McCarrot for at least two years and developing Allen on the bench. I don’t believe you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Wyo_Bills Fan said: He stated he is "perfectly happy, no matter how poorly he plays." If you want to believe poor play is an approach to achieve the best results... well, like I said, to each their own! these things are easy to say in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Would love to end up with a Drew Brees / Philip Rivers situation, with the difference being that we can trade AJ for a haul as he's under contract next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: 30th in passing.... the Bills will be seriously unlucky if McCarron cannot best Tyrod Taylor as a QB You’re not factoring in Taylor’s ability to make plays with his feet and avoid turnovers. I know it’s a low bar, but I’d be surprised if McCarron as a total package is better than Taylor. Edited May 18, 2018 by vincec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 the bills lost their 3 best O-lineman TT extended a lot of plays with his legs lookout beloooooooowwwwwww 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 at least the Bills have an elite kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 9 hours ago, DC Tom said: I am perfectly happy, no matter how poorly he plays, starting McCarrot for at least two years and developing Allen on the bench. Exactly. Let him develop on the Practice Squad for a year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Exactly. Let him develop on the Practice Squad for a year or so. I’m not 100% on this, but if we put Allen on the practice squad I’m pretty sure another team could sign him to their roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I’m not 100% on this, but if we put Allen on the practice squad I’m pretty sure another team could sign him to their roster He’s already signed by us. But if some other team does sign him, we could get a pretty good compensatory pick I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: He’s already signed by us. But if some other team does sign him, we could get a pretty good compensatory pick I reckon. Oh yeah he’s gotta be worth a 5th round compensatory pick for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I’m not 100% on this, but if we put Allen on the practice squad I’m pretty sure another team could sign him to their roster I think you are correct. If he's on the actual "practice squad" then they can take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I just watched this Youtube video containing McCarron's days at Alabama and based on this is obvious that McCarron IS THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK WHO EVER LIVED. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I just watched this Youtube video containing McCarron's days at Alabama and based on this is obvious that McCarron IS THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK WHO EVER LIVED. Maxwell Award (2013) Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (2013) First-team All-American (2013) 2× Second-team All-SEC (2012, 2013) 3× BCS national champion (2010, 2012, 2013) 2× SEC champion (2009, 2012) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I just watched this Youtube video containing McCarron's days at Alabama and based on this is obvious that McCarron IS THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK WHO EVER LIVED. I’d be shocked if McCarron threw less than 67 TDs this season... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Maxwell Award (2013) Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (2013) First-team All-American (2013) 2× Second-team All-SEC (2012, 2013) 3× BCS national champion (2010, 2012, 2013) 2× SEC champion (2009, 2012) Tim Tebow 2× BCS national champion (2006, 2008) 2× SEC champion (2006, 2008) 2× SEC Player of the Year (2008, 2009) Manning Award (2008) 2× Maxwell Award (2007, 2008) Heisman Trophy (2007) Davey O'Brien Award (2007)[1] AP Player of the Year (2007)[2] Sporting News Player of the Year (2007) 2× First-team All-American (2007, 2008) Second-team All-American (2009) 3× First-team All-SEC (2007–2009) College awards are meaningless. 6 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I’d be shocked if McCarron threw less than 67 TDs this season... Does that include pick-6 towards the TD total? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Does that include pick-6 towards the TD total? 67 tds O interceptions 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: I've been saying this since before the draft. I was happy that we didn't get trigger happy with the overpriced QBs during FA and we landed a cheap one that's actually better than what people think. I firmly believe that Cincy heavily invested in Dalton, which is why AJ never saw the field as much. Now that we've got him, Allen won't see the field at all this year. And by the end of the season, we're gonna be dealt with a good QB situation. That's not what our FO appears to be telegraphing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Tim Tebow 2× BCS national champion (2006, 2008) 2× SEC champion (2006, 2008) 2× SEC Player of the Year (2008, 2009) Manning Award (2008) 2× Maxwell Award (2007, 2008) Heisman Trophy (2007) Davey O'Brien Award (2007)[1] AP Player of the Year (2007)[2] Sporting News Player of the Year (2007) 2× First-team All-American (2007, 2008) Second-team All-American (2009) 3× First-team All-SEC (2007–2009) College awards are meaningless. Does that include pick-6 towards the TD total? Tebow has more playoff wins than any Bills QB playing for Buffalo in the last 17 years or so. Tebow and McCarron don't have the same QB style at all. It's an unfair comparison. Edited May 17, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 If AJ starts all year our ceiling is 6 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Exactly. Let him develop on the Practice Squad for a year or so. I see what you did here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: If AJ starts all year our ceiling is 6 wins. And how many with Allen and Peterman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: And how many with Allen and Peterman? Peterman would be lucky to win 2 games. Allen I suspect wins a similar number to AJ in 2018 but I just think whatever year Allen starts his first games you are going to have to live with some inconsistency. Not sure putting it off to 2019 will make him that much more polished, though maybe it will. Equally Allen is the one who if it does all come together can be a good starting Quarterback in this league. AJ can be a Brian Hoyer.... he will have some moments where he starts and looks capable and others where he doesn't. Firmly in the "top end backup" category for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Tebow has more playoff wins than any Bills QB playing for Buffalo in the last 17 years or so. Tebow and McCarron don't have the same QB style at all. It's an unfair comparison. 1) you used college awards as an argument that McCarron is a good NFL QB 2) SouthNY used another QB who earned college awards to make the point college awards do not have a strong correlation to NFL success 3) that would appear relevant to the argument you offered that McCarron is good because, college awards and honors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I see what you did here Tom started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 1) you used college awards as an argument that McCarron is a good NFL QB 2) SouthNY used another QB who earned college awards to make the point college awards do not have a strong correlation to NFL success 3) that would appear relevant to the argument you offered that McCarron is good because, college awards and honors. Tebow won awards primarily on his ability to run, McCarron won awards based on his ability to pass. Pocket passers are far more likely to have NFL success than running quarterbacks. Therefore, I don not think it is a fair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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