Current Bills on Chopping Block

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/29/buffalo-bills-andre-holmes-john-miller-adolphus-washington/

 

 

 

I saw this article and it made me think that these guys are really in for a fight to make it out of training camp. I think Holmes is likely out, of the other 2 Washington,Miller being part of old regime I could see 1 or both gone as well. Phillips, and Teller certainly put pressure on these guys.

 

I'm also interested in opinions on Nate Peterman. Are we bringing in competition? Veteran FA? Does NP make it? Is he on the practice squad if he does?

[Ittakestime]

Would be really dumb to get rid of either. Both are contributors at low prices tags

[PromoTheRobot]

I agree with the 3 mentioned. Not so sure about Holmes. Our WR corps is not exactly bursting with talent, at least known talent.

 

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[Wayne Cubed]

I actually think if Allen wins the back up job Nate Peterman could get cut or at the very least be put on the practice squad. McDermott will want that extra spot for a STer.

[boyst]

Washington has talent and upside. He is trade bait or at least going to get signed after he is cut.

 

I dislike cutting players in their first 3 years, they're so cheap

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

5 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I actually think if Allen wins the back up job Nate Peterman could get cut or at the very least be put on the practice squad. McDermott will want that extra spot for a STer.

I was wondering about that as well! The only thing is they drafted him last year.

6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I agree with the 3 mentioned. Not so sure about Holmes. Our WR corps is not exactly bursting with talent, at least known talent.

 

 

I have to believe Robert Foster from Ala can displace this guy if he shows any of his potential during camp.

9 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

Would be really dumb to get rid of either. Both are contributors at low prices tags

Are they?

[LeGOATski]

I had high hopes for Miller. I feel like he's been failed by all the coaching changes.

 

The OL is pretty thin. I don't see the point of dumping Miller this season, unless they add someone better.

[YoloinOhio]

I think they will keep 3 QBs

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Washington has talent and upside. He is trade bait or at least going to get signed after he is cut.

 

I dislike cutting players in their first 3 years, they're so cheap

 

Good point about trading. He would seem to be a candidate, not sure about Miller, but likely him as well. Holmes no way.

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I think they will keep 3 QBs

Likely, my question is who do they bring in to camp as they likely will. Veteran FA and/or UDFA? I do think they want to have a 4th for camp but not more because of reps.

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think they will keep 3 QBs

I hope so. I want them to sit Allen all year and be a student. Or just bring him in late in the year, if the Bills are out of the playoff race.

Edited April 29, 2018 by LeGOATski

[Wayne Cubed]

7 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

I was wondering about that as well! The only thing is they drafted him last year.

 

5th round pick though, not a massive investment. 

 

Like i said, I think he goes to the PS if Allen is clearly better at the very least. Doesn’t make sense having that spot tied up with Peterman when they’ve drafted someone like neal who is versatile and can play multiple positions.

 

WRT to Washington, he didn’t have a great year last year but then the Bills had nobody at the 1T to occupy blockers. Kyle didn’t have an amazing year at the 3T either, they needed guys like Star and Phillips.

 

Im actually hoping they bring Shaq inside on 3rd downs.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Wayne Cubed

[SCBills]

I’m hoping for an OL of Dawkins, Teller, Groy, Miller and McDermott with the vets we have as depth so I definitely don’t want to cut Miller.  That’s a mauling, young OL that can grow together. 

 

Washington will compete with Tenny Palepoi for 4th DT in our rotation so I guess he could get cut if he loses out.  

 

I think we only have 3 guarantees at the WR position in KB, Zay and Kerley.  The others (including Holmes) will fight it out with our draft picks/UDFA’s and I have to imagine we are very much in the market for another FA WR.  

[cd1]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think they will keep 3 QBs

 

I think that it would be asinine not to keep 3 QBs.

 

It would be a nightmare to re-create the Kevin Kolb - Ej Manual scenario.

 

 

[MJS]

Washington for sure. Holmes and Miller are part of weak position groups. They should stay.

[george c]

Washington’s going nowhere...

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I don't think Peterman gets cut. It's more likely than not,  if AJ starts they won't want Allen having to play this year should AJ have to miss sometime with an injury. Perhaps if Allen looks far ahead of schedule they may change their mind. But for now I would think the game plan would be to not force him into playing time until he is ready.

33 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Like i said, I think he goes to the PS if Allen is clearly better at the very least. Doesn’t make sense having that spot tied up with Peterman when they’ve drafted someone like neal who is versatile and can play multiple positions.

 

They didn't have anyone else beyond Taylor so when they had to bench him to light a fire under him they had to put the rookie in too soon last year. Result was 5INTs in the first half. They do not want the same scenario to present itself in week 2 or 3 of the season if AJ goes down. Only shot of Peterman being cut is if we bring in someone else or Allen looks really, really good. At which point Allen may just start week one anyway and make Peterman expendable. 

[Kwai San]

I say Miller goes nowhere as he was hosed by scheme changes left and right, he was good for awhile and then the scheme changed, maybe he should be able to adjust to that but wouldn't it make sense to play to his strengths?.....plus they  are thin on the O-Line.

 

Washington is seeing hand writing on wall.....with Star and Phillips additions his hold on a spot weakens mightly

 

Peterman?  Well there is an enigma....perhaps some high level meetings MIGHT save his bacon  - I would gather Sean likes him but then again who knows.  Maybe he learnt a few things and whatnot from last season and this off season that they deem him a needed piece.  He does know all the schemes for whatever thats worth.  I sincerely hope that one of two things happens - Allen wows everyone and is day one starter (I highly doubt this) AJ really steps up and provides better than average - meaning better than TT QB play and Allen gets to watch and learn which is what he has done throughout his progression to being a starting QB in college and then they can trade AJ for mucho picks or a stud at whatever position of need they have (I have more faith in this happening, not selling my house kinda faith but a strong hope).

 

Bottom line - we are still shaky in the QB position so no real reason to cut the high level meeting man.  Just my $0.02. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Why would they cut Washington or Miller?  Both are still cheap as hell on their rookie deals, and both provide depth.  Especially Washington...you know how McD loves his d-line rotation.

[FearLess Price]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

I had high hopes for Miller. I feel like he's been failed by all the coaching changes.

 

The OL is pretty thin. I don't see the point of dumping Miller this season, unless they add someone better.

 

 

Agree. Were going back to a power run scheme if Daboll has his way. We need to keep Miller, he will be solid.

[buffaloaggie]

4 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

 

 

Agree. Were going back to a power run scheme if Daboll has his way. We need to keep Miller, he will be solid.

The changes due to Dennison's inept offense caused Miller's downfall. Agreed, Miller is better suited to Daboll's scheme. I can't see the Bills cutting Miller, especially considering Incognito's quitting and he's relatively inexpensive.

[Wayne Cubed]

27 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I don't think Peterman gets cut. It's more likely than not,  if AJ starts they won't want Allen having to play this year should AJ have to miss sometime with an injury. Perhaps if Allen looks far ahead of schedule they may change their mind. But for now I would think the game plan would be to not force him into playing time until he is ready.

 

They didn't have anyone else beyond Taylor so when they had to bench him to light a fire under him they had to put the rookie in too soon last year. Result was 5INTs in the first half. They do not want the same scenario to present itself in week 2 or 3 of the season if AJ goes down. Only shot of Peterman being cut is if we bring in someone else or Allen looks really, really good. At which point Allen may just start week one anyway and make Peterman expendable. 

 

If AJ starts it doesn't mean they don't want Allen to play, look the stats have been shown that in the past 10 odd years a QB picked in the top ten has been red shirted all but once, Mahomes. Every other QB has been either forced into action or the starter has looked so bad they've made a switch. I think you may need to prepare yourself that Allen may play this year. This is why McBeane hasn't named a starter, AJ/Peterman aren't massive competition to Allen so it's possible he could beat out 1 or both of them.

 

They've already been preparing fans that 2018 is going to be a down year, so I don't really think they care if the same situation as the Chargers game presents itself. They know 2018 is going to be a building type year. 

 

And I've said they may keep Peterman on the practice squad, but I would be very surprise if that Allen looks alright and he beats out Peterman and that spot on the 53 goes to a more versatile player that can play special teams.

[Kmart128]

Has to be Washington... I like Adolphus as UT depth but we Resigned Kyle, signed 2 Free Agent DTs and just drafted Philips

[FearLess Price]

10 minutes ago, buffaloaggie said:

The changes due to Dennison's inept offense caused Miller's downfall. Agreed, Miller is better suited to Daboll's scheme. I can't see the Bills cutting Miller, especially considering Incognito's quitting and he's relatively inexpensive.

 

Word. Hopefully rookie guard wins the job and starts at LG it was the strong side. Now its kind of "lets see whos good in tc and ps."

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

5th round pick though, not a massive investment. 

 

Like i said, I think he goes to the PS if Allen is clearly better at the very least. Doesn’t make sense having that spot tied up with Peterman when they’ve drafted someone like neal who is versatile and can play multiple positions.

 

WRT to Washington, he didn’t have a great year last year but then the Bills had nobody at the 1T to occupy blockers. Kyle didn’t have an amazing year at the 3T either, they needed guys like Star and Phillips.

 

Im actually hoping they bring Shaq inside on 3rd downs.

 

 

I harp on this but Shaq is no good as a 3rd down interior pass rusher either because of the terrible first step.   

 

They tried it last preseason and not only was he getting nowhere on his own but they were running into him on stunts because he was still 3 feet behind his mark.......it was gross.

 

If he somehow drastically improves his get off he could be very good at end or as a 3rd down interior rusher.....but it's not something they can work around by sliding him inside if he is in a 3 point stance.

 

I actually think Rex might have thought he'd be better at OLB because he could be moving forward before the snap.  Once in motion he's got nice skills to work with.      

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...a bit of a shocker....thought for sure I'd open this up and see McBeane & Allen at the top of the list.......

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Peterman?  Well there is an enigma....perhaps some high level meetings MIGHT save his bacon  - I would gather Sean likes him but then again who knows.  Maybe he learnt a few things and whatnot from last season and this off season that they deem him a needed piece.  He does know all the schemes for whatever thats worth.  I sincerely hope that one of two things happens - Allen wows everyone and is day one starter (I highly doubt this) AJ really steps up and provides better than average - meaning better than TT QB play and Allen gets to watch and learn which is what he has done throughout his progression to being a starting QB in college and then they can trade AJ for mucho picks or a stud at whatever position of need they have (I have more faith in this happening, not selling my house kinda faith but a strong hope).

 

Bottom line - we are still shaky in the QB position so no real reason to cut the high level meeting man.  Just my $0.02. 

 

Does he?  New OC - expected to run a different system with different terminology - different schemes

[Putin]

5 hours ago, horned dogs said:

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/29/buffalo-bills-andre-holmes-john-miller-adolphus-washington/

 

 

 

I saw this article and it made me think that these guys are really in for a fight to make it out of training camp. I think Holmes is likely out, of the other 2 Washington,Miller being part of old regime I could see 1 or both gone as well. Phillips, and Teller certainly put pressure on these guys.

 

I'm also interested in opinions on Nate Peterman. Are we bringing in competition? Veteran FA? Does NP make it? Is he on the practice squad if he does?

I’m pretty sure AJ is our Veteran FA 

[Mat68]

I think all three are battling for a roster spot.  If Streeter didnt break his toe im not sold Holmes makes the team last year.  Miller fell out of favor same goes for Washington.  Playing beside Phillips should allow Washigton to be a true 3 tech.  The problem is Washington is a tweener who was more productive at De in college. 

[swnybillsfan]

6 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Washington has talent and upside. He is trade bait or at least going to get signed after he is cut.

 

I dislike cutting players in their first 3 years, they're so cheap

 

i was wondering if washington could be used to try to trade for a position of greater need for the team, since it seems that we now have more depth at the dt position. kind of a depth swap with maybe a receiver heavy team?

6 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I actually think if Allen wins the back up job Nate Peterman could get cut or at the very least be put on the practice squad. McDermott will want that extra spot for a STer.

i was thinking they would want to keep and develop peterman as a backup, and try to flip mccaron for a pick or player if he does well or if allen looks good enough to take over in the near future.

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said:

i was wondering if washington could be used to try to trade for a position of greater need for the team, since it seems that we now have more depth at the dt position. kind of a depth swap with maybe a receiver heavy team?

i was thinking they would want to keep and develop peterman as a backup, and try to flip mccaron for a pick or player if he does well or if allen looks good enough to take over in the near future.

I'd have gave him up for Switzer

[swnybillsfan]

2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I'd have gave him up for Switzer

Barry? i never liked that guy. do you think he can still play?

[Kwai San]

17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Does he?  New OC - expected to run a different system with different terminology - different schemes

 

Well he knows where the meeting rooms are - the high level meeting rooms - THAT has to count for something no? 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

If nothing else the 3 of them should be highly motivated in camp. And, on that alone, perhaps 1 or 2 make it.

[BuffaloHokie13]

I think Peterman ends up on the PS. I could see Holmes potentially getting released if Streater flashes like he did last year. Washington & Miller are pretty safe imo, Miller moreso than Washington though.

[Dadonkadonk]

I think they will caary three QBs. Alexander will not make it out of camp. Adolphus will backup DT and DE. Miller will win back starting G spot. If the rookie looks good, they will cut Ducasse.  Lastly Ivory will be gone after the first preseason game. He is done. WR is a mess so who knows who will stick with that group.

[jr1]

I think they'll cut Nate and use Thomas for emergency QB

[Magox]

Would cutting Adolphus net a comp pick?

[Manther]

On 2018-04-29 at 8:39 AM, Kmart128 said:

Has to be Washington... I like Adolphus as UT depth but we Resigned Kyle, signed 2 Free Agent DTs and just drafted Philips

Injuries happen on our teams and other teams. I would think they would trade him if they could get something for him and have time to wait for the situations to develop.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I think Peterman ends up on the PS. I could see Holmes potentially getting released if Streater flashes like he did last year. Washington & Miller are pretty safe imo, Miller moreso than Washington though.

 

 

...have to agree......kid did show some signs of understanding the mental aspect of the game at this level early on......HOWVER.....keep in mind minis, OTA's , TC scant pre-season stuff along with regular season mop up (STILL think the SD start smells of Dennison's push as he could not work with TT, pretty evident by his inconsistent game plans), all of which constitute a "career" in this mecca of budding GM candidates....hell, some "pundit declared the Peterman "era" as over....era?......SMH.......and the fine "whine" continues with Allen.....

[Punching Bag]

On 4/29/2018 at 10:23 AM, cd1 said:

I think that it would be asinine not to keep 3 QBs.

It would be a nightmare to re-create the Kevin Kolb - Ej Manual scenario.

 

Yes look what happened when a totally unprepared QB was inserted in game.  He should have been on practice squad throwing passes to DB not playing for Bills.  Of course in his case cutting P5t5rman which be addition by subtraction.