Bucs GM on GMFB: Contacted about Trade-Back UPDATE: Bills were the team

[KDIGGZ]

The GM for the Tampa Bay Bucs Jason Licht was being interviewed on Good Morning Football on NFL Network and he said something very interesting:

"There are more than 7 players we would love to have so we like our spot, we will get a good player. But right now we are looking at trade back scenarios, who would be there at different spots in the draft. I've gotten some calls already on our pick. It will be interesting to see where some of those QB's go whether it's at 5 or my spot at 7, what's that sweet spot."

 

Sounds like QB needy teams have contacted them about pick 7 and they seem interested if they are analyzing what that might mean and who would be available if they do trade back. Very interesting indeed!

 

Watch starting at 4:50 mark...

 

 

Edited April 8, 2018 by kdiggz

[MrEpsYtown]

One of these guys will be there, it's just a question of which one. I'm guessing Rosen or Mayfield at this point, and I am okay either way. 

 

And I think this is what Beane meant when he said "striking distance."

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

One of these guys will be there, it's just a question of which one. I'm guessing Rosen or Mayfield at this point, and I am okay either way. 

If the Broncos are in on QB we could still be screwed outta the big 4. That's the only way tho

[Chuck Wagon]

I think #6 is the most interesting spot in the draft, you are looking at Chubb  / Barkley or auctioning off the 4th QB.  That becomes pick #7 if someone like Nelson or Fitzpatrick slides into the top 6.

 

If the Giants decide to trade the pick I think that happens before the draft.  Otherwise I think the Browns / Colts / Bucs (maybe even the Broncos) are going to wait till the draft and potentially hold the last QB hostage.

[BrotherChazz]

The Giants and the Broncos hold the keys. If we can't get up that high and one of them passes, we're in business. 

[TheFunPolice]

Giants and Broncos could both pass...

 

There are some amazing top 1-3 type prospects that could drop into the later parts of the top 10 just because 4 QBs go in the top handful of picks. That is going to be compelling for some of these teams.

 

 

[Bills Pimpin']

No one can touch the Bills with draft capital if the QB they want is available at 7 (Tampa) or 9 (SF). They can slightly overpay for the player they want and keep a ton of picks. If QB's go 1, 2, 3, 5, then I hope AJ is up for the challenge and Beane has some thick skin.

[thurst44]

24 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said:

If the Broncos are in on QB we could still be screwed outta the big 4. That's the only way tho

FWIW, someone (not sure if it was WGR or WFAN in New York, feel like it may have been Sal C. on the former) yesterday was hearing rumors that the Broncos, particularly Elway, like Rudolph better than most teams.

[KRT88]

I'm surprised Chicago hasn't been mentioned.  You'd think they like to use #8 to get some of those picks back from their move last year.  

 

I'd love to move from #12 to #8.  we could keep most of our picks and maybe get our guy.  (maybe)

[JXCOL3]

I don't think the giants will take a QB with #2. The amount of blow back they received when they benched Eli was big for the owners, which makes me think they wont draft his replacement yet

[TOboy]

1 minute ago, KRT88 said:

I'm surprised Chicago hasn't been mentioned.  You'd think they like to use #8 to get some of those picks back from their move last year.  

 

I'd love to move from #12 to #8.  we could keep most of our picks and maybe get our guy.  (maybe)

 

I'd be all for this...on draft day. You only move to 8, or 7, if you know your guy is there. 

[PIZ]

[4merper4mer]

4 minutes ago, JXCOL3 said:

I don't think the giants will take a QB with #2. The amount of blow back they received when they benched Eli was big for the owners, which makes me think they wont draft his replacement yet

Lol.  Imagine the blowback if they pass on a QB and the Jets take one that succeeds.  A whole new level.  They are taking a QB and they aren't trading out.

[KDIGGZ]

8 minutes ago, TOboy said:

 

I'd be all for this...on draft day. You only move to 8, or 7, if you know your guy is there. 

What if you can move from 12 to 7 now and it only costs a 2nd round pick? Then you have more options to possibly trade into the top 5 from there if the other team only has to drop to 7. If you wait until the draft and there's a really good player available maybe you have more competition and the price goes up

 

 

Edited March 28, 2018 by kdiggz

[Bill from NYC]

Just now, kdiggz said:

What if you can move from 12 to 7 now and it only costs a 2nd round pick? Then you have more options to possibly trade into the top 5 from there if the other team only have to drop to 7

Brady Quinn said today on Sirius that the Bills will trade down to #9 with the 49ers and it will cost perhaps a 3rd, at most a 2nd. He says we will draft Josh Allen at 9.

 

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

Brady Quinn said today on Sirius that the Bills will trade down to #9 with the 49ers and it will cost perhaps a 3rd, at most a 2nd. He says we will draft Josh Allen at 9.

 

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

Well if Brady Quinn says so 

[Seanbillsfan2206]

2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Brady Quinn said today on Sirius that the Bills will trade down to #9 with the 49ers and it will cost perhaps a 3rd, at most a 2nd. He says we will draft Josh Allen at 9.

 

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

Brady Quinn knows about as much as the fry cook at Applebee’s 

[KDIGGZ]

http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/27/play-nfl-draft-pick-trade-simulator-calculator-darnold-rosen-allen-value-jimmy-johnson-chart/

 

Using the above simulator, the Bills could give the Bucs the 12 and 56 pick for the 7th.  I would do that deal now knowing that it opens up a ton of options whether it's moving up into the top 5 from there or sitting back and seeing who falls

[NewEraBills]

Part of the draft is about talent and value and I just don't see how Chubb, Barkley, and Nelson make it past 6.  All three should be gone no later than 6.  That leaves three QBs possibly going in the first 6 picks.  I certainly think a good one will be available at 7.  One of Mayfield,  Allen, Rosen, will be available at 6 or 7.  I'd be happy with either there.  I have preferences but it's getting to 7 and not paying crazy assets to do so.

12 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/27/play-nfl-draft-pick-trade-simulator-calculator-darnold-rosen-allen-value-jimmy-johnson-chart/

 

Using the above simulator, the Bills could give the Bucs the 12 and 56 pick for the 7th.  I would do that deal now knowing that it opens up a ton of options whether it's moving up into the top 5 from there or sitting back and seeing who falls

 

I wouldn't do it now though.  The Colts still could trade back then we'd be screwed by a team with better seeding.  I'd be on the phone with the Colts on draft night seeing what's going on.  IF they make their pick then I'd already have someone on the Bucs line.  And once that pick goes through then make the trade with the Bucs.  But I would have to be prepared that if someone is offering the Colts a deal, I'd have to be prepared to top that offer and perhaps move into the 6 spot instead.

 

I get what you are saying though.  Move into that spot now and then if need be move again.  

Edited March 28, 2018 by NewEraBills

[KDIGGZ]

3 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

I wouldn't do it now though.  The Colts still could trade back then we'd be screwed.  I'd be on the phone with the Colts on draft night seeing what's going on.  IF they make their pick then I'd already have someone on the Bucs line.  And once that pick goes through then make the trade with the Bucs.  But I would have to be prepared that if someone is offering the Colts a deal, I'd have to be prepared to top that offer and perhaps move into the 6 spot instead.

they can trade with us knowing we are taking a QB and the player they were going to take anyways will still be there

 

but my reasoning for trading to 7 now is to get have the time to work out a deal for 2.  worst case, you get stuck at 7 but most likely you can trade up again from there

[Chuck Wagon]

14 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

they can trade with us knowing we are taking a QB and the player they were going to take anyways will still be there

 

but my reasoning for trading to 7 now is to get have the time to work out a deal for 2.  worst case, you get stuck at 7 but most likely you can trade up again from there

 

Yep.

 

Worst case you move up to 7, you still see the 4 QBs go before you, but you just gave up a 2nd and you get one of Chubb, Barkley, Nelson or Fitzpatrick, guys who would never make it to 12 anyway.

[NewEraBills]

6 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

they can trade with us knowing we are taking a QB and the player they were going to take anyways will still be there

 

True, but I still think you have to see how at least the top 4 picks play out.  If Chubb and Barkley go in the first 4 picks then I think you can relax a little.  Not much, but a little.  But if three QB's go in the first 4 picks then you have to hope Denver will accept 7 and let us move into 5 or Cleveland will accept what we have and be willing to give up 4.  But if we move into 7 now, it gives GM's of Zona and Miami time to make a stupid deal to cripple their franchise and jump in front of us IF Denver or Cleveland are willing to sell those picks.  And if that happens we are stuck at 7 and better not take Jackson or Rudolph there just because we need a QB.

Edited March 28, 2018 by NewEraBills

[BillsFan2313]

5 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

they can trade with us knowing we are taking a QB and the player they were going to take anyways will still be there

 

but my reasoning for trading to 7 now is to get have the time to work out a deal for 2.  worst case, you get stuck at 7 but most likely you can trade up again from there

 

Agreed. Making a move to 7 doesn't mean you are done. It just helps trading up even more.

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 

True, but I still think you have to see how at least the top 4 picks play out.  If Chubb and Barkley go in the first 4 picks then I think you can relax a little.  Not much, but a little.  But if three QB's go in the first 4 picks then you have to hope Denver will accept 7 and let us move into 5 or Cleveland will accept what we have and be willing to give up 4.  But if we move into 7 now, it gives GM's of Zona and Miamia time to make a stupid deal to cripple their franchise and jump in front of us IF Denver or Cleveland are willing to sell those picks.

 

 

Zona and Miami already have that time, even to move to 7.  You just don't know how the price could change, you get into draft night and Mayfield or Rosen is the only guy left at pick 7 and suddenly you've got Buffalo, Miami, Arizona, etc all really throwing offers at you.  If Tampa is open to moving back now for any sort of reasonable price, do it.  They are down a 3rd already from the JPP trade, they may be happy with any one of Ward / James / Edmonds / Roquan, feel comfortable of getting one at 12 and be open to moving down for one of 53 / 56 / 65 right now.

[John from Riverside]

You move to 7 you might as well relax and just pick at 12 and not give up draft picks

 

Lots of good players in this draft and we are still in a position to get a qb

[KDIGGZ]

4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Zona and Miami already have that time, even to move to 7.  You just don't know how the price could change, you get into draft night and Mayfield or Rosen is the only guy left at pick 7 and suddenly you've got Buffalo, Miami, Arizona, etc all really throwing offers at you.  If Tampa is open to moving back now for any sort of reasonable price, do it.  They are down a 3rd already from the JPP trade, they may be happy with any one of Ward / James / Edmonds / Roquan, feel comfortable of getting one at 12 and be open to moving down for one of 53 / 56 / 65 right now.

Bingo!  Price could go waaaay up on draft night once certain players start falling and time is of the essence

[1st&ten]

1 hour ago, kdiggz said:

What if you can move from 12 to 7 now and it only costs a 2nd round pick? Then you have more options to possibly trade into the top 5 from there if the other team only has to drop to 7. If you wait until the draft and there's a really good player available maybe you have more competition and the price goes up

 

 

 

I agree Kdiggz but Tampa knows this also, so it's in their best interest to wait until the draft.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Brady Quinn knows about as much as the fry cook at Applebee’s 

 

I don’t know...I bet Brady Quinn would give you flabby wings! 

[HappyDays]

I could see us trading Hughes to move up to 7, and picking Mayfield. A new era of Bills football would begin. This is my dream scenario.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I could see us trading Hughes to move up to 7, and picking Mayfield. A new era of Bills football would begin. This is my dream scenario.

 

Is that a reasonable possibility? Because I’d be all over it! Kind of Cordy Part Deux. Wouldn’t waste a lot of picks going WAY up. Have to keep the poker face on and hold your water....

[DJB]

Only way you move to 7 is to move up again for that QB. Otherwise you could sit tight and probably get the 4th one at 12

[kota]

Why is this suprising?  Any GM should and would understand every scenario trading up or down based upon teams needs, their roster, etc...  This is what front offices would do.  If a player drops to 7 you better have a good idea as to what the cost would be in case you want a move.

 

[HappyDays]

20 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Is that a reasonable possibility? Because I’d be all over it! Kind of Cordy Part Deux. Wouldn’t waste a lot of picks going WAY up. Have to keep the poker face on and hold your water....

 

There was some rumor a few weeks ago that we were trying to trade Hughes as part of a trade up. Or maybe the rumor was just about Hughes and the trade up was speculation. Not much difference this time of year I suppose. I would love it if it was true. Whatever we're planning I don't think we'll know anything until draft night.

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, kota said:

Why is this suprising?  Any GM should and would understand every scenario trading up or down based upon teams needs, their roster, etc...  This is what front offices would do.  If a player drops to 7 you better have a good idea as to what the cost would be in case you want a move.

 

Because he came out and said it on national TV. You aren't putting it out there unless you are very interested in doing it. Could you imagine if they interviewed Beane and he said he was taking calls about moving back and figuring out trade values? Everyone would be freaking out

[dlonce]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

You move to 7 you might as well relax and just pick at 12 and not give up draft picks

 

Lots of good players in this draft and we are still in a position to get a qb

 

Thats assuming no other teams jump in front of you to get their QB

[Beast]

2 hours ago, TOboy said:

 

I'd be all for this...on draft day. You only move to 8, or 7, if you know your guy is there. 

 

I think I move there now and then strike and attempt to move up higher, on draft night, if need be.

[TOboy]

2 hours ago, kdiggz said:

What if you can move from 12 to 7 now and it only costs a 2nd round pick? Then you have more options to possibly trade into the top 5 from there if the other team only has to drop to 7. If you wait until the draft and there's a really good player available maybe you have more competition and the price goes up

 

 

 

I think Beane and company have a pretty good sense of what it's going to take to get to the spot they need to be. If that's the case, then absolutely, move up to 7 now. But just moving to 7 now in hopes you get the guy you want is risky on a number of levels (all your guys go early, other teams can jump ahead of you, etc.). 

 

I guess in short, I trust the process and won't be freaking out either way. But I get it if they wait until draft day. 

[Roundybout]

If there is going to be a trade, it will be within a week, IMO. Jackson's pro day tomorrow will help OBD determine if they should trade up or stay put for Jackson. 

[BillsFan17]

There is this growing calm that some how, some way, one if not two of these QBs will start to slip a little. Buffalo will only have to give up a couple of assets to move up and land them oppose to having to sell the farm to get up to one or two.

 

Yes, it would ease my nerves having secured a top pick, but I have a sense that maybe Beane isn't sold that guys like Rosen and Mayfield are locks to be gone before everyone anticipates.

 

I could be dead wrong, but I firmly believe only the Browns and Jets are dead set on a QB with their picks. Browns fourth could be open for business, but I think the Mayfield love out of Denver is hoping someone jumps up and pushes down a player like Barkley or Chubb (who ever they covet most).

Edited March 28, 2018 by BillsFan17

[Reed83HOF]

It's obvious that a lot of topics regarding player trades and pick trades were more fully discussed; it will be interesting to see how quickly moves are made and see if/how much the Jets premium affects these other trades...