YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, horned dogs said: That's kinda my point, I wish we'd move sooner, even to 5. At least guarantee ourselves one of the top 4 QBs. So your belief about the hand size comment is that they really want Darnold, and that someone else wants Allen (us?) and Dorsey wants to trade down, take his guy at 2, and get a boatload of picks. I don’t know why he said it. I think he said it for a reason, but i don’t think it’s because he believes in it for his team. basically you can look at a GM’s patterns and actions and you can look at what he says publically to a room full of media the week before the draft . I think I know which one I believe. He’s already showed you what he actually thinks. Edited April 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Let's presuppose Beane was surprised at the early trade by the Jets to move to 3. He's definitely not going to get sucker-punched again. I'm sure the Colts know it is in their best interest to bring any alternative trade to the Bills before pulling the trigger. The Colts manipulated the Jets into that move by leveraging the Bills interest in the pick. There was no element of surprise there. The Bills were one of, if not the first team to discuss trading for the Colts pick at 3. But to the other point , yes teams know the Bills have a pocket full of picks. No GM is going to leave them out of the discussion if they want to trade out of the top of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: The Colts manipulated the Jets into that move by leveraging the Bills interest in the pick. There was no element of surprise there. The Bills were one of, if not the first team to discuss trading for the Colts pick at 3. But to the other point , yes teams know the Bills have a pocket full of picks. No GM is going to leave them out of the discussion if they want to trade out of the top of the draft. I think you are right. I was just granting the hypothetical, since horned dogs concern was that somehow we might be ambushed by the Cards or some other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, Dr. Who said: I think you are right. I was just granting the hypothetical, since horned dogs concern was that somehow we might be ambushed by the Cards or some other team. I get the concern, but I agree. The Bills have the most to give, so leaving them out of the discussion for any potential deal is foolish. I don't see teams such as AZ, MIA as a big threat. I'm concerned about the Patriots , though. While I don't think they'll move up big to draft a QB while Brady is still there, it's not beyond them to do so. They could throw Gronkowski into a deal, which would beat out any draft pick imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 9 Isles Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I think the Bills are going to end up without a chair when the music stops. Just a feeling, but it feels right. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I get the concern, but I agree. The Bills have the most to give, so leaving them out of the discussion for any potential deal is foolish. I don't see teams such as AZ, MIA as a big threat. I'm concerned about the Patriots , though. While I don't think they'll move up big to draft a QB while Brady is still there, it's not beyond them to do so. They could throw Gronkowski into a deal, which would beat out any draft pick imo. I really don't need any help hating those illegitimate progeny (euphemism for what I wanted to say, not sure about CoC on that word) Edited April 19, 2018 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evanmachlan Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I really don't need any help hating those illegitimate progeny (euphemism for what I wanted to say, not sure about CoC on that word) Bastages. Corksuckers. Iceholes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, evanmachlan said: Bastages. Corksuckers. Iceholes. Lol Bastages! This is faarrrrging war! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I get the concern, but I agree. The Bills have the most to give, so leaving them out of the discussion for any potential deal is foolish. I don't see teams such as AZ, MIA as a big threat. I'm concerned about the Patriots , though. While I don't think they'll move up big to draft a QB while Brady is still there, it's not beyond them to do so. They could throw Gronkowski into a deal, which would beat out any draft pick imo. Well...All that is possible for the Pats... But Gronk is not that big a piece...He's older, oft-injured, and he's going to want big money for at least a year... But if they do move way up they should not be surprised if Brady tells them he's not coming back...Because that team is full of holes, including at LT...And they'll be giving most of their capital up for another QB? Brady will flip... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 So many moving pieces. The closer we get, the more I worry that the Giants will trade back with the Browns. I'm locked in on Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield, and as a true Bills fan, my defensive pessimism is on the rise as the draft approaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 37 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: They could throw Gronkowski into a deal, which would beat out any draft pick imo. I keeps seeing this stated and don't agree with it at all. Why is anybody giving up a premium pick in the draft for a guy who is openly contemplating retirement? It makes zero sense to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, MDH said: I keeps seeing this stated and don't agree with it at all. Why is anybody giving up a premium pick in the draft for a guy who is openly contemplating retirement? It makes zero sense to me. Best TE in history and the retirement stuff might be overblown. Maybe he just needs more money and a guaranteed long term deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre1236 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 43 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said: I think the Bills are going to end up without a chair when the music stops. Just a feeling, but it feels right. Sorry. This is increasingly my worry, too. After all this waiting, pondering and anticipation, if the Bills walk away from round 1 with, say, a LB and OL it will be awfully deflating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, MDH said: I keeps seeing this stated and don't agree with it at all. Why is anybody giving up a premium pick in the draft for a guy who is openly contemplating retirement? It makes zero sense to me. Word is that he's simply tired of BB and the " patriot way" . I don't think he'd fetch such a premium pick on his own, but thrown into a deal as a sweetener, it could trump another offer. Im not saying it's likely, but the Pats have never been shy about trading guys with tread still left on the tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pre1236 said: This is increasingly my worry, too. After all this waiting, pondering and anticipation, if the Bills walk away from round 1 with, say, a LB and OL it will be awfully deflating. Trust the !@#$ing process! 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pre1236 said: This is increasingly my worry, too. After all this waiting, pondering and anticipation, if the Bills walk away from round 1 with, say, a LB and OL it will be awfully deflating. I don't see any way they come out of round one without a QB. It just may not be one of the top 4 prospects that we all are hoping for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 My buddy is a niners fan. He told me rumors going around that the pats and niners are talking trade with the pats getting #9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 What makes me laugh in this thread is the folks who come on and post a rumor that they view as new and hot.... and it was discussed 3 pages ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Trust the !@#$ing process! Who's Process? The Team's Process is - take in all of the info, play out scenarios, make the best decision. The Fan's Process is - take in the info, conjure up worst case scenarios, cry about them, preemptively threaten to quit the team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Rumor basically the same principle as has been tossed around. Buffalo gets 1. NY Giants get 4, 22, and a 5th. Cleveland gets 2, 12, 53, 65, 2019 1st, and possibly 56. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mannc Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 12:18 PM, cle23 said: ESPN Cleveland just floated a rumor of 12 and 22 to Indy for 6, then 6 and 2019 1st for Cleveland's 4th overall. Too much to pay to get to 6. Would want back one of the seconds that Indy stole from the Jests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 2:27 PM, NewEra said: My buddy is a niners fan. He told me rumors going around that the pats and niners are talking trade with the pats getting #9. Thats a lot to give up for Lamar Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 2:47 PM, cle23 said: Rumor basically the same principle as has been tossed around. Buffalo gets 1. NY Giants get 4, 22, and a 5th. Cleveland gets 2, 12, 53, 65, 2019 1st, and possibly 56. I didnt see much mention on browns boards. Is this essentially the ' Cleveland version'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Here are some rumors from the Browns board from a supposed "insider". https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/9436-draft-discussion-40/?page=7&tab=comments#comment-800486 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End The Drought Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Not sure if it was already posted but Buffalo Fanatics Instagram page posted something saying that the only quarterbacks the whole staff and ownership have met with is Darnold and Rosen. They also reported that Josh Rosen followed Brandon Beane on Instagram. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, End The Drought said: Not sure if it was already posted but Buffalo Fanatics Instagram page posted something saying that the only quarterbacks the whole staff and ownership have met with is Darnold and Rosen. They also reported that Josh Rosen followed Brandon Beane on Instagram. I'm 98% positive Brandon Beane doesn't have an instagram to follow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End The Drought Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm 98% positive Brandon Beane doesn't have an instagram to follow. Yeah I just checked and didn't see one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, End The Drought said: Yeah I just checked and didn't see one His handle is @bigballsbeane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jamie Nails said: His handle is @bigballsbeane Or @bigbeanebags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Hearing Darnold is the Browns preference at 1 (not a stretch) and Chubb at 4 if he makes it there (ditto). The 3 way trade is actually a possibility and would result in the Browns taking Mayfield at 2 (after Darnold going 1). Darnold is also the only QB the NYG would take at 2. Otherwise it’s Chubb or Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 1:47 PM, YoloinOhio said: Trust the !@#$ing process! That's when he concentrated solely on defense. He's a head coach now. Give him Rosen and watch his demeanor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I’m hearing the Browns and Jets are in talks with the Jets wanting to move up to #1. If that happens, it may be very hard for us to get into the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said: I’m hearing the Browns and Jets are in talks with the Jets wanting to move up to #1. If that happens, it may be very hard for us to get into the top 4. Where are you hearing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Hearing Darnold is the Browns preference at 1 (not a stretch) and Chubb at 4 if he makes it there (ditto). The 3 way trade is actually a possibility and would result in the Browns taking Mayfield at 2 (after Darnold going 1). Darnold is also the only QB the NYG would take at 2. Otherwise it’s Chubb or Barkley. If Darnold is #1, just take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Where are you hearing this? I’m actually not but just showing how anyone could throw a rumor out there and make it sound plausible. In other words, the Jets are worried the Bills are going to move to #2 and two QB’s go off the board before their pick. So, the Jets call the Browns, the Browns are willing to deal but want to know who the Jets want before they agree to a trade. The Jets say, “Rosen” and the Browns tell them, cool, you got a deal but not until draft night. Draft night the Jets trade 3 and 2019 1st to move to #1.They select Rosen, The Giants just don’t feel comfortable dropping back as a three way deal is very difficult to make, and select Chubb. The Browns get their guy at 3 in Darnold and then turn around and trade 4 to the Bills for 12, a 3rd and Bills 2019 1st. The Bills then select Baker Mayfield. And the Browns make out like mad hatters. Edited April 21, 2018 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Where are you hearing this? Nowhere, its more message board nonsense. These teams are so tight lipped the major media outlets cant even put a finger on it. 1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said: I’m actually not but just showing how anyone could throw a rumor out there and make it sound plausible. In other words, the Jets are worried the Bills are going to move to #2 and two QB’s go off the board before their pick. sSo, the Jets call the Browns, the Browns are willing to deal but want to know who the Jets want before they agree to a trade. The Je still say, “Rosen” and the Browns tell them, cool, you got a deal but not until draft night. Draft night the Jets trade 3 and 20191st to move to #1.They select Rosen, The Giants just don’t feel comfortable dropping back as a three way deal is very difficult to make, and select Chubb. The Browns get their guy at 3 in Darnold and then turn around and trade 4 to the Bills for 12, a 3rd and Bills 2019 1st. The Bills then select Baker Mayfield. And the Browns make out like mad hatters. See nonsense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Nowhere, its more message board nonsense. These teams are so tight lipped the major media outlets cant even put a finger on it. See nonsense It really is all nonsense. You are correct. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that any rumors out there are being tossed out by teams actually not involved in the rumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: It really is all nonsense. You are correct. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that any rumors out there are being tossed out by teams actually not involved in the rumors. Thank God, I was hyperventilating a bit there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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