Rob Johnson is still bitter after 20 years

[Sky Diver]

9 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Quick question, the Bills defense was among the best in football when Flutie was QBing the Bills.  Why were they behind so much?

 

Staging heroic 4th quarter comebacks in combination with his autistic son was all part of Flutie's grand conspiracy to screw Johnson. Ingenious.

[Punching Bag]

On 4/22/2018 at 8:55 AM, Sky Diver said:

I’m still bitter we traded for this bum and shafted Flutie.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/rob_johnson_still_seems_upset_about_losing_buffalo_bills_qb_job_to_doug_flutie.amp

 

Rob Johnson signing was the bad joke on us.   Flutie signed an incentive based contract and hit every incentive.  I wish we had more of those type contracts rather than the guaranteed contracts which often bust.

 

Oh and Johnson's stats were impressive - injury stats.

[Sky Diver]

13 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Rob Johnson signing was the bad joke on us.   Flutie signed an incentive based contract and hit every incentive.  I wish we had more of those type contracts rather than the guaranteed contracts which often bust.

 

Oh and Johnson's stats were impressive - injury stats.

 

$25 million contract for a 4th rd draft pick who had one successful start in 3 seasons. Plus we gave up a 1st and a 4th rd pick for him.

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 4/22/2018 at 8:24 AM, 4merper4mer said:

Didn't read the link but the legend of Doug Flutie is false.  He sucked.

Flutie did suck.  He won games because we had arguably the best defense in the Bills history one year set a franchise record low number of points.

 

He had his one shot in the playoffs with the bills and fumbled the game away at the end on the five yard line.

 

Flutie is the most wildly overrated (by fans) bills player of all time and it isnt even close.

 

More importantly, it is long, long past due for Bills fans to get over it.

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Flutie did suck.  He won games because we had arguably the best defense in the Bills history one year set a franchise record low number of points.

 

He had his one shot in the playoffs with the bills and fumbled the game away at the end on the five yard line.

 

Flutie is the most wildly overrated (by fans) bills player of all time and it isnt even close.

 

More importantly, it is long, long past due for Bills fans to get over it.

 

Flutie had a 70% winning percentage and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage.

 

Flutie was 8 - 3 in 1998 and Johnson was 2 - 3. Flutie made the Pro-Bowl that year.

 

Flutie was 10 - 5 in 1999.

 

Flutie was 4 - 1 in 2000, Johnson was 4 - 7.

 

Flutie was released after the 2000 season and the Bills went 3 - 13 in 2001.

[Nanker]

!@#$ Rob Johnson and the horse he rode in on. 

[phypon]

Funny how people harp on "Flutie was a bad person and blah blah blah...".  and that the players didn't like him.  I also remember a lot of players calling Johnson a surfer dude that just sits by himself and is always playing video games.  Johnson also turned off a lot of players.  It goes both ways.  With that said, I'd rather have a little Flutie than a big Johnson  

[Gugny]

10 minutes ago, Nanker said:

!@#$ Rob Johnson and the horse he rode in on. 

 

I think that was Yoenis Cespedes in the 2016 pre-season.

[Epstein's Mother]

3 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

Not only did Johnson have an abysmal 34.5% winning percentage, he had the highest drop back to sack ratio in the NFL.

 

The article shows that he has no self-awareness of just how bad he was. If he thinks he really though that he lost his starting job because of Flutie’s autistic son, he’s delusional.

 

2 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

Rob Johnson career ended in 2003 at the age of 30. Flutie played until 2005 at the age of 43.

 

50 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Staging heroic 4th quarter comebacks in combination with his autistic son was all part of Flutie's grand conspiracy to screw Johnson. Ingenious.

 

24 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

$25 million contract for a 4th rd draft pick who had one successful start in 3 seasons. Plus we gave up a 1st and a 4th rd pick for him.

 

16 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Flutie had a 70% winning percentage and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage.

 

Flutie was 8 - 3 in 1998 and Johnson was 2 - 3. Flutie made the Pro-Bowl that year.

 

Flutie was 10 - 5 in 1999.

 

Flutie was 4 - 1 in 2000, Johnson was 4 - 7.

 

Flutie was released after the 2000 season and the Bills went 3 - 13 in 2001.

 

Definitely got it now.  Flutie > Johnson.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said:

 

 

 

 

 

Definitely got it now.  Flutie > Johnson.

 

It's the mother of all necro-crusades.

This guy, sky diver, is a piece of work.

 

[Epstein's Mother]

4 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

It's the mother of all necro-crusades.

This guy, sky diver, is a piece of work.

 

 

Wasted passion.

[Cynical]

On 4/22/2018 at 9:52 AM, Sky Diver said:

 

You appear to be forgetting a couple of critical elements of the Miami game.

 

1. Mounds fumbled away a near certain TD on the Miami 12 yrd line after a 65 yrd pass play.

2. Andre Reed bumped the referee after he was called down on Miami’s 1 yrd line and earned an ejection and a 15 yrd penalty. The Bills had to settle for a FG.

3. The Bills committed 9 penalties and had 4 fumbles.

 

 

2 of them by Flutie, plus a pick.

But it was Moulds and Reed's fault.

 

[dave mcbride]

29 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Flutie had a 70% winning percentage and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage.

 

Flutie was 8 - 3 in 1998 and Johnson was 2 - 3. Flutie made the Pro-Bowl that year.

 

Flutie was 10 - 5 in 1999.

 

Flutie was 4 - 1 in 2000, Johnson was 4 - 7.

 

Flutie was released after the 2000 season and the Bills went 3 - 13 in 2001.

What people forget about Johnson is why he was drafted in the fourth round. It wasn't because of talent, because in terms of being a physical specimen and a thrower, he was the best qb coming out in 1995. He was incredibly talented.The reason he dropped is because of his terrible performances in big games. He faced off against UCLA and ND 6 times, and USC won zero of those games. Why is that important? Because his LT was Tony Boselli and his #1 receivers were, in succession, Curtis Conway, Johnnie Morton, and Keyshawn Johnson. All were first round picks and all had excellent NFL careers (all over 500 receptions lifetime), and Boselli was the best college o-lineman I ever saw. That Trojans' team was LOADED; on D they had Darrell Russell and Willie McGinest. Yet all they got during the Johnson years were a couple of Freedom Bowl appearances and a Cotton Bowl appearance against a sad-sack (6-6) Texas Tech team.  It's also worth noting that his brother, Bret Johnson, was the #1 HS recruit in the country and chose UCLA. When he didn't win the job there, he left the program and transferred to Michigan State. He did nothing there either. Believe it when I say that Bret Johnson was HIGHLY touted.

Edited April 23, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Sky Diver]

5 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

2 of them by Flutie, plus a pick.

But it was Moulds and Reed's fault.

 

 

Flutie threw for 360 yards and ran for 29 yards, but it was a bad game all around that they should have won.

Edited April 23, 2018 by Sky Diver

[dave mcbride]

9 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

It's the mother of all necro-crusades.

This guy, sky diver, is a piece of work.

 

necro-crusade is a phenomenal term!

[Gugny]

There's two types of people in this world.

 

Pro-Flutie people - and people with good observation skills.

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

2 of them by Flutie, plus a pick.

But it was Moulds and Reed's fault.

 

Not for nothing, but that Miami defense was far better than the 1999 Titans' defense in pretty much every category. Flutie had turnovers, yes, but he basically lit the best defense in the league (1st in points allowed; 3rd in yards allowed; 1st i INTs; 3rd in passing TDs allowed; 3rd in net yards per passing attempt allowed) up like a Christmas tree. Tennessee's pass D in 1999 was 25th in passing yards given up and 27th in TD passes allowed.

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

There's two types of people in this world.

 

Pro-Flutie people - and people with good observation skills.

If you prefer Johnson over Flutie you have no observation skills. 

[Cynical]

3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Flutie threw for 360 yards, but it was a bad game all around that they should have won.

 

Flutie was the very definition of mediocrity.

360 yards? Yes! 1 TD and 3 Turnovers?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

Flutie was the very definition of mediocrity.

360 yards? Yes! 1 TD and 3 Turnovers?

 

Factual facts are factual.

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

Flutie was the very definition of mediocrity.

360 yards? Yes! 1 TD and 3 Turnovers?

 

A 70% winning percentage is hardly mediocre.

[Cynical]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

A 70% winning percentage is hardly mediocre.

 

A meaningless stat by itself.

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Not for nothing, but that Miami defense was far better than the 1999 Titans' defense in pretty much every category. Flutie had turnovers, yes, but he basically lit the best defense in the league (1st in points allowed; 3rd in yards allowed; 1st i INTs; 3rd in passing TDs allowed; 3rd in net yards per passing attempt allowed) up like a Christmas tree.

 

But that was typical Flutie. For all the "good" things he did, he would do enough stupid s**t to negate it.

He would scamper 15 yards on a 3rd down to keep a drive alive, but 3 plays later throw a pick into double coverage while there was wide open WR on the other side of the field.

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

A meaningless stat by itself.

 

But that was typical Flutie. For all the "good" things he did, he would do enough stupid s**t to negate it.

He would scamper 15 yards on a 3rd down to keep a drive alive, but 3 plays later throw a pick into double coverage while there was wide open WR on the other side of the field.

He was hardly the greatest player ever, but we shouldn't be holding him to that standard here given that the subject of this thread is ultimately Rob Johnson. In no world was Johnson better than Flutie. 

Edited April 23, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Buffalo Ballin]

Rob Johnson sucked monkey balls. And he's still bitter. He had plenty of opportunities to succeed on another team. Even the NFL Network openly dissed this guy. He sucked worse than Flutie.

[Cynical]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He was hardly the greatest player ever, but we shouldn't be holding him to that standard here given that the subject of this thread is ultimately Rob Johnson. In no world was Johnson better than Flutie. 

 

Never said RJ was better, but this concept that Fultie was somehow "good" is laughable.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

Never said RJ was better, but this concept that Fultie was somehow "good" is laughable.

 

 

I think he was "good" -- but not great. He was quite literally a better than average NFL qb from 1998-2000, the years he played for the Bills. His rating-plus number over the three years was 112, 97, and 112. 100 is average. The thing is, even in his down year - 1999 - he did good things: 476 rushing yards (a lot!). The Bills finished 11th in yards that year, so they were at least decent on offense. The game that I always go back to that season was the Baltimore game: he was terrible throughout most of it but pulled the rabbit out of the hat at the end. But what was most interesting about that relatively early-season game is the fact that no one knew how good that Ravens D actually was. They ended up dominating in 1999 (2nd overall) and had arguably the best defense ever the next season. 

Edited April 23, 2018 by dave mcbride

[ddaryl]

I would take RJ over Flutie every single day of every week ever

 

I hate that POS midget. Wish he would of stayed in CFL where he beloged

On 4/22/2018 at 7:00 AM, Spiderweb said:

... Rob didnt fare well after his shot in Buffalo so... 'nuff said....

 

 

Neither did Flutie before or after

[PatsFanNH]

On 4/22/2018 at 9:24 AM, 4merper4mer said:

Didn't read the link but the legend of Doug Flutie is false.  He sucked.

Ya lol he did was win everywhere he went, even Buffalo. But he just sucked.. I mean I know he wasn’t the greatest QB but since Kelly can you name one QB for Buffalo that was better?  (I’m honestly asking because I as an outsider can’t think of one better. Maybe Bledsoe but he was washed up by the time he got to Buffalo.)

[DriveFor1Outta5]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Rob Johnson sucked monkey balls. And he's still bitter. He had plenty of opportunities to succeed on another team. Even the NFL Network openly dissed this guy. He sucked worse than Flutie.

Exactly. I read his stats that someone had posted from 1998 which were something like a 62% completion rate with 8 TD’s and 3 INT’s. Those stats are in no way indicative of who Johnson was as a player. He could put up soild numbers with a limited sample size, but he lacked the ability to be a successful full time starter. If those numbers really meant anything, Johnson would have had a decent career long after leaving Buffalo. 

[Just in Atlanta]

He may very well be bitter, but I fail to see it based on the quotes he said, and I was on Team Flutie. 

 

Why is he bitter? Because the headline says so? He was being honest, and it was fun to see his POV. Flutie WAS considered a bit of a joke, until he started winning. Johnson understood, and dissected, the psychology behind the PR battle/public debate. And of course he thought he was the better QB. Wouldn't you if you were him? 

 

This is why public figures don't give honest interviews. So many people can't comprehend nuance. It's also a dishonest headline and weak journalism. The "contributing" writer on upstateNY.com didn't even do the interview. Just say what he said already and let readers analyze the internal workings of Johnson's mind themselves. 

[DriveFor1Outta5]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

There's two types of people in this world.

 

Pro-Flutie people - and people with good observation skills.

This is a bit hyperbolic. Of course there are some diehard Flutie fans, but the rest of us are far more reasonable. Flutie was a decent QB who helped lead his team during several seasons that were crucial to the future of this franchise. I don’t confuse him with Dan Marino, but I appreciate what he was able to for us. I’m easily “pro-Flutie” when his name is used in relation to Rob Johnson. How could anyone not see Rob Johnson get sacked every other drop back? No one has to like Flutie, but I don’t understand how an arguement could ever be made in Johnson’s favor either. 

13 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:

He may very well be bitter, but I fail to see it based on the quotes he said, and I was on Team Flutie. 

 

Why is he bitter? Because the headline says so? He was being honest, and it was fun to see his POV. Flutie WAS considered a bit of a joke, until he started winning. Johnson understood, and dissected, the psychology behind the PR battle/public debate. And of course he thought he was the better QB. Wouldn't you if you were him? 

 

This is why public figures don't give honest interviews. So many people can't comprehend nuance. It's also a dishonest headline and weak journalism. The "contributing" writer on upstateNY.com didn't even do the interview. Just say what he said already and let readers analyze the internal workings of Johnson's mind themselves. 

Bitterness is a subjective term, so I understand what you mean. With that said, it’s not cool to mention Flutie’s autistic son as being an element in losing your job. That does come across as a bitter statement. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch or fake news to call Johnson bitter. 

Edited April 23, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5

[Ol Dirty B]

5 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

Not only did Johnson have an abysmal 34.5% winning percentage, he had the highest drop back to sack ratio in the NFL.

 

The article shows that he has no self-awareness of just how bad he was. If he thinks he really though that he lost his starting job because of Flutie’s autistic son, he’s delusional.

 

Did you read the article that the article you linked from August was about?

 

Btw writing an article about an article is lazy and a joke.

[Just in Atlanta]

4 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

This is a bit hyperbolic. Of course there are some diehard Flutie fans, but the rest of us are far more reasonable. Flutie was a decent QB who helped lead his team during several seasons that were crucial to the future of this franchise. I don’t confuse him with Dan Marino, but I appreciate what he was able to for us. I’m easily “pro-Flutie” when his name is used in relation to Rob Johnson. How could anyone not see Rob Johnson get sacked every other drop back? No one has to like Flutie, but I don’t understand how an arguement could ever be made in Johnson’s favor either. 

Bitterness is a subjective term, so I understand what you mean. With that said, it’s not cool

to mention Flutie’s autistic son as being an element in losing your job. That does come across as bitter statement imo. 

I don't see it like that. He was saying that Flutie had PR on his side. Part of that was Flutie's son. He wasn't making fun of the kid or anything. It's just an observation, and it's likely an accurate one. 

[Ol Dirty B]

4 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

This is a bit hyperbolic. Of course there are some diehard Flutie fans, but the rest of us are far more reasonable. Flutie was a decent QB who helped lead his team during several seasons that were crucial to the future of this franchise. I don’t confuse him with Dan Marino, but I appreciate what he was able to for us. I’m easily “pro-Flutie” when his name is used in relation to Rob Johnson. How could anyone not see Rob Johnson get sacked every other drop back? No one has to like Flutie, but I don’t understand how an arguement could ever be made in Johnson’s favor either. 

Bitterness is a subjective term, so I understand what you mean. With that said, it’s not cool

to mention Flutie’s autistic son as being an element in losing your job. That does come across as bitter statement imo. 

 

Flutes charity was all over the place then and huge in the community.

[Just in Atlanta]

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Did you read the article that the article you linked from August was about?

 

Btw writing an article about an article is lazy and a joke.

That's nothing in today's world of "journalism." If this article generates a lot of interest, there will be articles about the articles and articles about readers' perception of the articles. It is weak. Just provide a link to the damn article already, do your own interviews, come up with your own story ideas, and do the job that journalists used to paid for. 

[Albwan]

On 4/22/2018 at 10:00 AM, Sky Diver said:

 

How did he manage to have a 70% winning percentage while destroying the locker room? It sounds nothing short of miraculous if true.

The retro hate some people have for flutie is kind of weird...

I mean as flawed as  tt is, people still campaign for him with heated ferocity...

yet somehow flutie sucked? Personally that was the last time as a bills

fan i was truly pumped for football as a bills fan and no year since has come

close. Is there something going on up there in buffalo where people don't

want an exciting qb or win?

[DriveFor1Outta5]

1 minute ago, Just in Atlanta said:

I don't see it like that. He was saying that Flutie had PR on his side. Part of that was Flutie's son. He wasn't making fun of the kid or anything. It's just an observation, and it's likely an accurate one. 

Flutie didn’t have PR on his side until Johnson got injuried (taking another sack) allowing Flutie to shine. Diminishing another’s success by pointing to an autistic child is low imo. Johnson had every chance to become the Bills franchise QB in 2000. He blew that opportunity by taking 49 sacks, and throwing for 5 TD’s and 7 INT’s. Don’t blame a guy’s autistic son for being a crap QB. Fans care about winning. Flutie became a fan favorite because the team was winning. Johnson had his chance to do the same. 

[billykay]

On 4/22/2018 at 9:52 AM, JohnC said:

The local press covering the Bills despised (probably too strong a word) Flutie. He wouldn't give them the time of day because he could get greater exposure dealing with the national press covering the sport. RJ was more team oriented and supportive of Flutie when he played and it wasn't reciprocated by Flutie when RJ played. These two qbs ended up despising one another. Most people sided with Flute while I don't and didnt. Many people were drawn into the compelling Flutie and family story of his autistic son. There was the other side of Flutie who was a self-promoting back stabber and two-faced manipulator. 

Yeah but, how do you really feel about Flutie ?

[DriveFor1Outta5]

16 minutes ago, Albwan said:

The retro hate some people have for flutie is kind of weird...

I mean as flawed as  tt is, people still campaign for him with heated ferocity...

yet somehow flutie sucked? Personally that was the last time as a bills

fan i was truly pumped for football as a bills fan and no year since has come

close. Is there something going on up there in buffalo where people don't

want an exciting qb or win?

I was teenager at the time, so that is the era which left the greatest impact. I remember the end of the Kelly era, but I didn’t get to see him at his best. Flutie came in at the perfect moment to reignite the passion of this fanbase. We were a nationally relevant franchise who could compete against anyone. It’s the last time this team actually mattered to the casual NFL fan. 20 years later this board is lighting up with posters claiming that Flutie is a jerk. Who cares? Are we naive enough to think that most of our favorite athletes aren’t jerks? I only want to win football

games, and make Sunday in Orchard Park relevant outside of Western NY. 

Edited April 23, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5

[T-Bomb]

Johnson was the better QB, bottom line.

[4_kidd_4]

Fresh stuff.