Buffalo716 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 If the Bills do not trade up and sit on the clock at 21-22 they can make a non flashy, but a very Dividends paying pick if we sit at 21-22 and no QB is available I would run to the podium to select Billy Price C/OG from OSU He is freakishly strong and very explosive and looks like a 12+ year mauler Slotting Price at C , we can move Groy to RG and kill 2 birds with 1 stone we also can then flip Dawkins or Glenn to RT and we have a solid pair of bookend Tackles for years Glenn-Incognito-Price-Groy-Dawkins looks like a damn fine line to me 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I do like Price, but I wonder why Groy didn't see time at RG when Ducasse struggled. I don't know if the staff sees him as a fit there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, whatdrought said: I do like Price, but I wonder why Groy didn't see time at RG when Ducasse struggled. I don't know if the staff sees him as a fit there. Probably insurance for wood if he went down... can't lose your swing center to injury playing guard... especially now that we know that wood had a neck stinger this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If the Bills do not trade up and sit on the clock at 21-22 they can make a non flashy, but a very Dividends paying pick if we sit at 21-22 and no QB is available I would run to the podium to select Billy Price C/OG from OSU He is freakishly strong and very explosive and looks like a 12+ year mauler Slotting Price at C , we can move Groy to RG and kill 2 birds with 1 stone we also can then flip Dawkins or Glenn to RT and we have a solid pair of bookend Tackles for years Glenn-Incognito-Price-Groy-Dawkins looks like a damn fine line to me I like Price and mentioned the Bills and him a fit in an earlier post...but if the Bills are sitting at 21 and no QBs are available...they failed. With all the picks we have this year and the picks we have next year you get your QB by any means necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I wouldn't be mad at this at all I'm still wondering what happened to Miller though, I thought he had a bright future. I also think Glenn is as good as gone , anytime you can play a LT on a rookie contract that's a huge advantage for your Franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If the Bills do not trade up and sit on the clock at 21-22 they can make a non flashy, but a very Dividends paying pick if we sit at 21-22 and no QB is available I would run to the podium to select Billy Price C/OG from OSU He is freakishly strong and very explosive and looks like a 12+ year mauler Slotting Price at C , we can move Groy to RG and kill 2 birds with 1 stone we also can then flip Dawkins or Glenn to RT and we have a solid pair of bookend Tackles for years Glenn-Incognito-Price-Groy-Dawkins looks like a damn fine line to me I am just fascinated by this aspect of your post... Possibly because of my fantasies of running to the podium (beer in hand, sans shirt) and an making a selection too. I wouldn't hate Billy price at 22. as long as my shirtless drunk ass got Da'ron Payne at 21... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone? 4 birds with 2 stones would be better ... Do as the OP mentioned and then at #22 draft Lamar Jackson ... He could be our starting QB and Tyrod could be our #2 RB, #3 WR, kickoff return specialist and wildcat guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I wouldn't be mad at this at all I'm still wondering what happened to Miller though, I thought he had a bright future. I also think Glenn is as good as gone , anytime you can play a LT on a rookie contract that's a huge advantage for your Franchise. I thought I remember reading (forget which site/article) that Miller suffered under Dennison's zone blocking scheme. Miller is more of a straight ahead power blocker. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone? Price at C, Groy at RG, Ducasse at QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone? I think the Bills would love to have a rangy LBr like Smith from Georgia... he'd be a dynamic will in our defense... dont know if he'll be available there though If we don't retain Gaines I can see another CB like Josh Jackson... him and Tre would be an awesome tandem for years and years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton20 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 If there are no QB's at 21/22 and they have been unable to move up, I'd make the pick at 21 and try very hard to move down and acquire more picks for my 22nd. They have lots of holes and could use younger players and less middling free agents 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone? I would go MLB there unless one of the big 3 QB's fell that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I think the Bills would love to have a rangy LBr like Smith from Georgia... he'd be a dynamic will in our defense... dont know if he'll be available there though If we don't retain Gaines I can see another CB like Josh Jackson... him and Tre would be an awesome tandem for years and years My favorite picks would be Harrison Phillips, Taven Bryan, Josh Jackson, and Vander Esch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, billspro said: My favorite picks would be Harrison Phillips, Taven Bryan, Josh Jackson, and Vander Esch. I think Vander Esch is creeping up... but he is pretty raw. Doesn't have much time on the field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If the Bills do not trade up and sit on the clock at 21-22 they can make a non flashy, but a very Dividends paying pick if we sit at 21-22 and no QB is available I would run to the podium to select Billy Price C/OG from OSU He is freakishly strong and very explosive and looks like a 12+ year mauler Slotting Price at C , we can move Groy to RG and kill 2 birds with 1 stone we also can then flip Dawkins or Glenn to RT and we have a solid pair of bookend Tackles for years Glenn-Incognito-Price-Groy-Dawkins looks like a damn fine line to me I would be fine if Price is available, but Im a bit curious about what you mean by "no QB is available" Obviously there will still be QB available in the draft, it's gonna be a question of how they are valued. So who are the QB you think we should take if they are available at 21-22, and if they aren't available, what would your QB acquisition strategy become? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) if we are sitting there at 21/22 and no shot at a 1st rd. qb...or we get foles or a.j. i am sticking with the best available dt or 2 and/ or possibly davenport. however, my dream would be a killer front four ... adolphus/hurst....vea/ k. williams interior. on the ends i'd have hughes/ yarborough and lawson/lorax ....bad to the bone. we could live with brown, milano, humber, tanner and mid round draft pick at lb. Edited February 25, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, Doc said: Price at C, Groy at RG, Ducasse at QB. Well, that would fulfill the criterion "anyone but Taylor" 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, billspro said: My favorite picks would be Harrison Phillips, Taven Bryan, Josh Jackson, and Vander Esch. thats a good lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would be fine if Price is available, but Im a bit curious about what you mean by "no QB is available" Obviously there will still be QB available in the draft, it's gonna be a question of how they are valued. So who are the QB you think we should take if they are available at 21-22, and if they aren't available, what would your QB acquisition strategy become? Obviously these QBs can develop and become better than what they are but right now I would only be comfortable taking Rosen, Darnold and Baker round 1... if jackson and Rudolph and even Allen fell to round 2 the value is would be good... they won't have as much pressure and can sit for a while and develop At this point I don't get rid of TT until we have another QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I like Price and Isiah Wynn a lot. And interior line is up there with QB, and Front 7 as far as needs. This is a good year to have multiple picks. Perhaps we can trade down a few slots and still land Wynn or Price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 44 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone? That would be 3 birds with 2 stones 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Trash draft ultimate failure . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Obviously these QBs can develop and become better than what they are but right now I would only be comfortable taking Rosen, Darnold and Baker round 1... if jackson and Rudolph and even Allen fell to round 2 the value is would be good... they won't have as much pressure and can sit for a while and develop At this point I don't get rid of TT until we have another QB I like this post. I honestly hope Bills remain disciplined in regard to QB via the Draft. Have to draft one No question. I like Interior D line early. And LBs to compliment. No to CB early. FA will fill that need. Love to fix that O line though !! And i do think it needs fixin' as a very high priority. I want That R side fixed and depth. for the left. But mostly i do NOT want to give what it will take to move up for one of two or three QBs that are highly sought after already. Let it fall as it will, or very nearly 6 minutes ago, H2o said: That would be 3 birds with 2 stones i thought the same. Frostbit has a fine idea for nice ROI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I like this post. I honestly hope Bills remain disciplined in regard to QB via the Draft. Have to draft one No question. I like Interior D line early. And LBs to compliment. No to CB early. FA will fill that need. Love to fix that O line though !! And i do think it needs fixin' as a very high priority. I want That R side fixed and depth. for the left. But mostly i do NOT want to give what it will take to move up for one of two or three QBs that are highly sought after already. Let it fall as it will, or very nearly i thought the same. Frostbit has a fine idea for nice ROI. Your initial response is a recipe to end up with no qb .they must spend whatever it takes, it’s not optional imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: I wouldn't be mad at this at all I'm still wondering what happened to Miller though, I thought he had a bright future. I also think Glenn is as good as gone , anytime you can play a LT on a rookie contract that's a huge advantage for your Franchise. Not if you have a turnstile at RT. Plenty of teams are lining their best pass rushers up against the RT, or whoever the weak point of the line is. It's been YEARS since we got strong play out of RT, I was under the impression Dawkins was drafted to shore up RT (they also pursued Ricky Wagner in FA) and it was happy accident he played well as a plug in at LT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Not if you have a turnstile at RT. Plenty of teams are lining their best pass rushers up against the RT, or whoever the weak point of the line is. It's been YEARS since we got strong play out of RT, I was under the impression Dawkins was drafted to shore up RT (they also pursued Ricky Wagner in FA) and it was happy accident he played well as a plug in at LT. Yea I am all about 2 bookend tackles now... this isn't the 70s. The best pass rushers line up everywhere now and you NEED a good RT to block the Khalil Macks of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone? That would be 2 stones Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Is there a hand in a bush somewhere in this story? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Your initial response is a recipe to end up with no qb .they must spend whatever it takes, it’s not optional imo I do shift my thinking at times. But as I posted above " Have to draft one No question. " I do not want Bills reaching to the top ten from where they are now. Can see them making some savvy moves up and down this year. It's another season of rebuilding. I cannot see Bills Drafting a Starting QB from this years draft. that's just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Obviously these QBs can develop and become better than what they are but right now I would only be comfortable taking Rosen, Darnold and Baker round 1... if jackson and Rudolph and even Allen fell to round 2 the value is would be good... they won't have as much pressure and can sit for a while and develop At this point I don't get rid of TT until we have another QB So if Jackson were available at 21-22 you would say "pass" at this point? I would love to have Jackson or Rudolph in the 2nd (or even Allen) but if they're there when we pick at 21-22, no guarantee they make it into the 2nd. I'm with you on TT, in fact one step further: keep until we have another QB who demonstrates they can play better Edited February 25, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I think Miller goes back to starting RG. He'll be close to his old form before the Dennison scheme weeded him out. Groy can start at C if need be, but ideally, he remains the C/G swing man. If somehow we Do manage a starting C in the draft or FA, and get Miller back in for Ducasse, or line would look alot better. And with Cordy's age/health, he might be best served as our RT. Starters would look really good like Dawkins/Incognito/Price,Groy, FA/ Miller/Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: I wouldn't be mad at this at all I'm still wondering what happened to Miller though, I thought he had a bright future. I also think Glenn is as good as gone , anytime you can play a LT on a rookie contract that's a huge advantage for your Franchise. Miller ended up in the dog house when he struggled with the wonderful Zone blocking scheme. Evidently Dennison never heard the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fixit". Also Vlad was evidently a love child of Castillo. Hopefully things change this year. I also don't expect Glenn to last. I think he will be part of a draft deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, frostbitmic said: 4 birds with 2 stones would be better ... Do as the OP mentioned and then at #22 draft Lamar Jackson ... He could be our starting QB and Tyrod could be our #2 RB, #3 WR, kickoff return specialist and wildcat guy. Machine gun anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: I think Miller goes back to starting RG. He'll be close to his old form before the Dennison scheme weeded him out. Groy can start at C if need be, but ideally, he remains the C/G swing man. If somehow we Do manage a starting C in the draft or FA, and get Miller back in for Ducasse, or line would look alot better. And with Cordy's age/health, he might be best served as our RT. Starters would look really good like Dawkins/Incognito/Price,Groy, FA/ Miller/Glenn Or maybe they find their swing man in the draft or through FA. I thought Groy was pretty solid. He didn't have the savvy of Wood but was much more physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So if Jackson were available at 21-22 you would say "pass" at this point? I would love to have Jackson or Rudolph in the 2nd (or even Allen) but if they're there when we pick at 21-22, no guarantee they make it into the 2nd. I'm with you on TT, in fact one step further: keep until we have another QB who demonstrates they can play better Agree and it's a tough question hapless... I am always very reserved with QBs especially when I put my name behind them... its easy to like the talent in Jackson , and Allen and Rudolph but if I put my stamp on everybody that had talent I would lose my objectiveness. I really try to be harsh yet fair with every QB and I have no problem backing Darnold, Rosen , Baker as the Franchise can Rudolph and Jackson and Allen turn out good... absolutely... Rudolph throws a nice football but i I need to see more to give them my actual stamp of approval... I will do a QB Film Room on Jackson so maybe I will see him differently after I did the first 3 so fast and I've been swamped with other obligations but they will be up asap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: If the Bills do not trade up and sit on the clock at 21-22 they can make a non flashy, but a very Dividends paying pick if we sit at 21-22 and no QB is available I would run to the podium to select Billy Price C/OG from OSU He is freakishly strong and very explosive and looks like a 12+ year mauler Slotting Price at C , we can move Groy to RG and kill 2 birds with 1 stone we also can then flip Dawkins or Glenn to RT and we have a solid pair of bookend Tackles for years Glenn-Incognito-Price-Groy-Dawkins looks like a damn fine line to me Sounds Good, then we can grab DT Ron Payne with the other pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Obviously these QBs can develop and become better than what they are but right now I would only be comfortable taking Rosen, Darnold and Baker round 1... if jackson and Rudolph and even Allen fell to round 2 the value is would be good... they won't have as much pressure and can sit for a while and develop At this point I don't get rid of TT until we have another QB I threw up in my mouth just a little bit when I read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, Bills Pimpin' said: I threw up in my mouth just a little bit when I read this. Well it's not ideal buddy... I am over TT being our starting QB but if our only other option is Peterman... I'll take TT lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So if Jackson were available at 21-22 you would say "pass" at this point? I would love to have Jackson or Rudolph in the 2nd (or even Allen) but if they're there when we pick at 21-22, no guarantee they make it into the 2nd. I'm with you on TT, in fact one step further: keep until we have another QB who demonstrates they can play better I'd pass. I'm so sick of running QBs in the NFL as they usually get figured out and beaten with a few exceptions. As exciting they can be in college they tend to not do so well as a pocket passer. The Panthers just fired their OC in an attempt to develop Newton into more of a pocket passer. Russell Wilson is the only exception and even he needs a better line to protect him. Six QBs might go in the first round and I'm hoping Buffalo takes one of five that don't want to run all the time. Baker Mayfield is a runner too, although he uses his mobility to buy time to make plays like Wilson. Him I want! No to Jackson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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