The Colts' #3 Pick is Very Much in Play - Acquired by the NYJ

[aristocrat]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

 

Or maybe just #12, #22 and next year's first so that we can fill the roster a bit this year. Should be interesting for sure!

 

id rather keep the very valuable first. but it might have to be part of it. 

[Chuck Wagon]

12 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

i think we would probably give up next years 2nd so that we have the player for next year. 

 

 

Would much rather give up the 2nd this year than next year.  I'll be real excited if we land the QB, but I'm not optimistic enough to think we'll be drafting later than 53 / 55 next year.  I'd hate to give up pick ~36 to save pick 55.

[TheFunPolice]

I still think it takes more than just tossing in #65...

 

IF that was the trade then WOW!

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

[Chuck Wagon]

11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

If we trade only trade #21 / #22 / Cordy / Tyrod and get to #3, wow.  Just wow.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I’m not trying to beat the drum too much but why are people so fixated on the antiquated trade value chart when we have a new version based on what has actually happened? (Although i would make that deal) 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Would much rather give up the 2nd this year than next year.  I'll be real excited if we land the QB, but I'm not optimistic enough to think we'll be drafting later than 53 / 55 next year.  I'd hate to give up pick ~36 to save pick 55.

 

if we are able to keep the first next year. we can always get the 2nd back next year with a trade down. i mean we can do that either way. but i'd rather have another hole filled this year

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Would much rather give up the 2nd this year than next year.  I'll be real excited if we land the QB, but I'm not optimistic enough to think we'll be drafting later than 53 / 55 next year.  I'd hate to give up pick ~36 to save pick 55.

I like next year’s draft better too. I want a pass rusher in that 2019 group. I’d much rather dump a pick this year (somewhere between 53-65 should get it done). 

[TheFunPolice]

Beane is like someone playing franchise mode in Madden, except this is real life!

 

LOL

 

 

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I like next year’s draft better too. I want a pass rusher in that 2019 group. I’d much rather dump a pick this year (somewhere between 53-65 should get it done). 

 

I think 12, 22 and 53/56 gets the Bills to #2, the Giants have to be the trading partner. Another team can just leapfrog the Bills at 3.

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I think 12, 22 and 53/56 gets the Bills to #2, the Giants have to be the trading partner. Another team can just leapfrog the Bills at 3.

Maybe so, the Bills can start something like this:

- Rosen

- Harrison Phillips

- Malik Jefferson

- Anthony Miller 

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I think 12, 22 and 53/56 gets the Bills to #2, the Giants have to be the trading partner. Another team can just leapfrog the Bills at 3.

 

 

I'm guessing not moving up to 2 is a pretty strong indication the Giants aren't planning on moving down at all.  I also wouldn't be surprised if they have a very good idea a non-QB is going 1 or 2.

 

Basically, I don't think they move up to 3 without having a very strong idea who they'll be getting, or are happy with either option.

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

I'm guessing not moving up to 2 is a pretty strong indication the Giants aren't planning on moving down at all.  I also wouldn't be surprised if they have a very good idea a non-QB is going 1 or 2.

 

Basically, I don't think they move up to 3 without having a very strong idea who they'll be getting, or are happy with either option.

 

I’m not sure they would know that...

[TheFunPolice]

could be Gettleman said he's staying put and either taking Barkley or Darnold. If the Bills want Rosen they only need to worry about the Browns in that scenario, who probably already hinted at where they are leaning at #1.

 

It kind of pays off for CLE to tell the Bills where they might be going so that they can assure themselves of the 2 guys they want at #1 and #4. IF they keep things too secret the Bills might go to #2 or #3 and take the guy CLE wants, so they forego taking Barkley #1 and end up missing out on him because they don't want to miss their QB.

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

could be Gettleman said he's staying put and either taking Barkley or Darnold. If the Bills want Rosen they only need to worry about the Browns in that scenario, who probably already hinted at where they are leaning at #1.

 

It kind of pays off for CLE to tell the Bills where they might be going so that they can assure themselves of the 2 guys they want at #1 and #4. IF they keep things too secret the Bills might go to #2 or #3 and take the guy CLE wants, so they forego taking Barkley #1 and end up missing out on him because they don't want to miss their QB.

 

 

Exactly.

 

It would benefit the Browns to know who the Bills are taking at 3 for their 4th pick as much as it would benefit the Bills to know who the Browns are taking at 1.

 

As for the Giants, there's a clear relationship with Gettleman and Beane.

[TheFunPolice]

Browns could be talking up Barkley hoping the Giants call them to switch spots, this picking up and extra pick and still getting them the QB. Then they trade #4 to some other QB hungry team and get even more picks.

 

It's fun to imagine what goes on behind the scenes!

Edited March 12, 2018 by TheFunPolice

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Chuck Wagon]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

I want it now!

 

Moving up to the top 3 before FA even starts would be killer.

[BillsFan130]

The question I have...

 

What if Darnold goes 1, and the Giants don’t want to trade the 2 pick and they draft Rosen.

 

What do the Bills do?

 

Do they trade to 4 and get Allen or Mayfield?

[Nitro]

Here is a scenario no one wants to see.  Cleveland takes Rosen at 1.  Bills trade with the Colts for 3 and NY Giants select Darnold then trade him to the NY Jets for a slew of picks in the draft.  

[bkep32]

I think browns will go allen, giants take barkley, then we trade 12, 22 and next years 2nd to get to #3 and take darnold, colts have a lot of holes to fill, yes chubb sounds great but getting 2 in top 22 would be nice to start filling out their roster.  Dont be surprised of OBD gets this trade completed b4 the draft. Or even if i say it...just give up 12 and 22 for luck, and colts select darnold and have picks 12 and 22.

Edited March 12, 2018 by bkep32

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Here is a scenario no one wants to see.  Cleveland takes Rosen at 1.  Bills trade with the Colts for 3 and NY Giants select Darnold then trade him to the NY Jets for a slew of picks in the draft.  

I would love to see the Jets waste a slew of high picks on that turnover machine from QB Bust University.  And I would love it if we got Allen or Mayfield.  

 

Oh, and we could then swap picks with the Browns so that they could pick Barkley, recouping another pick or two.

Edited March 12, 2018 by mannc

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, bkep32 said:

I think browns will go allen, giants take barkley, then we trade 12, 22 and next years 2nd to get to #3 and take darnold, colts have a lot of holes to fill, yes chubb sounds great but getting 2 in top 22 would be nice to start filling out their roster.  Dont be surprised of OBD gets this trade completed b4 the draft.

 

 

I absolutely think Barkley is going 1 or 2.  If we really are deep in talks with the Colts, it's because we know a player we are comfortable taking is going to be available, bottom line.  These supposed "what happens if, oh no!" scenarios are dumb and pointless.

[BuffaloRebound]

8 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Here is a scenario no one wants to see.  Cleveland takes Rosen at 1.  Bills trade with the Colts for 3 and NY Giants select Darnold then trade him to the NY Jets for a slew of picks in the draft.  

 

I don't think we have to worry about Giants trading with Jets.  I think Giants want Barkley.  If Bills trade up to 3, it forces Cleveland to take a QB at 1 because Bills would still have enough draft picks to outbid Cleveland for Giants pick at 2.  

[Helpmenow]

Frank Reich will help the bills out.

[DrDawkinstein]

The Giants #2 pick should be the target. Go all in. Big game hunting.

 

We have more than enough ammo to get there and still have picks left over. Gettleman and Beane are buds.

 

Git r dun.

 

 

 

Browns would be nuts to pass on Barkley #1. Get your top talent, and they'll still get (at worst) the 3rd crack at QB.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Not high enough.

 

Speaking of which... me neither, brb.

[HappyDays]

According to the draft value chart I looked at this could be done with 12, 22, and 65. We would get 3 and probably 140 as a throw in.

[26CornerBlitz]

Mike Rodak

Trades allow Bills to pounce on a top quarterback in draft

The Bills now own the No. 12 and No. 22 picks in the first round, increasing the odds that they could make a move into the top five to take a QB.

 

There is reason to believe Buffalo could find trading partners in the New York Giants (No. 2 selection) or Indianapolis Colts (No. 3), both of which do not have immediate needs at quarterback and could value a volume of high-round picks from Buffalo. If the Browns draft a quarterback at No. 1, they could have incentive to deal with the Bills at No. 4 should a quarterback the Bills covet remain available.

[26CornerBlitz]

Draft Trade Chart

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Draft Trade Chart

 

12 / 22 / 65 is worth more than 3 on the chart

 

If they want 53 instead of 65 so they really feel like they "win" , who cares (especially if we could get them to kick back 140 or 178 so we finish "down" 1 pick)

[The Wiz]

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not high enough.

 

Speaking of which... me neither, brb.

Why not high enough?  Not you, the pick.

 

You figure even either Cleveland or NYG is likely to take Barkley.  If Cleveland takes Barkley then I can imagine NYG might trade back and another team that wants one of the top 3 qb's will jump in to get him.

 

That being said, we still have 2 of the 3 top prospects to pick from which is pretty damn good.

[Victory Formation]

41 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

I don't think we have to worry about Giants trading with Jets.  I think Giants want Barkley.  If Bills trade up to 3, it forces Cleveland to take a QB at 1 because Bills would still have enough draft picks to outbid Cleveland for Giants pick at 2.  

Gettleman is key here. Perhaps he told Beane that if Cleveland goes QB, the Gmen are taking Barkley. This could be the Giants and Bills teaming up to get their guy. Giants want to maim Cleveland into taking a QB, Buffalo wants either Rosen or Darnold. But the key is Gettleman.

Edited March 13, 2018 by NewDayBills

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Chuck Wagon said:

 

12 / 22 / 65 is worth more than 3 on the chart

 

If they want 53 instead of 65 so they really feel like they "win" , who cares (especially if we could get them to kick back 140 or 178 so we finish "down" 1 pick)

 

Just get it done without haggling over points value. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Why not high enough?  Not you, the pick.

 

You figure even either Cleveland or NYG is likely to take Barkley.  If Cleveland takes Barkley then I can imagine NYG might trade back and another team that wants one of the top 3 qb's will jump in to get him.

 

That being said, we still have 2 of the 3 top prospects to pick from which is pretty damn good.

 

I'm just done with this team kitty-footing around when it comes to getting their QB. They shouldve made the Texans an offer they couldnt refuse back in 2004. Just go up and make it a sure thing. I get your logic, I dont think youre wrong, just a different opinion on the approach.

[Chuck Wagon]

15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Just get it done without haggling over points value. 

 

 

They don't need to wait for the Glenn & Tyrod trades to be final, do they?  I know I read there's a pick that's been traded ~3 times this offseason, not sure if 12 and/or 65 are included they can move them now or not.

 

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'm just done with this team kitty-footing around when it comes to getting their QB. They shouldve made the Texans an offer they couldnt refuse back in 2004. Just go up and make it a sure thing. I get your logic, I dont think youre wrong, just a different opinion on the approach.

 

You also need to accept that 3 might be as high as they can get.

Edited March 13, 2018 by Chuck Wagon

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'm just done with this team kitty-footing around when it comes to getting their QB. They shouldve made the Texans an offer they couldnt refuse back in 2004. Just go up and make it a sure thing. I get your logic, I dont think youre wrong, just a different opinion on the approach.

I get it.  I agree.  But Beane has done anything but kitty-footing around when it comes to getting picks for picks/players.  If there's a deal worth it at 2, he'll make it.  Hell, I wouldn't doubt he's on the horn with Cleveland to see what the #1 would cost.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

You also need to accept that 3 might be as high as they can get.

 

I'll accept whatever they do, mostly because... what other choice do we have? haha.

 

Plus, Beane has already shown he's making moves, so even if nothing else happens, I'd believe they were TRYING in the background. I think that's pretty obvious.

 

That all said, packaging #12, #22, #56, and #96 should be enough to get us to #2 (assuming Giants are willing to trade out at all). We are more in control of our own destiny than this team has been in a very long time.

[stony]

16 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Why not high enough?  Not you, the pick.

 

You figure even either Cleveland or NYG is likely to take Barkley.  If Cleveland takes Barkley then I can imagine NYG might trade back and another team that wants one of the top 3 qb's will jump in to get him.

 

That being said, we still have 2 of the 3 top prospects to pick from which is pretty damn good.

I know its been popular of late, but I can't get behind Cleveland passing on a QB at #1.  

[The Wiz]

Just now, stony said:

I know its been popular of late, but I can't get behind Cleveland passing on a QB at #1.  

I don't think they will either and I think the Giants are going to hold on to #2 for Barkley unless someone throws them a ludicrous deal at them (even then, Barkley isn't the type of player you trade out of picking).