LA Grant Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Everyone seems to be assuming Jets are going for Rosen... what happened to the idea that Josh Allen could be the 1st or 2nd QB off the board? Think about it: of any owner who would be wary of Rosen's "character concerns," wouldn't it be Woody Johnson of all people? If it goes CLE - Darnold NYG - Barkley NYJ - Allen CLE - they could take Chubb, or more likely, they swap with DEN who want Rosen and still get Chubb <— OR this also leaves the possibility that BUF use their plethora of picks to beat DEN's offer to nab Rosen, and CLE decides 12 & 22 & a 1st next year is the better deal. So BUF - Rosen DEN - Mayfield Everyone wins, except the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Allen is the guy that they’re actually rumored to be most interested in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Allen is the guy that they’re actually rumored to be most interested in Exactly. It's possible that the Allen hype is what made the Jets move up... right? This is good for the Bills, provided they can still get ahead of Denver. Woody Johnson is a hardcore Republican, why would he want to go all in on getting Josh Rosen as his franchise QB? It seems more likely that they think Allen is the next Big Ben, but needs a year or two to sit and watch Bridgewater/McCown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Rosen is going to go #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't always agree with LA Grant, but he is exactly right here. We cannot be sure of who the Jets want, and I (for one) still think the Giants could very well take Barkley. There is no need for some of the doom and gloom posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mayock has Allen as his #2 QB behind Darnold. I think the Bills have Allen #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The Jets make incredibly stupid decisions, time and time again. I like Allen more than most, but for the Jets to take him would be idiotic. By the time he is ready in two years, MacCagnan and Bowles will be fired. That's why it is the most Jets decision possible and therefore the most likely outcome. I do think someone could drop a bit, could be Allen, Rosen or Mayfield and we may be able to get one in that 7-10 range. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, LA Grant said: Everyone seems to be assuming Jets are going for Rosen... what happened to the idea that Josh Allen could be the 1st or 2nd QB off the board? Think about it: of any owner who would be wary of Rosen's "character concerns," wouldn't it be Woody Johnson of all people? If it goes CLE - Darnold NYG - Barkley NYJ - Allen CLE - they could take Chubb, or more likely, they swap with DEN who want Rosen and still get Chubb <— OR this also leaves the possibility that BUF use their plethora of picks to beat DEN's offer to nab Rosen, and CLE decides 12 & 22 & a 1st next year is the better deal. So BUF - Rosen DEN - Mayfield Everyone wins, except the Jets. No way Chubb is going as high as the 4th pick in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It’s an interesting thought. They have kind of gone the way of having their QB sit for a year... which would be Allen or Darnold. Rosen is most likely to start week 1 with whatever team he goes to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Iverwig said: No way Chubb is going as high as the 4th pick in the draft. Not saying you're necessarily wrong because who knows but he was being projected to Colts at 3 in a bunch of mocks. If Cleveland gets their QB and can't get Barkley, why not the best defensive player at 4? Or if Chubb isn't best defensive player then who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, LA Grant said: Not saying you're necessarily wrong because who knows but he was being projected to Colts at 3 in a bunch of mocks. If Cleveland gets their QB and can't get Barkley, why not the best defensive player at 4? Or if Chubb isn't best defensive player then who? My bust, for some reason I forgot about the defensive Chubb and was thinking of Chubb the rb. You may be right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said: It’s an interesting thought. They have kind of gone the way of having their QB sit for a year... which would be Allen or Darnold. Rosen is most likely to start week 1 with whatever team he goes to. Agreed. Also, if it goes like this: CLE - Darnold NYG - Barkley NYJ - Allen DEN (via CLE) - they could take Chubb, or more likely, they swap with DEN who want Rosen and still get Chubb <— so DEN - ROSEN CLE (via DEN) - Chubb, or Best Defensive Player, OR again Bills could trade here and get Mayfield IND - If CLE goes Chubb/BDPA, then at 6, IND also makes sense as a potential partner for Mayfield TB - as does TB Rosen or Mayfield are my 2 & 3 choices, so if Beane is evaluating the same way, and they successfully inflated Josh Allen's draft profile to force the Jets to make their move early, there are a number of ways this still works out as hoped. There's also the possibility of CLE or NYG trading out from the top two, I just never thought it would be a likely scenario and still don't. It's not impossible obviously; the Gettelman connection is probably helpful with other trades with NYG but I just don't know if there's any deal possible good enough to convince you to not take either Barkley or Darnold when they are practically gifted to you because 50% of your offense went to IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: It’s an interesting thought. They have kind of gone the way of having their QB sit for a year... which would be Allen or Darnold. Rosen is most likely to start week 1 with whatever team he goes to. Over ... Tyrod? No Manning? No Keenum? No McCown? Yes Bradford? No McCarron? Yes Tannehill? Maybe but unlikely Doubtful that he'll "start week 1". You don't typically pay someone between $16 and $25MM and have him sitting on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: Over ... Tyrod? No Manning? No Keenum? No McCown? Yes Bradford? No McCarron? Yes Tannehill? Maybe but unlikely Doubtful that he'll "start week 1". You don't typically pay someone between $16 and $25MM and have him sitting on the bench. Ok... Must have missed where I said “most likely” and Rosen starts over Tannehill without a doubt. Edited March 17, 2018 by Wayne Cubed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 59 minutes ago, PIZ said: Mayock has Allen as his #2 QB behind Darnold. I think the Bills have Allen #1. If so, I hope the Jets get him and "win" Allen and we get the "consolation prize" of Rosen, Darold, or Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, thurst44 said: If so, I hope the Jets get him and "win" Allen and we get the "consolation prize" of Rosen, Darold, or Mayfield. Darnold is the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 42 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Ok... Must have missed where I said “most likely” and Rosen starts over Tannehill without a doubt. Yeah, well I guess we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It's possible and there have been some rumors to substantiate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Nobody knows but the jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, LA Grant said: Everyone seems to be assuming Jets are going for Rosen... what happened to the idea that Josh Allen could be the 1st or 2nd QB off the board? Think about it: of any owner who would be wary of Rosen's "character concerns," wouldn't it be Woody Johnson of all people? If it goes CLE - Darnold NYG - Barkley NYJ - Allen CLE - they could take Chubb, or more likely, they swap with DEN who want Rosen and still get Chubb <— OR this also leaves the possibility that BUF use their plethora of picks to beat DEN's offer to nab Rosen, and CLE decides 12 & 22 & a 1st next year is the better deal. So BUF - Rosen DEN - Mayfield Everyone wins, except the Jets. IMO Denver isnt taking a QB. Elway already had a cheap bridge QB on the roster, 2 actually. He did not need to in anyway shape or form sign Keenum to a more expensive multi year deal if they were taking a rookie at #5. He signed Keenum to be the starting QB and try and win now before his window with that roster closes any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 No one knows who the Jets want, or who the Bills want. No one knows if the Jets guy will be there at 3. No one knows if the Bills guy will be there at 2. Or 12. It’s ok to speculate who you think everyone wants and where these players will go but smokescreens are heavy and every year there are surprised in the draft. Surprise trades, surprise drops, etc. It’s pointless to get upset about anything until after the draft. Even then it’s too early but I get everyone has their “favorite” QB or ideal draft. Just don’t understand the angst with so little info out there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: No one knows who the Jets want, or who the Bills want. No one knows if the Jets guy will be there at 3. No one knows if the Bills guy will be there at 2. Or 12. It’s ok to speculate who you think everyone wants and where these players will go but smokescreens are heavy and every year there are surprised in the draft. Surprise trades, surprise drops, etc. It’s pointless to get upset about anything until after the draft. Even then it’s too early but I get everyone has their “favorite” QB or ideal draft. Just don’t understand the angst with so little info out there. Because we have a bunch of overreacting ninny's as fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 A QB is being taken in each of the first 3 picks. This thread is missing that probability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 20 hours ago, Paulus said: A QB is being taken in each of the first 3 picks. This thread is missing that probability. I think that happens if NYG trade down, probably with BUF... but if NYG stays at 2, why wouldn't they take Barkley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) I thought NYJ loved Mayfield a few weeks ago. The trade up initially looked to me like they were jumping Denver for Mayfield. But who knows. Edited March 18, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 22 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Rosen is going to go #2. I honestly don't see this happening. I feel the giants are in win now mode (hence the big contract to solder and trade for ogeltree). Giants only have 5 picks, whether it's the bills or another team, I see them trading back to get more picks. 22 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: I do think someone could drop a bit, could be Allen, Rosen or Mayfield and we may be able to get one in that 7-10 range. 100% agree with this.. I feel we will trade up, but maybe not in top 5, but I've been thinking this for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 11 hours ago, LA Grant said: I think that happens if NYG trade down, probably with BUF... but if NYG stays at 2, why wouldn't they take Barkley? Because Eli is not looking like he once did. Because, the QB class is on of the best in decades. Because, QB is valued higher than RB. Because, the Giants don't usually pick this high. Etc. Etc. Etc. I say, if the Giants stay at 2 they get Rosen. Jets get Mayfield at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I hope they draft Geno Smith again. Is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I just hope this is Miami's Dion Jordan trade all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 12 hours ago, LA Grant said: I think that happens if NYG trade down, probably with BUF... but if NYG stays at 2, why wouldn't they take Barkley? Their qb sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) On 3/17/2018 at 5:28 PM, YoloinOhio said: No one knows who the Jets want, or who the Bills want. No one knows if the Jets guy will be there at 3. No one knows if the Bills guy will be there at 2. Or 12. It’s ok to speculate who you think everyone wants and where these players will go but smokescreens are heavy and every year there are surprised in the draft. Surprise trades, surprise drops, etc. It’s pointless to get upset about anything until after the draft. Even then it’s too early but I get everyone has their “favorite” QB or ideal draft. Just don’t understand the angst with so little info out there. Have to agree with this, I honestly believe the Jets did this trade partly to make the Bills force their hand. If they really do end up taking Allen, you're gonna be able to hear a collective sigh in NYC Edited March 19, 2018 by buffalo2218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Because Eli is not looking like he once did. Because, the QB class is on of the best in decades. Because, QB is valued higher than RB. Because, the Giants don't usually pick this high. Etc. Etc. Etc. I say, if the Giants stay at 2 they get Rosen. Jets get Mayfield at 3. I honestly don't think they will. I think they should.... but I think the Giants covet either Nelson or Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 6:10 AM, Tyrod's friend said: Over ... Tyrod? No Manning? No Keenum? No McCown? Yes Bradford? No McCarron? Yes Tannehill? Maybe but unlikely Doubtful that he'll "start week 1". You don't typically pay someone between $16 and $25MM and have him sitting on the bench. Trubitsky says hi. He might well have sat the whole year if Glennon had been any good. Mahomes too. These days you can do that. Garrett got $30 mill at the #1 pick last year. $30 mill over 4 years. That's $7.5 mill per year. You can absolutely sit a guy making that if you think that's in his long-term best interest in becoming an excellent player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I think most are worried there is a run on QB’s in the first 3 picks. Also this board doesn’t really like Allen, so that’s not a huge deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The Jets have to be banking on their being 3 QB's in this draft that they equally like. My guess is Darnold, Allen or Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Mayfield doesn’t fit what their gm picks. He likes the big tall prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 17 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: I thought NYJ loved Mayfield a few weeks ago. The trade up initially looked to me like they were jumping Denver for Mayfield. But who knows. I think that could be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Woody Johnson is a meddling owner and I think he would want Mayfield or Josh Allen. I don't think Rosen's off field stuff is a big deal, but for Johnson it probably is. Donald Trump assigned him as Ambassador to the UK. That's his boy. He and Johnson both live in Bedminster Township, NJ. This clearly seems owner driven and I think he wants Allen or Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Trubitsky says hi. He might well have sat the whole year if Glennon had been any good. Mahomes too. These days you can do that. Garrett got $30 mill at the #1 pick last year. $30 mill over 4 years. That's $7.5 mill per year. You can absolutely sit a guy making that if you think that's in his long-term best interest in becoming an excellent player. Just another player to make my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 If the Bills want him I hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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