D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Allen has big hands and a strong arm. He's going to Cleveland! I think you are right. He wasn't exactly glowing of Baker and Rosen. They're nice LOL. So is my puppy. Edited April 19, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I am listening to the John Dorsey press conference. He is so incredibly abrasive. Ok they are definitely taking Darnold. He just went on about the importance of hand size and specifically said that Darnold’s hands were worrisome because of the Cleveland weather. Ok Buddy Nix. Goodness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Smokescreen .. why would he be so obvious with his statement? that's what he wants you to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I think you are right. He wasn't exactly glowing of Baker and Rosen. They're nice LOL. So is my puppy. He was referring to the media narrative of Baker which Tony Grossi has led an out and out crusade against him for months already. Dorsey is said to be a Baker fan and not so much Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Smokescreen .. why would he be so obvious with his statement? they are taking Allen, they want someone to trade up for Darnold. it makes sense for them to put that out there to start accepting offers. Giants at 2 if they want Darnold is the obvious candidate. or the Bills trading to 2 and then to 1 would make sense as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Smokescreen .. why would he be so obvious with his statement? Well...They do have #1...What does it really matter to them? They get who they want if they stay there...And if anything he should be pupping up Darnold if he wants out of that pick...I think the Browns may be the only team in the NFL that would take Allen in this Draft at #1 overall...It's a little nuts considering the other options... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Why go to those lengths to lie if you have the top pick? Why trade DeShone Kizer if you value the traits of Josh Allen? Physical attributes and hand size?? he was dropping info to a team that might want to trade up to 1 for Allen 2 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: Well...They do have #1...What does it really matter to them? They get who they want if they stay there...And if anything he should be pupping up Darnold if he wants out of that pick...I think the Browns may be the only team in the NFL that would take Allen in this Draft at #1 overall...It's a little nuts considering the other options... I think the Giants could trade from 2 to 1 for Allen. The Darnold stuff from their camp is an obvious smokescreen Edited April 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdiggz said: they are taking Allen, they want someone to trade up for Darnold. it makes sense for them to put that out there to start accepting offers. Giants at 2 if they want Darnold is the obvious candidate. or the Bills trading to 2 and then to 1 would make sense as well We probably need to get to 6 in order to get to 2. If Bills are convinced Browns will take Allen, call their bluff and stay at 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Just now, Dr. Who said: We probably need to get to 6 in order to get to 2. If Bills are convinced Browns will take Allen, call their bluff and stay at 2. I think Bills could just stay at 6 if they want Rosen. Edited April 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Why trade DeShone Kizer if you value the traits of Josh Allen? Browns had an Allen (Kizer), Jets have an Allen (Hackenberg), Broncos have an Allen (Lynch). I'm not even sure why he is considered a top 5 pick at all. If the Browns are dumb enough to do it then so be it but I wouldn't expect Allen to go until the Bills somewhere between picks 6-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, horned dogs said: He is a nice player and reasonably safe. And, that is why Josh Allen is no go for me if Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold are available. You can win Super Bowls with guys who aren't necessarily the biggest, strongest- armed guys, protypical QBs. They seem somewhat similar personality wise too. Agreed. Stafford is an extremely good qb who has been cursed playing for a franchise with a terrible running game for years. He has been excellent the last 3 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Bills could just stay at 6 if they want Rosen. I agree. I hope they want Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, Dr. Who said: I agree. I hope they want Darnold. then they have to get to 2. I think Jets would take him at 3 and definitely Broncos at 5 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Bills could just stay at 6 if they want Rosen. that's what they should do. but they won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: then they have to get to 2. I think Jets would take him at 3 and definitely Broncos at 5 Yes. I agreed with Yolo that if Bills want Rosen, they can probably get him at 6. I want them to trade up to 2, because I prefer Darnold, though I would be okay with Rosen at 6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, horned dogs said: Will you be upset if the Bills draft him and still feel this way? I feel similar reading the gang green. There is a thread about is anyone worried about the Bill's jumping to #2 and giving the Jets one less option and getting a higher crack at a pick opposed to leftovers. It's full of responses like if they wanna ruin their future and overpay them they are dumb and f the Bills. If I was a jets fan - I'd say hell ya that bothers me. I want to have the pick of the litter etc unless we love a guy they wont take anyway. They kinda hedge their bets in the Jets are smart bc they wanted the 3rd best guy all along so it wont matter... Whatever ya gotta tell yourself I guess, but its natural to try and be tough guy, laugh and say it's ok but deep down you know you are just trying to rationalize it. They/we play things down we know we cant have and say we didnt want them anyway... but it's kinda obvious. ESPECIALLY when they paid what they paid. It wasn't a cheap move. To do that and then still have 1 less whack after moving 3 spots seems pretty hypocritical. I guess it's why it didnt bother me when they went to 3 bc I was worried about that move and then having someone slot in at 2. If darnold ends up being there at 3 and we couldn't trade up? Heck ya I'd be jealous!! Hopefully that isnt the case though. Point being, I wonder how many people who dont want darnold say that bc he cant be had. I guess the only way wed find out if they landed him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, kdiggz said: they are taking Allen, they want someone to trade up for Darnold. it makes sense for them to put that out there to start accepting offers. Giants at 2 if they want Darnold is the obvious candidate. or the Bills trading to 2 and then to 1 would make sense as well That's how I see it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: I feel similar reading the gang green. There is a thread about is anyone worried about the Bill's jumping to #2 and giving the Jets one less option and getting a higher crack at a pick opposed to leftovers. It's full of responses like if they wanna ruin their future and overpay them they are dumb and f the Bills. If I was a jets fan - I'd say hell ya that bothers me. I want to have the pick of the litter etc unless we love a guy they wont take anyway. They kinda hedge their bets in the Jets are smart bc they wanted the 3rd best guy all along so it wont matter... Whatever ya gotta tell yourself I guess, but its natural to try and be tough guy, laugh and say it's ok but deep down you know you are just trying to rationalize it. They/we play things down we know we cant have and say we didnt want them anyway... but it's kinda obvious. ESPECIALLY when they paid what they paid. It wasn't a cheap move. To do that and then still have 1 less whack after moving 3 spots seems pretty hypocritical. I guess it's why it didnt bother me when they went to 3 bc I was worried about that move and then having someone slot in at 2. If darnold ends up being there at 3 and we couldn't trade up? Heck ya I'd be jealous!! Hopefully that isnt the case though. Point being, I wonder how many people who dont want darnold say that bc he cant be had. I guess the only way wed find out if they landed him! I also wonder if the trip to LA, with the whole gang, wasn't related to the belief they have an actual chance to get the guy they LOVE(Darnold). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, What a Tuel said: You guys gotta stop talking about QBs. I am consistently clicking on this damn thread thinking there's a new rumor. Lol, what a tool! I kid, I kid... me too;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Dorsey doesn’t even believe his own words. The only QB he’s acquired in KC or Cleveland with 10 inch hands is Tyrod. Mahomes, Alex Smith, Aaron Murray ... Edited April 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Bills could just stay at 6 if they want Rosen. 12 minutes ago, kdiggz said: then they have to get to 2. I think Jets would take him at 3 and definitely Broncos at 5 that's what they should do. but they won't 10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Yes. I agreed with Yolo that if Bills want Rosen, they can probably get him at 6. I want them to trade up to 2, because I prefer Darnold, though I would be okay with Rosen at 6. Is anyone else concerned that an assumed move to 6, is just that, Assumed. I'm concerned the Dolphins or Cards jumping ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: Is anyone else concerned that an assumed move to 6, is just that, Assumed. I'm concerned the Dolphins or Cards jumping ahead of us. I’m not assuming they move to 6, but they can outbid those two teams to do so. Nothing is happening until draft day unless they move to 1 or 2 imo. They are really the only team that can get that high up, realistically. Edited April 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Isn't it about time some of the Bills "insiders" show up and give us a tidbit or two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Is anyone else concerned that an assumed move to 6, is just that, Assumed. I'm concerned the Dolphins or Cards jumping ahead of us. other teams know we want to move up and they know we can beat anyone elses offer. if Miami says we want to trade up I would call Buffalo and say can you beat it? knowing that they will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Is anyone else concerned that an assumed move to 6, is just that, Assumed. I'm concerned the Dolphins or Cards jumping ahead of us. I’m not that concerned because I think that a move ahead of us is too costly for either. If the Bills give 12, 53 and 96 (or 121 or a 2019 4th) to the Colts, Miami or Arizona will have to empty their assets. Miami will likely have to go 11, 42, 73 (and maybe more) to get in front of us. They wouldnt have a 2nd pick until 123. Arizona is probably 15, 47, 79 and 97. They wouldnt pick again until 134. The Bills can make it too expensive for those teams to get in front of them without gutting their own assets. Edited April 19, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m not assuming they move to 6, but they can outbid those two teams to do so. Usually agree with you. Your contradictory approach may indeed be correct that Darnold is their guy. Lots and lots of media types coming out today saying Allen going #1. Maybe they've been fed BS. I'm struggling with the lack of motivation to smokescreening. He could stay at 1 and have either Allen or Darnold. Why make the hand issue an issue if you're going to draft Darnold at 1? The media will never let it drop once you draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: Usually agree with you. Your contradictory approach may indeed be correct that Darnold is their guy. Lots and lots of media types coming out today saying Allen going #1. Maybe they've been fed BS. I'm struggling with the lack of motivation to smokescreening. He could stay at 1 and have either Allen or Darnold. Why make the hand issue an issue if you're going to draft Darnold at 1? The media will never let it drop once you draft him. I don’t know but hand size has never been an issue for him before... KC has brutal weather at times too. Just seemed like way too calculated of a comment. Edited April 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not that concerned because I think that a move ahead of us is too costly for either. If the Bills give 12, 53 and 96 (or 121 or a 2019 4th) to the Colts, Miami or Arizona will have to empty their assets. Miami will likely have to go 11, 42, 73 (and maybe more) to get in front of us. They wouldnt have a 2nd pick until 123. Arizona is probably 15, 47, 79 and 97. They wouldnt pick again until 134. The Bills can make it too expensive for those teams to get in front of them without gutting their own assets. I get that, but do you not worry about them moving up, ahead of the draft, and doing what the Jets did? It starts to really limit the options and drives the price up for 4 or 5. Or God forbid someone finds a way to 4 or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know but hand size has never been an issue for him before... KC has brutal weather at times too. Just seemed like way too calculated of a comment. What about the QBs drafted in GB while he was there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I get that, but do you not worry about them moving up, ahead of the draft, and doing what the Jets did? It starts to really limit the options and drives the price up for 4 or 5. Or God forbid someone finds a way to 4 or 5. Why would anyone take a deal from either of those teams before the draft though ? Miami is one pick ahead of the Bills and Arizona picks after them. They would want to wait to see if they get more from the Bills who clearly have more assets 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: What about the QBs drafted in GB while he was there? I’m only looking at who he made the the call on. I know he comes from GB school but he wasn’t in charge. Edited April 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: I get that, but do you not worry about them moving up, ahead of the draft, and doing what the Jets did? It starts to really limit the options and drives the price up for 4 or 5. Or God forbid someone finds a way to 4 or 5. No, because no team is going to make a move without calling the Bills first like @kdiggz said. The Bills are the rich guy at the auction. You want to keep him in the bidding. You aren’t accepting some lowball offer without checking his interest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Is anyone else concerned that an assumed move to 6, is just that, Assumed. I'm concerned the Dolphins or Cards jumping ahead of us. Let's presuppose Beane was surprised at the early trade by the Jets to move to 3. He's definitely not going to get sucker-punched again. I'm sure the Colts know it is in their best interest to bring any alternative trade to the Bills before pulling the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Why would anyone take a deal from either of those teams before the draft though ? Miami is one pick ahead of the Bills and Arizona picks after them. They would want to wait to see if they get more from the Bills who clearly have more assets I’m only looking at who he made the the call on. I know he comes from GB school but he wasn’t in charge. 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: No, because no team is going to make a move without calling the Bills first like @kdiggz said. The Bills are the rich guy at the auction. You want to keep him in the bidding. You aren’t accepting some lowball offer without checking his interest. I just feel with all the talk about moving to 2 that we could get blindsided. Say for example, that the tradeup falls apart on draft day. Meanwhile someone else who assumes we have a deal to move, trades with say Denver or Indy to get into the Rosen sweepstakes. It could happen. Edited April 19, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I also hate Dorsey’s approach if he’s being honest about it. It’s the opposite of Beane. He said he is drafting a Qb for the offensive packages they want to run. Beane says he’s drafting the best Qb regardless of “system” because you don’t know how long that system will be in place and you should run the offense toward the strengths of the QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know but hand size has never been an issue for him before... KC has brutal weather at times too. Just seemed like way too calculated of a comment. It is weird... I'll give you that for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Let's presuppose Beane was surprised at the early trade by the Jets to move to 3. He's definitely not going to get sucker-punched again. I'm sure the Colts know it is in their best interest to bring any alternative trade to the Bills before pulling the trigger. Not if they've assumed we are moving to 2 and it falls apart draft day. And, they've already moved out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m only looking at who he made the the call on. I know he comes from GB school but he wasn’t in charge. I know, I was comparing weather more than position at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: I just feel with all the talk about moving to 2 that we could get blindsided. Say for example, that the tradeup falls apart on draft day. Meanwhile someone else who assumes we have a deal to move, trades with say Denver or Indy to get into the Rosen sweepstakes. It could happen. I do think the focus at this point should be securing 6. I presume we have some kind of provisional understanding with the Giants regarding 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: I know, I was comparing weather more than position at that point. They drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd rd too, small hands. I just don’t think he really believes in what he’s putting out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: I do think the focus at this point should be securing 6. I presume we have some kind of provisional understanding with the Giants regarding 2. That's kinda my point, I wish we'd move sooner, even to 5. At least guarantee ourselves one of the top 4 QBs. Just now, YoloinOhio said: They drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd rd too, small hands. I just don’t think he really believes in what he’s putting out there. So your belief about the hand size comment is that they really want Darnold, and that someone else wants Allen (us?) and Dorsey wants to trade down, take his guy at 2, and get a boatload of picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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