Trade Rumors? (only Rumors)

[Mark92]

16 minutes ago, zevo said:

Gosh damn we gotta get ahead of the jests

The worst part about all of this is that no matter what we do the Jets will end up with a good QB.  

[thenorthremembers]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Can we talk about Charlie Casserly’s hair?

Was watching him earlier and my three year old daughter asked me to "turn off the creepy guy"

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, cle23 said:

Right, one was for a quarterback and one wasn't. There are premiums paid when trading up for a QB.

Not when the next 2 picks may be QBs. The premium is paid when a drop off is about to occur. As an example Chubb is ranked WAY higher than anyone else. Davenport will be the only other edge guy in the top 20 potentially. You pay a premium to be up a tier. No one is going to pay a ridiculous price for guy number 1 when guy number 4 grades out very closely. I know that you want some massive overpay and, maybe in Cleveland they think it will happen, but it won’t. Scarcity drives the price. 

[BillsFan17]

As long as Buffalo can get Rosen, doesnt matter to me how they execute it. Get to two, get to four, get to five, hell stay at 12... I really dont care, just dont leave this draft without Rosen.

 

Oh and I really hope the Browns take Allen. Absolutely eliminate the possibility.

[KDIGGZ]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

As long as Buffalo can get Rosen, doesnt matter to me how they execute it. Get to two, get to four, get to five, hell stay at 12... I really dont care, just dont leave this draft without Rosen.

 

Oh and I really hope the Browns take Allen. Absolutely eliminate the possibility.

My dream draft would be just that. Allen goes 1, Giants won't trade and take a RB, Jets take Darnold, now we can go to 4-7 and get Rosen. Worst case we get Mayfield. Best part is maybe we only give up 12, 53, 65 to do it but we would most likely have to add pick 22 but you never know. If we could get our franchise QB plus keep pick 22 I would go bananas

[Epstein's Mother]

34 minutes ago, cle23 said:

Right, one was for a quarterback and one wasn't. There are premiums paid when trading up for a QB.

 

Whaaa?

Edited April 19, 2018 by Epstein's Mother

[KOKBILLS]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Well...If Allen goes #1, and of course if the NYG go Barkley,  personally I feel great... Because Mayfield is my QB1, Darnold is my QB2, and the Jets can only have one of the two...If the Bills work their way into being the next team to Draft a QB they Get Mayfield or Darnold guaranteed...And even if something goes haywire and teams jump them,  they still likely get Rosen bare minimum... 

 

To me it's all good if Allen goes #1 and the Giants go Barkley...That's taking my QB5 off the board at #1 overall and leaving QB1-QB4 available from 3 -11...And of those 9 spot ahead of me 6 of them will not take a QB, and Denver is the 7th slot... The math is REALLY working for the Bills in that situation...Get ahead of Miami and you're going to get one of Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, or Jackson...And depending on how the Bills board looks, it's conceivable they get their QB1 (I'm assuming that is Mayfield, Darnold, or Rosen) without moving up too much...That would be incredible!!!

 

Anyway...For me I'm REAL happy if the Bills come home with Mayfield or Darnold...And I'm OK with Rosen or Jackson...So this is all looking good...

[PIZ]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

 

No we don't. I want Rosen. 

 

 

[BillsFan17]

41 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

My dream draft would be just that. Allen goes 1, Giants won't trade and take a RB, Jets take Darnold, now we can go to 4-7 and get Rosen. Worst case we get Mayfield. Best part is maybe we only give up 12, 53, 65 to do it but we would most likely have to add pick 22 but you never know. If we could get our franchise QB plus keep pick 22 I would go bananas

My dream would be the Jets absolutely passing on a QB and taking like Nelson lol.

[Deranged Rhino]

[BillsGuru4]

I keep hearing rosen is going to fall, hes a dbag with concussions in his past. Please browns, go allen at 1 and bills find a way to get to 2. If darnold ends up a jet, we have some serious problems for the next 12+ years

[KDIGGZ]

2 minutes ago, BillsGuru4 said:

I keep hearing rosen is going to fall, hes a dbag with concussions in his past. Please browns, go allen at 1 and bills find a way to get to 2. If darnold ends up a jet, we have some serious problems for the next 12+ years

Darnold isn't a franchise type QB.  he's a game manager like Alex Smith or Sam Bradford.  I wouldn't be worried about him at all

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

16 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Darnold isn't a franchise type QB.  he's a game manager like Alex Smith or Sam Bradford.  I wouldn't be worried about him at all

Will you be upset if the Bills draft him and still feel this way?

[KDIGGZ]

Just now, horned dogs said:

Will you be upset if the Bills draft him and still feel this way?

I have mixed emotions.  I want them to get a top guy.  But I also feel like Rosen and Mayfield are better players and a better value since you won't have to give up as many picks.  I will be initially disappointed but then I will be glad they at least got a top guy.

[BillsGuru4]

I just want 1 of the 4, and 2 lb’s. I will be over the moon if we can accomplish that. Bolster ol with any other picks

[BuffaloHokie13]

22 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Darnold isn't a franchise type QB.  he's a game manager like Alex Smith or Sam Bradford.  I wouldn't be worried about him at all

Disagree. I see a lot of Matt Stafford in Darnold's game.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, kdiggz said:

I have mixed emotions.  I want them to get a top guy.  But I also feel like Rosen and Mayfield are better players and a better value since you won't have to give up as many picks.  I will be initially disappointed but then I will be glad they at least got a top guy.

17/24 GMs had Darnold as their number 1 choice, as well as numerous other top end talent judges. I'm willing to give these guys credit that he has "franchise" potential. I prefer Rosen because to me he's the best passer and most ready to play (less projection). On a lesser level, Darnold just seems kinda boring to me. Go Bills!

[KDIGGZ]

2 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

17/24 GMs had Darnold as their number 1 choice, as well as numerous other top end talent judges. I'm willing to give these guys credit that he has "franchise" potential. I prefer Rosen because to me he's the best passer and most ready to play (less projection). On a lesser level, Darnold just seems kinda boring to me. Go Bills!

I think because of 1) durable 2) makes plays outside of structure 3) youngest (untapped potential) 4) high floor, won't be a bust so it's a safe pick

 

I think if you got into the nuts and bolts with these guys they would admit he is not the best QB in the draft.  he is just a very nice player and a safe pick

 

Edited April 19, 2018 by kdiggz

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Disagree. I see a lot of Matt Stafford in Darnold's game.

 

Really?  To me they couldn't be more different.  Stafford is all arm - he seems to lack a feel for the game and game situations.  Rarely comes up big with the game on the line.

 

Darnold has bad mechanics but, despite that, his ball placement is the best in this class.  And he's a natural leader, which Stafford really isn't.

[TheFunPolice]

The Darnold/Stafford comparisons make some sense to me...

 

Stafford throws for a billion yards but also turns it over a lot. I think coaching can correct that a bit, though.

[HappyDays]

I see Darnold as Philip Rivers with more mobility. His downside is Mark Sanchez and his upside is Aaron Rodgers.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

5 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

I think because of 1) durable 2) makes plays outside of structure 3) youngest (untapped potential) 4) high floor, won't be a bust so it's a safe pick

 

I think if you got into the nuts and bolts with these guys they would admit he is not the best QB in the draft.  he is just a very nice player and a safe pick

 

He is a nice player and reasonably safe. And, that is why Josh Allen is no go for me if Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold are available. You can win Super Bowls with guys who aren't necessarily the biggest, strongest- armed guys, protypical QBs.

5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

The Darnold/Stafford comparisons make some sense to me...

 

Stafford throws for a billion yards but also turns it over a lot. I think coaching can correct that a bit, though.

They seem somewhat similar personality wise too.

Edited April 19, 2018 by horned dogs

[KDIGGZ]

5 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

He is a nice player and reasonably safe. And, that is why Josh Allen is no go for me if Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold are available. You can win Super Bowls with guys who aren't necessarily the biggest, strongest- armed guys, protypical QBs.

with some of the other guys you are definitely trying to manage risk.  any of those other guys can be great but there's also a higher chance they will be busts.  the reasons given for Rosen don't bother me.  Mayfield, it's his size.  with Allen it's about 10 different things.  i think it's really hard to try and predict what they will be.  that's why i lean a little more towards what they are now.  Rosen is the best now imo

Edited April 19, 2018 by kdiggz

[Zac]

I like Tony Romo as a Darnold comparison

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

with some of the other guys you are definitely trying to manage risk.  any of those other guys can be great but there's also a higher chance they will be busts.  the reasons given for Rosen don't bother me.  Mayfield, it's his size.  with Allen it's about 10 different things.  i think it's really hard to try and predict what they will be.  that's why i lean a little more towards what they are now.  Rosen is the best now imo

 

Rosen (seems to me) is one big hit away from broken. When I look at him, he just looks tiny. 

 

Are there any small (210 at 6'3) drop back QB's who have survived? Especially Since I've read that he struggles with getting rid of the ball when need be. 

 

I think that his character concerns aren't a huge deal, but the question of "does he need football" is a valid one when you consider his injury history. 

[KDIGGZ]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Rosen (seems to me) is one big hit away from broken. When I look at him, he just looks tiny. 

 

Are there any small (210 at 6'3) drop back QB's who have survived? Especially Since I've read that he struggles with getting rid of the ball when need be. 

 

I think that his character concerns aren't a huge deal, but the question of "does he need football" is a valid one when you consider his injury history. 

he's 226, he's bigger than Darnold and much bigger than Mayfield

 

from the combine:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-rosen?id=32462018-0002-5600-59bd-f150d938ca3e

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/sam-darnold?id=32462018-0002-5600-578a-86541c8f8891

almost an inch taller than Darnold, a few pounds heavier, longer arms, bigger hands

Edited April 19, 2018 by kdiggz

[What a Tuel]

You guys gotta stop talking about QBs. I am consistently clicking on this damn thread thinking there's a new rumor. 

[BillsGuru4]

4 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

You guys gotta stop talking about QBs. I am consistently clicking on this damn thread thinking there's a new rumor. 

Haha!

[whatdrought]

7 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

he's 226, he's bigger than Darnold and much bigger than Mayfield

 

I stand corrected. I was quoting a bad source. 

 

Here are their combine measurements: 

 

Rosen: 6'4, 226lbs

 

Darnold: 6'3, 220lbs 

 

Mayfield: 6'1, 215lbs

 

That being said, I still would say that Rosen is smaller than those two given the height to weight ration and the fact alone that his build is much more "frail" or "slight"  (which is pretty evident in pictures/exactly what Daniel Jeremiah said on RE show yesterday.) 

Rosen also has (unless I am mistaken) missed significant time with concussions, which is worrisome.  

 

I did look up stats about sacks and it looks as if Rosen and Mayfield were both sacked 26 times last year, and Darnold was sacked 29 times. So I could be wrong in my idea that Rosen gets hit more. 

Edited April 19, 2018 by whatdrought

[BuffaloHokie13]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Really?  To me they couldn't be more different.  Stafford is all arm - he seems to lack a feel for the game and game situations.  Rarely comes up big with the game on the line.

 

Darnold has bad mechanics but, despite that, his ball placement is the best in this class.  And he's a natural leader, which Stafford really isn't.

Really?? Stafford has 32 career game winning drives (7th among active QBs, and nobody else in the top 10 is from 2009 or later) and he has 26 4th Quarter comebacks (T-4th among active QBs, and nobody else in the top 10 is from 2009 or later).

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Really?? Stafford has 32 career game winning drives (7th among active QBs, and nobody else in the top 10 is from 2009 or later) and he has 26 4th Quarter comebacks (T-4th among active QBs, and nobody else in the top 10 is from 2009 or later).

 

Yeah... Stafford is a stud with the game on his shoulders. Detroit should be in the running for the big dance every year, except that they seem incapable of providing a defense and a run game for Stafford to work with... 

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

That being said, I still would say that Rosen is much smaller than those two given the height to weight ration and the fact alone that his build is much more "frail" or "slight"  (which is pretty evident in pictures/exactly what Daniel Jeremiah said on RE show yesterday.) 

Rosen also has (unless I am mistaken) missed significant time with concussions, which is worrisome.  

he's 21, he can gain some size.  when i was 21 i could eat whatever i wanted and i stayed skinny.  now it's VERY easy to gain weight lol.  the concussions are an issue but i also think in the NFL they protect the QB's a lot better and he will learn to throw the ball away to stay safe like what Tom Brady is able to do

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

he's 21, he can gain some size.  when i was 21 i could eat whatever i wanted and i stayed skinny.  now it's VERY easy to gain weight lol.  the concussions are an issue but i also think in the NFL they protect the QB's a lot better and he will learn to throw the ball away to stay safe like what Tom Brady is able to do

 

You could definitely be right. (though I have yet to see them protect a Bills QB) 

 

I really don't know about Rosen. 

 

My ranking is: 

 

Mayfield*

Rosen & Darnold 

Allen (though I have a sneaky feeling he could be great)

Rudolph 

Jackson 

 

* I even go back and forth on Mayfield because I, as a rule, prefer guys who use their play to talk for them, so his attitude concerns me a bit (just personally), but I think he has a passion that will serve him well.

 

If the bills take Rosen, he will be our guy and I will love it. Also, I was thinking the other day that Rosen might be nice because his political leanings and attitude is bound to get us some attention, which can be nice. 

Edited April 19, 2018 by whatdrought

[YoloinOhio]

I am listening to the John Dorsey press conference. He is so incredibly abrasive.

 

Ok they are definitely taking Darnold. He just went on about the importance of hand size and specifically said that Darnold’s hands were worrisome because of the Cleveland weather. Ok Buddy Nix. 

[Roundybout]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I am listening to the John Dorsey press conference. He is so incredibly abrasive.

 

Ok they are definitely taking Darnold. He just went on about the importance of hand size and specifically said that Darnold’s hands were worrisome because of the Cleveland weather. Ok Buddy Nix. 

 

Is this good or bad? I don't even remember now.

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Is this good or bad? I don't even remember now.

 

Good if you think that means the Giants would be willing to trade.

 

Bad if you think that means the Giants are stuck on Barkley.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Is this good or bad? I don't even remember now.

No idea anymore 

 

he also said  he is very open to trading. Said his phone is charged up and he expects talks to heat up on draft day 

[KDIGGZ]

Allen has big hands and a strong arm.  He's going to Cleveland!

[Coach Tuesday]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I am listening to the John Dorsey press conference. He is so incredibly abrasive.

 

Ok they are definitely taking Darnold. He just went on about the importance of hand size and specifically said that Darnold’s hands were worrisome because of the Cleveland weather. Ok Buddy Nix. 

 

Why go to those lengths to lie if you have the top pick?

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, kdiggz said:

Allen has big hands and a strong arm.  He's going to Cleveland!

Smokescreen .. why would he be so obvious with his statement?