The Colts' #3 Pick is Very Much in Play - Acquired by the NYJ

[Buffalo Ballin]

8 minutes ago, Nitro said:

I live in Indy.  Local sports radio is a buzz over the possible trade with the Bills.  Here is what the locals want in return for 3rd selection:  2 firsts 2018, 2 seconds 2018, third 2018  and first in 2019.  These folks are nuts.

I'm not surprised.  It is expected. Colts' brass probably letting Bills know about Andrew Luck's value. This is the price tag for him even with his bum shoulder. Yes, Andrew Luck as I mentioned before in my previous posts. Luck hasn't even thrown a football yet (it's been over a year since he last threw one) and will not throw one until training camp. You know how horrible that sounds? That's bad news.

 

I agree with the absurdity for the cost for the 3rd pick though. 2 firsts 2018, 2 seconds 2018, third 2018  and first in 2019. That's way too much for an unknown. Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Rosen, etc. I don't care. That's way too much. Will Bills Mike Ditka it? I give up all those picks up for Luck only.

[Tyrod's friend]

6 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

LOL.

 

I needed a good laugh this morning.

 

Thanks

Rudolph never makes the second round. Bet on it. 

[BillsFan4]

With the way things are shaking out in free agency I am thinking more and more that the #3 pick is our target. 

 

With The Browns signing both Carlos Hyde for 3yrs $15+M ($6M year 1) and Isaiah Crowell for 3yrs, $12 M, they look to be going QB at #1 instead of Barkley.

 

Gettleman said if he uses pick #2, that player should have hall of fame potential. 

They seem to be all in on making a run with Eli the next few years. If Browns go QB at #1 and Barkley is sitting there at 2, the Giants might not want to even trade out of that spot. Barkley would be a huge help to Eli and seems to fit Gettleman's criteria of hall of fame potential. 

 

If that's what happens it would leave pick #3 as the perfect trading spot for the Bills. It'll be cheaper than trading to 1 or 2 - it may only take our two 1sts plus the Cleveland 3rd (that would equal just slightly more than the draft value chart for the #3 pick), or maybe one 2nd (instead of the 3rd), leaving Buffalo with their pick of the remaining QBs and a good amount of draft capital to still improve the team (1 or 2 2nds, 1 or 2 3rds, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th). 

 

Indy has a ton of holes and wasn't all that active in free agency (I believe they've only signed 1 guy so far...). Ballard has said he's a huge believer in building through the draft. 

 

We will see soon enough I guess... 

[Jasovon]

The only team with more ammo to trade up than the Bills is the Browns and they are already there. If we want that 2nd pick who is going to be able to outbid us?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BillsFan4 said:

With the way things are shaking out in free agency I am thinking more and more that the #3 pick is our target. 

 

With The Browns signing both Carlos Hyde for 3yrs $15+M ($6M year 1) and Isaiah Crowell for 3yrs, $12 M, they look to be going QB at #1 instead of Barkley.

 

Gettleman said if he uses pick #2, that player should have hall of fame potential. 

They seem to be all in on making a run with Eli the next few years. If Browns go QB at #1 and Barkley is sitting there at 2, the Giants might not want to even trade out of that spot. Barkley would be a huge help to Eli and seems to fit Gettleman's criteria of hall of fame potential. 

 

If that's what happens it would leave pick #3 as the perfect trading spot for the Bills. It'll be cheaper than trading to 1 or 2 - it may only take our two 1sts plus the Cleveland 3rd (that would equal just slightly more than the draft value chart for the #3 pick), or maybe one 2nd (instead of the 3rd), leaving Buffalo with their pick of the remaining QBs and a good amount of draft capital to still improve the team (1 or 2 2nds, 1 or 2 3rds, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th). 

 

Indy has a ton of holes and wasn't all that active in free agency (I believe they've only signed 1 guy so far...). Ballard has said he's a huge believer in building through the draft. 

 

We will see soon enough I guess... 

 

It looks like the best opportunity to me.  I think the Browns have every intention of drafting Darnold at #1 with Tyrod as the bridge to him.  I can see either Barkley or Nelson to the NYG at #2.  The Colts have quite a few needs and the Bills can help them to make it a win-win for both teams.

[Captain Murica]

On 3/13/2018 at 4:17 PM, dma0034 said:

There is no way the Bills give up all of that. 2 1sts, a 2nd and that top of the 3rd pick. 

And then the Colts should use all four of those picks on O-Line help. Not even joking

They're taking crazy pills. I'd say 2 first and a second possibly a 4th in 2019 should do it? 

[{::'KayCeeS::}]

2 minutes ago, Jasovon said:

The only team with more ammo to trade up than the Bills is the Browns and they are already there. If we want that 2nd pick who is going to be able to outbid us?

 

I just want to say I heart your profile pic so much. 

 

To the rest of the community, I'm sorry I wasted your space *emoji for humbled*

[ndirish1978]

On 3/13/2018 at 4:15 PM, Nitro said:

I live in Indy.  Local sports radio is a buzz over the possible trade with the Bills.  Here is what the locals want in return for 3rd selection:  2 firsts 2018, 2 seconds 2018, third 2018  and first in 2019.  These folks are nuts.

 

Beyond insanity. With fans like that they deserve the owner they have.

[Buffalo Ballin]

The deal will be for Colts 3rd or Andrew Luck. If it's' Cleveland Browns, it's only for their 4th pick. I don't see the Giants as good trading partners with us for their number 2.

[Chuck Wagon]

On 3/13/2018 at 4:15 PM, Nitro said:

I live in Indy.  Local sports radio is a buzz over the possible trade with the Bills.  Here is what the locals want in return for 3rd selection:  2 firsts 2018, 2 seconds 2018, third 2018  and first in 2019.  These folks are nuts.

 

LOL

 

That's ~3,500 points vs ~2,200 points for a move 9 spots down the draft, when the Colts aren't going to take QB and the best players available are likely a guard and a RB.

 

If the Colts are sold on one of Barkley / Nelson / Chubb, they should take a move down with us and then give back some of the picks to move to ~7.

[OldTimer1960]

On 3/13/2018 at 4:30 PM, Tyrod's friend said:

And I'm still waiting for Cindy Crawford to sit on my lap. 

She is getting old

[RochesterRob]

On March 13, 2018 at 3:15 PM, Nitro said:

I live in Indy.  Local sports radio is a buzz over the possible trade with the Bills.  Here is what the locals want in return for 3rd selection:  2 firsts 2018, 2 seconds 2018, third 2018  and first in 2019.  These folks are nuts.

  That the Colts would want that much would not surprise me but I surely would not want to pay that price.  FA's and draft picks bust out so our haul as of today may not pan out the way we want it to.

[Buffalo Ballin]

On 3/13/2018 at 7:09 AM, BillsFan17 said:

Bills aren't trading up to 12 to not get one of the top picks. Unless they have someone interchangeable like the Eagles did with their choice. They apparently were okay with Goff or Wentz.

 

If Darnold and say Rosen or Allen go first and second. Either by the teams originally drafting there or via trade, are the Bills going to be okay taking not their #1 guy?

 

Meaning, Buffalo has to get to #2 at the very least. Three or four are too big of a risk.

 

No. Giants are looking to get Eli's replacement now. I don't think they want to trade. Pick number 3 from Colts or Browns' 4th are about right for us. That's the best we can go.

[ALF]

On the NFLN guest suggested Browns trade #4 to Bills for #12+  in order to draft a LT to replace Joe Thomas. Sounds good to me.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

On 3/13/2018 at 4:41 PM, Tyrod's friend said:

Rudolph never makes the second round. Bet on it. 

 

EJ Manuel never made it to the 2nd round either so whats your point? LOL

[Pete]

38 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

She is getting old

she is still hot

[Tyrod's friend]

2 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

EJ Manuel never made it to the 2nd round either so whats your point? LOL

I have no point. I often have no point. It's part of my charm ...

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

She is getting old

 
I'm 60, so she'll be a rock star til I die. Her and Elle MacPherson, the two women that made a deal with the Devil himself.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

The Bills are so obviously trying to trade for a top QB in the draft

The Bills have a plan for 2018 — and they haven’t been entirely subtle about it this offseason. After unloading Tyrod Taylor to the Browns (so sorry, Taylor) and shipping tackle Cordy Glenn to the Bengals to move up from the 21st pick to the 12th, Buffalo is betting hard on a deep, but unpredictable class of college quarterbacks to lead the franchise into the future.

 

And that could be a boon for the Indianapolis Colts.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

I would sign up for that...but not prior to draft night.

 

[TheFunPolice]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

That doesn't seem like enough for the Colts, plus they give back another pick in the 3rd round. If I'm the Bills I make that deal immediately and send a nice fruit basket after everything is official. I'm talking fancy fruit basket... pomegranates, papayas, maybe some cherimoyas... not some cheap red delicious apple junk!

[Matt_In_NH]

As it should be assuming Luck can get healthy.   They stand to get a big premium for that pick with multiple teams vying for theirs.  The Bills are pretty far away still.   I have read teams like the Broncos and Jets may try and trade up.  This will be an overpaying situation more than likely

[PaattMaann]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

That doesn't seem like enough for the Colts, plus they give back another pick in the 3rd round. If I'm the Bills I make that deal immediately and send a nice fruit basket after everything is official. I'm talking fancy fruit basket... pomegranates, papayas, maybe some cherimoyas... not some cheap red delicious apple junk!

 

Yea I don't see that 3rd rounder coming back to the Bills, other than that....I truly think that deal gets it done. 

1 minute ago, mattynh said:

As it should be assuming Luck can get healthy.   They stand to get a big premium for that pick with multiple teams vying for theirs.  The Bills are pretty far away still.   I have read teams like the Broncos and Jets may try and trade up.  This will be an overpaying situation more than likely

 

unless the Broncos or Jets are willing to give up several picks in this draft AND next years 1st rounder, they simply don't have the ammo we have, and we can overpay and STILL have a full draft this year and next. Good position to be in. 

[TheFunPolice]

if the Bills can swing a trade like that and end up picking top 3 in the 1st round and still have a pick in each round this year (maybe a couple 3rds if that is accurate) then Beane hit it out of the park.

 

Break the drought

Pick #3 overall

Draft in each of the top 3 rounds

Still have every premium pick in 2019

 

That's crushing it!

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Yea I don't see that 3rd rounder coming back to the Bills, other than that....I truly think that deal gets it done. 

 

#2 is available too, so Indy doesn't hold all the cards.  Can't see Jets or anybody else other than Bills giving up a lot before #3 pick is on clock.  

[P51]

18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I would sign up for that...but not prior to draft night.

 

 

I'd still do it today, lol!! Dont think I'd let them sleep on it...

 

Then trade that #67 and #3 pick to the Giants with for #2 tomorrow...

[KDIGGZ]

DO EEEEEEEEEEEET

[NewEraBills]

23 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Hopefully the Colts have a high grade on Davenport.  We need the #3 pick.

22 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

That doesn't seem like enough for the Colts, plus they give back another pick in the 3rd round. If I'm the Bills I make that deal immediately and send a nice fruit basket after everything is official. I'm talking fancy fruit basket... pomegranates, papayas, maybe some cherimoyas... not some cheap red delicious apple junk!

More than likely rather than 67 we'd get a 4th rounder, which would be perfect since we don't have one.

2 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

DO EEEEEEEEEEEET

 

[mannc]

25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Seems about right.  No way the Colts keep the third pick.  This is the right move for them.  Bills then have their choice of QBs, minus whomever the Browns take at 1.  (I expect Browns to try to trade up to 2 and take Barkley there.)

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

If we move up to #3 before the draft. That's a signal IMO that Beane has a clear top 3 and we are likely to stay put at 3 and take whoever comes to us. I would assume the top three in no particular order would be Rosen, Darnold and Allen. I'd prefer Mayfield over Allen, but I don't think Mayfield is a Beane kind of prospect. 

 

If on the other hand, Beane has only a top two, say Rosen and Darnold, I think he tries like hell to move up to #2 or #1 before the draft. And that would signal to me that he does not like Allen.

 

All speculation of course.

On 3/13/2018 at 7:09 AM, BillsFan17 said:

If Darnold and say Rosen or Allen go first and second. Either by the teams originally drafting there or via trade, are the Bills going to be okay taking not their #1 guy?

 

Meaning, Buffalo has to get to #2 at the very least. Three or four are too big of a risk.

 

I suspect Beane has a #1 guy. But I think he has a top three he is very comfortable taking. And if that is the case, he may not sell the farm to get to #1 or #2. Not sure he feels the same way about the top four though. 

Anyone think we trade up to #7 (Tampa) or #8 (Chicago) in the coming days? What this does is it enables us to trade to #2 or #3 and the Giants or Colts can still draft in the top 10. Could be appealing to them if they still want to get an elite prospect. 

[Matt_In_NH]

47 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Yea I don't see that 3rd rounder coming back to the Bills, other than that....I truly think that deal gets it done. 

 

unless the Broncos or Jets are willing to give up several picks in this draft AND next years 1st rounder, they simply don't have the ammo we have, and we can overpay and STILL have a full draft this year and next. Good position to be in. 

 

They dont need as much ammo, they only need to go up a couple spots.  If the Colts like someone woul will likely be there at 6 but not at 12 they might feel better to do that and not get as many picks but get their target at 6.  There are a lot of factors.  They also could trade to 6 and then trade back more and end up with all kinds of picks.

[Rob's House]

On 3/9/2018 at 2:58 PM, Pete said:

Mayfield is the guy I want, if we trade up.

 

I actually think he's the safest pick. Rosen has injury, attitude, and pocket mobility concerns; Darnold has ball control issues and questions about his decision making, and Allen could be the next Big Ben or the next JP Losman.

 

The only real knock on Mayfield is height and a proclivity for crotch grabbing, neither of which concerns me much.

[PaattMaann]

6 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

They dont need as much ammo, they only need to go up a couple spots.  If the Colts like someone woul will likely be there at 6 but not at 12 they might feel better to do that and not get as many picks but get their target at 6.  There are a lot of factors.  They also could trade to 6 and then trade back more and end up with all kinds of picks.

 

Colts want pass rusher, they want chubb. If they move back to 5 or 6 he likely wont be there anyway.

 

Good points though. I see one of these teams moving back a couple times with a couple QB needy teams honestly. 

 

My point, we have the ammo, we will move up to whatever spot we choose. 

[Matt_In_NH]

2 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Colts want pass rusher, they want chubb. If they move back to 5 or 6 he likely wont be there anyway.

 

Good points though. I see one of these teams moving back a couple times with a couple QB needy teams honestly. 

 

My point, we have the ammo, we will move up to whatever spot we choose. 

 

So long as the other team agrees.

[JohnC]

On 3/9/2018 at 2:52 PM, thebandit27 said:

 

That makes two of us...though I'd throw Mayfield in there too.

 

Sorry, *three of us

Bandit, Did you do a workup on Allen? It seems that there has been more recent buzz about him by many commentators/analysts. While before there were divergent views on him it seems that his ranking has been solidified in the top tier with Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield. 

 

My belief is that the Bills are targeting Rosen. I would be happy with that pick or any of the other top two with Allen still being a question mark.  I'm interested in your insightful thoughts although I reserve the right to disagree with you. 

Edited March 16, 2018 by JohnC

[Chuck Wagon]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

The Colts could take that, drop to 12 now, then move back up to 7-8 on draft night and still likely get one of Chubb / Barkley / Nelson / Fitzpatrick, ie get one of the guys they are potentially looking at with #3 while adding several extra picks.

[PaattMaann]

5 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

So long as the other team agrees.

 

if you build it they will come 

[What a Tuel]

24 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

They dont need as much ammo, they only need to go up a couple spots.  If the Colts like someone woul will likely be there at 6 but not at 12 they might feel better to do that and not get as many picks but get their target at 6.  There are a lot of factors.  They also could trade to 6 and then trade back more and end up with all kinds of picks.

 

They certainly need some ammo though. Currently the 6th spot isn't enough to trade up to 3rd. So they'd need to likely give up next years 1st at least to move up 3 spots.

 

We can simply outbid them and we shouldn't wring our hands about an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick to do it. No way they ask for next years 1st. Maybe Indy plays it up, maybe they don't but it helps that the Giants and Browns are potential alternative trading partners that we can play up too.

[Matt_In_NH]

If a team offers #6 and next years first to go to three.  What would an equivelent or better trade by from Buffalo?

 

#12, #22 and a 2nd?

 

I get we have the ammo required to do it, I get it.  But if you are the Colts you may look at things differently that is all I am saying.  What the Bills dont have is #6 and that may be what the Colts would want.   If next years one is on a team you think is bad that may be a better offer.   You are probably right, the Bills should be able to make it happen but the other team has to agree and want that over other teams offers.

[thebandit27]

31 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Bandit, Did you do a workup on Allen? It seems that there has been more recent buzz about him by many commentators/analysts. While before there were divergent views on him it seems that his ranking has been solidified in the top tier with Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield. 

 

My belief is that the Bills are targeting Rosen. I would be happy with that pick or any of the other top two with Allen still being a question mark.  I'm interested in your insightful thoughts although I reserve the right to disagree with you. 

 

I did.  I'm probably higher on him than most folks on this board, because when he looks right, he's obscenely good.

 

I believe he'll be drafted in the top 5 (in fact I'm stuck on him being Cleveland's choice at No. 1 overall--for now  ), and although a lot of folks will assume that coaches and GMs got suckered by his arm talent and athleticism, I don't think it's that superficial.  I think talent evaluators will see how well he plays when he's "on", and believe that they can extract that from him on a more consistent basis.  That he's got unparalleled arm talent and good athleticism will cement that opinion further.

 

For me, he's my QB5 behind the others, but I'd probably think long and serious about taking him in the back half of round 1 if I'm a team that has a veteran starter.