Rapaport: Bills won’t cut Tyrod, fine with paying 6 mill bonus

[BuffaloHokie13]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

We do agree that the Bills will probably use a high draft pick on a qb in this draft. So on that issue we are in accord. That's not to say that there won't be a surprise free agent pickup (not Cousins) who might allow us to get a qb prospect in a lower round. 

 

As of yet the Bills haven't picked up Taylor's option. I'm not as sure as you are that they will so. I said it before and I will say it again: Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor. Don't assume that the Charger game was a disqualifying game for how Peterman is perceived by the staff. I strongly believe that the TT era is over with. You believe less so.  We shall see. 

 

side note: http://gogriffs.com/watch/?Archive=3356&type=Archive

There is no option to pick up. He is under contract, and due a $6M bonus on March 16th. I think what you mean to say is 'As of yet the Bills haven't cut Taylor to save $6M.'

[Rocky Landing]

7 minutes ago, JohnC said:

We do agree that the Bills will probably use a high draft pick on a qb in this draft. So on that issue we are in accord. That's not to say that there won't be a surprise free agent pickup (not Cousins) who might allow us to get a qb prospect in a lower round. 

 

As of yet the Bills haven't picked up Taylor's option. I'm not as sure as you are that they will so. I said it before and I will say it again: Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor. Don't assume that the Charger game was a disqualifying game for how Peterman is perceived by the staff. I strongly believe that the TT era is over with. You believe less so.  We shall see. 

 

side note: http://gogriffs.com/watch/?Archive=3356&type=Archive

I would agree that it is more likely that Peterman is on the Roster, come September, than Taylor. But, it seems more likely that if Peterman were on the roster, it would be as third string, a role that Taylor's contract precludes.

[without a drought]

22 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

The Bills last playoff win was  30 Dec  1995 that's what ridiculous. A better draft position while rebuilding instead of 8 or 9 wins won't hurt long term at this point.

And you have to go back to 1981 to find a playoff win with someone besides Jim Kelly or his backup Frank Reich at QB.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

I would be ok with a cheaper Fitz (just no long throws) , hope Peterman might start , sit a drafted QB . Depends on Vikings QBs also in free agency. 

 

I'm just ready to move on from Taylor, he might have a long career as a backup . 

 

As long as the drafted QB has good potential not worried about making the playoffs in 2018. 

 

...LOL...he's been in Buffalo quite a bit of late...house hunting???.........Peterman needs a helluva lot more work although he does show some promise with the speed/mental aspect of the game early on....forget all of the TT stats which are easily manipulated to prove one's point or disprove another......prefer to look at situational football.....the "run first" moniker is Asinine 101.....we have ONE stallion in the stable followed by Mr. Ed's...Shady goes down and then what Wilbur?......we need a balanced offense....the passing game needs to be a continual and viable threat WEEKLY as part of the game plan....is it now?.......down by 7 in the 4th with 2:28 left, are you confident that TT could execute the 2 minute drill to march this club down the field to tie this bad boy up (and don't tell me about Rodgers being < .500)?.........Belichick always talks about the "3 phases".....so if ST and D are clicking, but offense is stagnating, say the running game is shutdown, are you confident that TT could step up the passing game to bring home the "W"?.....if Buffalo was in the recent SB versus Eagles and the same shootout entailed with Foles leading charge, are you confident that TT could counter to keep us in the game?......

[JohnC]

40 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

There is no option to pick up. He is under contract, and due a $6M bonus on March 16th. I think what you mean to say is 'As of yet the Bills haven't cut Taylor to save $6M.'

That is correct. The terminology isn't precise but the point is clear. 

47 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

In the second half of that game (which I attended), the coaching staff made the change back to Taylor. That wasn't serendipity either. It was based on Peterman's performance. When Taylor played that second half, against the same defense playing at the same intensity, the difference was remarkable. The Bills looked like two deferent teams. 

 

The Bills are not going to cut Taylor because they have Peterman on the roster. Peterman is not a viable starting QB.

How did the six year veteran look in the playoff game with Jacksonville? 

[ALF]

59 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

 

 

The Bills are not going to cut Taylor because they have Peterman on the roster. Peterman is not a viable starting QB.

 

If they cut or trade Taylor the Bills will have to sign another bridge QB . Just Hoping Peterman will make progress does not make him the starting QB

 

The theory is they will draft a QB with future starting potential or a Viking FA that can start.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

That would lead 6 million in dead money when they cut him.  3 more this year and 3 next.   

[ColoradoBills]

This "leaked " information about TT might also have a use in signing non QB FA's.

I would imagine it would be hard to attract FA's with nobody under contract except Peter-Man.

 

I still believe that TT will not taking a snap as a Buffalo Bill in the 2018 regular season.

 

I do like how Beane has everyone guessing!

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, JohnC said:

That is correct. The terminology isn't precise but the point is clear. 

How did the six year veteran look in the playoff game with Jacksonville? 

Better than Peterman.

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, JohnC said:

You pointed out that replacing Taylor with Peterman sounds ridiculous.

 

I think the idea of starting Nasty Nate over Hotrod sounds as ridiculous as a cross between a skit by Soupy Sales and a song by Spike Jones. 

[CommonCents]

43 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I think the idea of starting Nasty Nate over Hotrod sounds as ridiculous as a cross between a skit by Soupy Sales and a song by Spike Jones. 

A guy who continually refers to Tyrod as Hotrod shouldn't start a conversation about what sounds ridiculous. 

[JPP]

Bills are going to eat the 6 mill bonus and wait for trade offers from other teams (likely they will get something).....at that point it costs 10 mill i believe to take him which will happen......I can see him going to Denver or even possibly cleveland/arizona.......than hopefully we can start new threads and lam-blast our new QB.......byw i seriously doubt and hope that they dont put peterman as our starter....

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I think the idea of starting Nasty Nate over Hotrod sounds as ridiculous as a cross between a skit by Soupy Sales and a song by Spike Jones. 

The youngsters on this board don't have a clue what your talking about. 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

The youngsters on this board don't have a clue what your talking about. 

 

I know 

[transplantbillsfan]

https://sports.yahoo.com/2018-starting-quarterbacks-ranked-apy-041938716.html

The 2018 starting quarterbacks, ranked by APY

 

by Mike Florio

 

21. Tyrod Taylor: $15.25 million. Whether he plays for the Bills or someone else, it’s a pretty good deal.

[Buffalo Ballin]

I don't think Bills want to pay Tyrod his $6 million bonus. Right now, I would be aggressively looking for agreements to deal him; any pick. Anything.

[Punching Bag]

On 2/22/2018 at 10:12 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I'll bet you 1,000 $ right now that Taylor never wins a super bowl. 

Does that count if he wins it like Rob Johnson?

[BADOLBILZ]

35 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Does that count if he wins it like Rob Johnson?

 

 

Tyrod Taylor already won a SB as Flacco's backup.

On 2/25/2018 at 12:34 PM, JohnC said:

 

 

 

You've lost your mind with your bizarre Tyrophobia.

 

Signing Vontae Davis to a one year deal doesn't necessarily mean A LOT........but it does indicate they probably aren't interested in going 2-14 with Nate Peterman at QB so that you don't get nauseous when Tyrod converts a third down with his legs.

[LA Grant]

On 2/25/2018 at 2:14 PM, reddogblitz said:

 

I think the idea of starting Nasty Nate over Hotrod sounds as ridiculous as a cross between a skit by Soupy Sales and a song by Spike Jones. 

 

lol this sounds like a Dennis Miller joke from when he did Monday Night Football, just need to add "babe" on the end.

Edited February 27, 2018 by LA Grant

[richardb1952]

On 2/23/2018 at 3:57 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

Sounds like Joe Thomas wants Tyrod in Cleveland:

 

http://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/joe-thomas-says-cleveland-browns-chances-of-landing-kirk-cousins-are-out-the-window/95-522587740

 

Here is a somewhat interesting idea.  Trade TT to Browns for Kizer.  WHAT?

Kizer was a 2nd round pick last year and while he didn't have a great year, he was a rookie.

6' 4", 230 lbs, Strong arm, capable runner.  Lots of potential.  I do not know how he compares to this years QB crop but I am sure others on this forum can offer expertise.  Bills would still need a bridge QB but Maybe that would be a way to go and use the draft capital to build the foundation for a  contending team for years to come.  

[racketmaster]

Could keeping Tyrod as the bridge qb also make sense from the compensatory pick formula side of things? I mean it should help in that the Bills would not have to sign another free agent veteran qb this year and then we would lose Tyrod next year in free agency. Beane wants to play the comp system better than we have in the past and this may be one of those smart moves to help tilt the comp system in our favor. 

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, richardb1952 said:

 

Here is a somewhat interesting idea.  Trade TT to Browns for Kizer.  WHAT?

Kizer was a 2nd round pick last year and while he didn't have a great year, he was a rookie.

6' 4", 230 lbs, Strong arm, capable runner.  Lots of potential.  I do not know how he compares to this years QB crop but I am sure others on this forum can offer expertise.  Bills would still need a bridge QB but Maybe that would be a way to go and use the draft capital to build the foundation for a  contending team for years to come.  

Obviously not straight up but I don’t hate the idea of Kizer in the fold. Kizer though would require Cousins (or maybe Keenum) to me though. He can be the young guy that maybe develops behind the vet. He’s not a substitute for a draft pick though. 

 

If the Bills sign Keenum (for example), I’m not opposed to Tyrod and a 5th for Kizer and a 3rd (or something like that). I wouldn’t love the situation but it would make sense for both teams. I still prefer the trade up for a top guy.

[Buffalo Bills Detective]

1 hour ago, richardb1952 said:

 

Here is a somewhat interesting idea.  Trade TT to Browns for Kizer.  WHAT?

Kizer was a 2nd round pick last year and while he didn't have a great year, he was a rookie.

6' 4", 230 lbs, Strong arm, capable runner.  Lots of potential.  I do not know how he compares to this years QB crop but I am sure others on this forum can offer expertise.  Bills would still need a bridge QB but Maybe that would be a way to go and use the draft capital to build the foundation for a  contending team for years to come.  

 

[xRUSHx]

IMO that LA game showed McD lost the team for that game because they stood behind Tyrod and not the coaches choice to change. The same will happen when McD trys again to put a new 1st round rookie in over Tyrod. Vets stick together, Tyrod has a bunch of friends on this team. He needs to go for the greater good of our rookie QBs.

Edited February 27, 2018 by xRUSHx

[richardb1952]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Obviously not straight up but I don’t hate the idea of Kizer in the fold. Kizer though would require Cousins (or maybe Keenum) to me though. He can be the young guy that maybe develops behind the vet. He’s not a substitute for a draft pick though. 

 

If the Bills sign Keenum (for example), I’m not opposed to Tyrod and a 5th for Kizer and a 3rd (or something like that). I wouldn’t love the situation but it would make sense for both teams. I still prefer the trade up for a top guy.

 

Kizer was considered to be the 4th best QB in 2017 Class partly based on only 2 years experience, and some other factors.  He should not have been the starter for Browns last year, but he became the starter because the alternatives were pretty abysmal.  It obviously depends on if the Bills see any potential in him to be a possible franchise QB in the future.  If the Bills were to trade TT for Kizer, the Bills would be getting him on a rookie contract, he already has NFL experience so they have film in which to evaluate him.  Browns would be getting a seasoned starter in TT while the QB they draft could be learning.

Some draft analysts compared Kizer to Rothlesberger.  I don't know that the Bills would see him that way.  

I don't see Cousins coming to Bills and I don't know that Keenum would be interested in a 2 - 3 year contract.  One way or the other, the Bills still need a Vet starter.  Kizer, Peterman, a Transitional vet.  They can all compete in Training Camp and may the best QB win.

I just see Kizer as an interesting alternative to moving up in the draft to grab a QB that will require a lot of draft capital.  I also think Kizer could be viewed as maybe the fifth QB in this upcoming draft if he had come out this year.  He does have some very interesting upside.

BTW...That was a funny clip from Buffalo Bills Detective.  

[TheFunPolice]

put yourself in another GM's shoes...

 

IF you are interested in Tyrod why would you want to give up an asset AND be stuck with the contract the Bills negotiated with him when you know he'll be free eventually?

 

You can sign him to your own deal and keep your draft pick. There isn't a team out there that NEEDS him that badly. Plenty might be interested at a low price that Tyrod is not going to like. That's essentially what happened last year. 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, richardb1952 said:

 

Kizer was considered to be the 4th best QB in 2017 Class partly based on only 2 years experience, and some other factors.  He should not have been the starter for Browns last year, but he became the starter because the alternatives were pretty abysmal.  It obviously depends on if the Bills see any potential in him to be a possible franchise QB in the future.  If the Bills were to trade TT for Kizer, the Bills would be getting him on a rookie contract, he already has NFL experience so they have film in which to evaluate him.  Browns would be getting a seasoned starter in TT while the QB they draft could be learning.

Some draft analysts compared Kizer to Rothlesberger.  I don't know that the Bills would see him that way.  

I don't see Cousins coming to Bills and I don't know that Keenum would be interested in a 2 - 3 year contract.  One way or the other, the Bills still need a Vet starter.  Kizer, Peterman, a Transitional vet.  They can all compete in Training Camp and may the best QB win.

I just see Kizer as an interesting alternative to moving up in the draft to grab a QB that will require a lot of draft capital.  I also think Kizer could be viewed as maybe the fifth QB in this upcoming draft if he had come out this year.  He does have some very interesting upside.

BTW...That was a funny clip from Buffalo Bills Detective.  

I think Kizer would be no higher than a 3rd in this draft (especially after an uneasy rookie year). I like his chances of developing more than Peterman’s but I’m certainly not ready to make him the “next guy.” 

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

IMO that LA game showed McD lost the team for that game because they stood behind Tyrod and not the coaches choice to change. The same will happen when McD trys again to put a new 1st round rookie in over Tyrod. Vets stick together, Tyrod has a bunch of friends on this team. He needs to go for the greater good of our rookie QBs.

You are high.

[richardb1952]

30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think Kizer would be no higher than a 3rd in this draft (especially after an uneasy rookie year). I like his chances of developing more than Peterman’s but I’m certainly not ready to make him the “next guy.” 

 

I agree.  Doubt anyone in this draft class could have helped the Browns last year, and I certainly wouldn't crown kizer as "the guy".  But if Browns, and Giants decide to go QB, Bills might want to evaluate whether using a lot of draft capital to get the 3rd best QB this year has more upside than someone like Kizer.  Of course the big challenge here is that FA starts before the draft, and no one really knows what the Browns and Giants are planning.  Just to be clear, I have no preference one way or the other regarding Kizer.  I was just thinking that Browns might be interested in trading Kizer if they decide to take a QB early and would be interested in a one year option on a bridge QB like TT.  I do think someone like daboll might be interested in a QB like Kizer who has a strong arm, can run and is not afraid to stand in the pocket to deliver a pass.  

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

You are high.

 

https://www.thefootballfeed.com/nfl-news/he-literally-didn-t-block-me-chargers-bosa-mic-d-up-vs-bills

 

[Rocky Landing]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

https://www.thefootballfeed.com/nfl-news/he-literally-didn-t-block-me-chargers-bosa-mic-d-up-vs-bills

 

Yeah, that's not the first time Mills has sucked.

 

If you're suggesting that Mills, or any other player, intentionally threw the first half of that game because of loyalty to Tyrod, or some other similar conspiracy theory, you're as high as xRushx.

 

The Bills were a rudderless ship with Peterman at the helm. I'm sure, from your other posts, that you'd love to put that on Tyrod (or McD, or the entire rest of the team, perhaps). I don't. I put it on Peterman. They looked like a different team in the second half.

Edited February 27, 2018 by Rocky Landing

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Yeah, that's not the first time Mills has sucked.

 

If you're suggesting that Mills, or any other player, intentionally threw the first half of that game because of loyalty to Tyrod, or some other similar conspiracy theory, you're as high as xRushx.

 

The Bills were a rudderless ship with Peterman at the helm. I'm sure, from your other posts, that you'd love to put that on Tyrod (or McD, or the entire rest of the team, perhaps). I don't. I put it on Peterman. They looked like a different team in the second half.

 

It's not a suggestion as much as it is calling out the obvious.

 

Flutie 2.0 did his job dividing the locker room and it showed in that Chargers game.

 

[Stank_Nasty]

9 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Yeah, that's not the first time Mills has sucked.

 

If you're suggesting that Mills, or any other player, intentionally threw the first half of that game because of loyalty to Tyrod, or some other similar conspiracy theory, you're as high as xRushx.

 

The Bills were a rudderless ship with Peterman at the helm. I'm sure, from your other posts, that you'd love to put that on Tyrod (or McD, or the entire rest of the team, perhaps). I don't. I put it on Peterman. They looked like a different team in the second half.

gug and rush have both come out and stated before they thought the bills line threw that game...... its honestly just dumb.

[xRUSHx]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

gug and rush have both come out and stated before they thought the bills line threw that game...... its honestly just dumb.

And the Tyrod excuses continue

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

And the Tyrod excuses continue

what the hell does what I said have to do with tyrod or how is it an excuse? get a grip man. you've lost it.

 

can somebody seriously be this ignorant? its honestly impressive!

Edited February 27, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[Rocky Landing]

Just now, xRUSHx said:

And the Tyrod excuses continue

This is amazing. 

 

We're just making excuses for Taylor in that first half.

In which he didn't play.

And Peterman played historically bad football.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

what the hell does what I said have to do with tyrod or how is it an excuse? get a grip man. you've lost it.

 

can somebody seriously be this ignorant? its honestly impressive!

I love that “the offensive line intentionally threw the 1st half” isn’t an excuse. It is one of the most ridiculous “justifications” that I have ever seen on this board. Ha ha, it MAY be dumber than Mario for Skelton. 

[xRUSHx]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

what the hell does what I said have to do with tyrod or how is it an excuse? get a grip man. you've lost it.

 

can somebody seriously be this ignorant? its honestly impressive!

The talk was about how the team threw the game to support Tyrod over Peterman. You called it dumb to suggest the team wouldn't do that even though there is evidence of different. Now you call me ignorant, does calling names make you feel powerful? Pretty impressive how the COT resorts to name calling all the time whenever they do not like a conversation against there saviour.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

what the hell does what I said have to do with tyrod or how is it an excuse? get a grip man. you've lost it.

 

can somebody seriously be this ignorant? its honestly impressive!

 

 

you're the entertaining one here. thin skinned and always seems upset by the anti taylor crowd.

 

popcorn can never run out with the entertainment you provide.

 

I see blood pressure meds in your future unless of course you already take it.

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, xRUSHx said:

The talk was about how the team threw the game to support Tyrod over Peterman. You called it dumb to suggest the team wouldn't do that even though there is evidence of different. Now you call me ignorant, does calling names make you feel powerful? Pretty impressive how the COT resorts to name calling all the time whenever they do not like a conversation against there saviour.

dude..... how exactly does saying the team didn't throw that game = an excuse for tyrod? that literally makes no sense.