Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I’m still bitter we traded for this bum and shafted Flutie. https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/rob_johnson_still_seems_upset_about_losing_buffalo_bills_qb_job_to_doug_flutie.amp 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Totally agree with that! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Agree with you too sky diver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Does RJ even know he's the all time NFL leader in sack per drop back percentage - an astonishing 14.8% rate - and that it's not even close for second place. They had to invent a whole new QBR after he single handedly exposed the sack flaw in the standard rating system. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilton Bills Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Yepper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Didn't read the link but the legend of Doug Flutie is false. He sucked. 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Not for nothing but Rob Johnson had the game won. Before the forward pass happened!!! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I was a huge RH fan, but he brought it on himself. He had all the tools, but rarely but a complete game together. The sacks were atrocious. He had the season finale against the Colts which won him the Titans game and he left that field a winner. Other than that, he never did anything to shut up the Flutie supporters. And when Flutie was out there, he was electric. But a Flutie equally lost us the Dolphins playoff game. They were polar opposite players. So when one didn’t do well, you automatically wanted the other 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Rob Johnson is the personification of how difficult it is to evaluate qbs. From a tools standpoint he has it all. But that isn't the essence of the position. It's how you see things and react. His inability to not take sacks and instead just throw it away or take the outlet play would drive you crazy. At the time I advocated for RJ over Flutie. I still believe that he was a better qb. The more public and personable Flute was a better self-promoter and had a more compelling story than the bland and inscrutable RJ. Much of the public support for Flutie had to do with the fact that the Buffalo audience related better to Flute than Johnson. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 RJ was a 4th rd pick. The Bills liked him because of one good career start and because he could spin the ball. The Jags fleeced us. 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: Rob Johnson is the personification of how difficult it is to evaluate qbs. From a tools standpoint he has it all. But that isn't the essence of the position. It's how you see things and react. His inability to not take sacks and instead just throw it away or take the outlet play would drive you crazy. At the time I advocated for RJ over Flutie. I still believe that he was a better qb. The more public and personable Flute was a better self-promoter and had a more compelling story than the bland and inscrutable RJ. Much of the public support for Flutie had to do with the fact that the Buffalo audience related better to Flute than Johnson. I liked him because he was exciting to watch and he found ways to win games. He had a 70% winning percentage with the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Doesn't RJ have a ring? Would he have got it in B-Lo? He needs to keep a "gratitude journal." His memory is slipping. 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: RJ was a 4th rd pick. The Bills liked him because of one good career start and because he could spin the ball. The Jags fleeced us. I liked him because he was exciting to watch and he found ways to win games. He had a 70% winning percentage with the Bills. Except for the one game we needed him most... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 This guy is on one hell of a crusade. FROM 1999. Troll. Pure troll, and can't even be debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, JohnC said: Rob Johnson is the personification of how difficult it is to evaluate qbs. From a tools standpoint he has it all. But that isn't the essence of the position. It's how you see things and react. His inability to not take sacks and instead just throw it away or take the outlet play would drive you crazy. At the time I advocated for RJ over Flutie. I still believe that he was a better qb. The more public and personable Flute was a better self-promoter and had a more compelling story than the bland and inscrutable RJ. Much of the public support for Flutie had to do with the fact that the Buffalo audience related better to Flute than Johnson. Well said. I usually just point out that Flutie was a selfish prick and a crappy QB. But you did it with much nicer words! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Virgil said: I was a huge RH fan, but he brought it on himself. He had all the tools, but rarely but a complete game together. The sacks were atrocious. He had the season finale against the Colts which won him the Titans game and he left that field a winner. I remember leaving that game thinking finally, this guy is gonna be the franchise QB the Bills had been looking for. He was impressive as hell that day. Then... well you know the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, Epstein's Mother said: I remember leaving that game thinking finally, this guy is gonna be the franchise QB the Bills had been looking for. He was impressive as hell that day. Then... well you know the rest. You mean, he left the field with a win in hand, only to have it blown by the ST? Yeah, bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Rob Johnson's QB rating and points per game were real good his first 2 years in Buffalo. It is a very small sample size though. I think he could have succeeded had they committed to him. Flutie was so fun to watch his first season in Buffalo though. His 2nd season was sub par. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandGoal Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Virgil said: I was a huge RH fan, but he brought it on himself. He had all the tools, but rarely but a complete game together. The sacks were atrocious. He had the season finale against the Colts which won him the Titans game and he left that field a winner. Other than that, he never did anything to shut up the Flutie supporters. And when Flutie was out there, he was electric. But a Flutie equally lost us the Dolphins playoff game. They were polar opposite players. So when one didn’t do well, you automatically wanted the other 16 minutes ago, JohnC said: Rob Johnson is the personification of how difficult it is to evaluate qbs. From a tools standpoint he has it all. But that isn't the essence of the position. It's how you see things and react. His inability to not take sacks and instead just throw it away or take the outlet play would drive you crazy. At the time I advocated for RJ over Flutie. I still believe that he was a better qb. The more public and personable Flute was a better self-promoter and had a more compelling story than the bland and inscrutable RJ. Much of the public support for Flutie had to do with the fact that the Buffalo audience related better to Flute than Johnson. 1) i agree with both these statements. 2) but RJ should get over it..." be better , not bitter" 3) why is this article brought up again-- wasnt this mentioned when the article first came out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Doesn't RJ have a ring? Would he have got it in B-Lo? He needs to keep a "gratitude journal." His memory is slipping. Except for the one game we needed him most... You appear to be forgetting a couple of critical elements of the Miami game. 1. Mounds fumbled away a near certain TD on the Miami 12 yrd line after a 65 yrd pass play. 2. Andre Reed bumped the referee after he was called down on Miami’s 1 yrd line and earned an ejection and a 15 yrd penalty. The Bills had to settle for a FG. 3. The Bills committed 9 penalties and had 4 fumbles. Edited April 22, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Well said. I usually just point out that Flutie was a selfish prick and a crappy QB. But you did it with much nicer words! The local press covering the Bills despised (probably too strong a word) Flutie. He wouldn't give them the time of day because he could get greater exposure dealing with the national press covering the sport. RJ was more team oriented and supportive of Flutie when he played and it wasn't reciprocated by Flutie when RJ played. These two qbs ended up despising one another. Most people sided with Flute while I don't and didnt. Many people were drawn into the compelling Flutie and family story of his autistic son. There was the other side of Flutie who was a self-promoting back stabber and two-faced manipulator. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Doug Flutie is/was the master of PR. He destroyed that locker room but always put his smile on for the cameras. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnC said: The local press covering the Bills despised (probably too strong a word) Flutie. He wouldn't give them the time of day because he could get greater exposure dealing with the national press covering the sport. RJ was more team oriented and supportive of Flutie when he played and it wasn't reciprocated by Flutie when RJ played. These two qbs ended up despising one another. Most people sided with Flute while I don't and didnt. Many people were drawn into the compelling Flutie and family story of his autistic son. There was the other side of Flutie who was a self-promoting back stabber and two-faced manipulator. Dude, you're right on the money with this. Flutie was a grade-a !@#$, and NOT the quarterback the OP thought he was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) And everyone around here says that Flutie was the only jerk out of the two. 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Dude, you're right on the money with this. Flutie was a grade-a !@#$, and NOT the quarterback the OP thought he was. RJ sounds like quite the dbag in this interview himself, and he always was. Saying that people feel sorry for Doug because of his autistic son is a real scum bag comment. If RJ is this bitter years later, he certainly helped tear apart the locker room as well. Edited April 22, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 ... Rob didnt fare well after his shot in Buffalo so... 'nuff said.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, stony said: Doug Flutie is/was the master of PR. He destroyed that locker room but always put his smile on for the cameras. How did he manage to have a 70% winning percentage while destroying the locker room? It sounds nothing short of miraculous if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Anyone defending Robosack has no loyalty to the saying ‘dance with the girl that brung you to the Ball’. (If that’s even a saying) Flutie earned the right to start the MCM game. And they brushed him aside like a day old diaper. I dont get it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: And everyone around here says that Flutie was the only jerk out of the two. RJ sounds like quite the dbag in this interview himself, and he always was. Saying that people feel sorry for Doug because of his autistic son is a real scum bag comment. If RJ is this bitter years later, he certainly helped tear apart the locker room as well. Flutie didn’t say anything negative about Johnson when asked to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: ... Rob didnt fare well after his shot in Buffalo so... 'nuff said.... Neither did the midget. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie didn’t say anything negative about Johnson when asked to respond. Absolutely. This interview made Johnson sound like a terrible guy. Robby J needs to learn that some thoughts are best kept to oneself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Then he should have played better and not get sacked every orher play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: How did he manage to have a 70% winning percentage while destroying the locker room? It sounds nothing short of miraculous if true. I loved watching him here too, but his win percentage shouldn't obscure the fact he could be a crappy teammate. Like I said earlier, he played the PR game better than most. In a town like Buffalo, we ate that scrappy underdog crap up (literally, F'ing Flutie Flakes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, stony said: we ate that scrappy underdog crap up Not all of us did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Rolling this out again - every time this debate gets resurrected... http://buffalonews.com/2001/10/25/its-time-for-the-truth-about-flutie/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie didn’t say anything negative about Johnson when asked to respond. Flutie was very deft with his public comments toward Johnson. But that isn't the issue here. He was more critical and scathing behind closed doors and through non-attributed statements than many people are aware of. I'm not trying to knock Flutie as a player. He was a good player for the Bills. But what I am saying in my posts is that the public angelic persona that he had in Buffalo and more importantly the national scene was in reality more devilish than people are aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, stevewin said: Rolling this out again - every time this debate gets resurrected... http://buffalonews.com/2001/10/25/its-time-for-the-truth-about-flutie/ Bravo, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Well, I’m still bitter that we even drafted this clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, stevewin said: Rolling this out again - every time this debate gets resurrected... http://buffalonews.com/2001/10/25/its-time-for-the-truth-about-flutie/ Interesting article regarding Gleason. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ubbullrun.com/platform/amp/2018/3/22/17150354/bucky-gleason-rides-again-attacks-ub-athletics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, stevewin said: Rolling this out again - every time this debate gets resurrected... http://buffalonews.com/2001/10/25/its-time-for-the-truth-about-flutie/ Terrific research. This article summarizes what is being discussed here. The moral of the story is that the public face isn't the same as the private face. For some people image is reality and for others images are sometimes very fraudulent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ExiledInIllinois Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 41 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: You appear to be forgetting a couple of critical elements of the Miami game. 1. Mounds fumbled away a near certain TD on the Miami 12 yrd line after a 65 yrd pass play. 2. Andre Reed bumped the referee after he was called down on Miami’s 1 yrd line and earned an ejection and a 15 yrd penalty. The Bills had to settle for a FG. 3. The Bills committed 9 penalties and had 4 fumbles. You appear to be forgetting a few critical points of the Tenn Game: Homerun Throwback. Yeah... Took a miracle to lose, but they still lost, should have never been in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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