Billschinatown Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: So did Tyrod and Ducasse technically, then. Do you think Tyrod and Ducassee contributed as much as Shady? Think it over and come up with a better analysis of the statement you're trying to interpret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Shady was a big part of the offense. More than the RB passing the ball when he aborted a called play. But I get it. Some people are still grieving over the loss of their precious drought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: OK, great. They ended the drought, so should Taylor be on the wall? Jordan Poyer? Richie Incognito? Micha Hyde? They all played as important as a role as McCoy. Where do you draw the line? If McCoy goes on the Wall, you also need to put these guys on the wall. CJ Spiller Willis McGahee Travis Henry All who had more yards as a Bill than McCoy currently has. Now if McCoy goes on to have another 3 1,000 yard years in buffalo then maybe. This is the same argument as: The Bills QB's have sucked for so long that Taylor looks good. Just because the Bills were complete S*** in the past does not mean we need to jump to conclusions. As a Bill: Travis Henry: 3,849 yards rushing, 691 yards receiving, (4,540 total yards), 29 offensive TDs Willis McGahee: 3,365 yards rushing, 503 yards receiving, (3,868 total yards), 24 offensive TDs CJ Spiller: 3,321 yards rushing, 885 yards receiving, (4,206 total yards), 17 offensive TDs LeSean McCoy: 3,300 yards rushing, 1,096 yards receiving, (4,396 total yards), 27 offensive TDs Barring a serious injury or trade, he'll be above all of them by mid-season next year in rushing alone. He's only 29 and has 2 more years on his contract. Add one more year onto that and he'll have played as many seasons in Buffalo as Philadelphia. Projection, I know, but possible. No one is arguing any of those Bills you mentioned (especially the 2 safeties being here only 1 year) should go on the Wall. When people think of the end of the drought they are definitely going to remember him salting away the Colts game. Not saying he's there now, but I do think he will be able to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I think when it’s all said and done he’ll be up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 A few more years and we can talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Helpmenow said: Butch Byrd folks look him up and tell me why he isnt I have no clue either. He changed the way the position was played. Dynamic playmaker/returner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 56 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: But I get it. Some people are still grieving over the loss of their precious drought. Yes, I'm so sad/mad the drought is over. In fact i hope they go on another one. McCoy has been very good for the Bills, but hes been just that Very good. The wall is for great to franchise changing. It is not the "Wall of Very good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He is probably closest to an HOF-worthy player the Bills have or have had in a long time. Marshawn Lynch and Jason Peters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, CountDorkula said: OK, great. They ended the drought, so should Taylor be on the wall? Jordan Poyer? Richie Incognito? Micha Hyde? They all played as important as a role as McCoy. Where do you draw the line? If McCoy goes on the Wall, you also need to put these guys on the wall. CJ Spiller Willis McGahee Travis Henry All who had more yards as a Bill than McCoy currently has. Now if McCoy goes on to have another 3 1,000 yard years in buffalo then maybe. This is the same argument as: The Bills QB's have sucked for so long that Taylor looks good. Just because the Bills were complete S*** in the past does not mean we need to jump to conclusions. Why is Phil Hansen on the Wall then? Or Jim Richter? Neither was ever one of the best players at their position. I played in as many Pro Bowls as Hansen. It’s a combination of longevity and impact. McCoy is light on longevity but way ahead of some WOF players in terms of impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Marshawn Lynch and Jason Peters. that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 He'll be good enough for the HOF but not the Bills WOF? He goes up on Bills WOF for fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Why is Phil Hansen on the Wall then? Or Jim Richter? Neither was ever one of the best players at their position. I played in as many Pro Bowls as Hansen. It’s a combination of longevity and impact. McCoy is light on longevity but way ahead of some WOF players in terms of impact. I have no idea why they are, don't ask me that. I don't think they should be. McCoy may end up in the HOF because of his career, but with the Bills, I don't wan't him on the wall, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Yes, I'm so sad/mad the drought is over. In fact i hope they go on another one. McCoy has been very good for the Bills, but hes been just that Very good. The wall is for great to franchise changing. It is not the "Wall of Very good" Is it? I honestly don’t know because lots of talk of Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams, and Eric Wood going up someday. Imo shady is a better player overall than any of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 yes , first it's fred's turn, then Mr wood then Shady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Is it? I honestly don’t know because lots of talk of Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams, and Eric Wood going up someday. Imo shady is a better player overall than any of them. That's great for those talking, but I don't believe any should be. You muddy the waters by putting people up their that shouldn't be and it loses its "honor". Knowing Pegula though Jackson and Williams will both be up there because "Nostalgia" Nostalgia doesn't win you jack S()*. Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said: yes , first it's fred's turn, then Mr wood then Shady What did Eric Wood do to deserve being on the wall? Other than have an unfortunate injury that cut his career short. Should Aaron Williams go on the wall then too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said: yes , first it's fred's turn, then Mr wood then Shady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 He still has a way to go. He can be on the wall some day, but the rest of his career as a Bill still matters. If he has a career ending injury on the first play of next year, I don't think he goes on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I think Jackson goes up on the wall. He's got better overall numbers as a Bill than Henry, McGahee, Spiller, and McCoy, although it took him way longer to get them. But longevity as a Bill is a factor I think. Plus, and I do think this should play into it, he's one of the all-time fan favorite Bills players. After all, it's about the fans at the end of the day. I think Moorman should go on, too. I feel like for both, if I were at a game, looked over, and saw their names up there, it would feel right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I think Jackson goes up on the wall. He's got better overall numbers as a Bill than Henry, McGahee, Spiller, and McCoy, although it took him way longer to get them. But longevity as a Bill is a factor I think. Plus, and I do think this should play into it, he's one of the all-time fan favorite Bills players. After all, it's about the fans at the end of the day. I think Moorman should go on, too. I feel like for both, if I were at a game, looked over, and saw their names up there, it would feel right. I agree with this with the Wall. It doesn’t need to be credible with anyone outside the organization or the fan base imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: That's great for those talking, but I don't believe any should be. You muddy the waters by putting people up their that shouldn't be and it loses its "honor". Knowing Pegula though Jackson and Williams will both be up there because "Nostalgia" Nostalgia doesn't win you jack S()*. What did Eric Wood do to deserve being on the wall? Other than have an unfortunate injury that cut his career short. Should Aaron Williams go on the wall then too? It'a all about the hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I don’t see he’s even surpassed fjax’s wall worthiness and I don’t think Fred should be there btw. He’s not yet even passed cj spiller on Bills all time rushing list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 No one goes up until Kyle Orton gets his due respect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Helpmenow said: Butch Byrd folks look him up and tell me why he isnt And yet Booker and Robert James are up there. I would suggest Cornelius Bennett and Ruben Brown before anyone from 2000 and up. Yeah I could see Kyle Williams, maybe FJ For a club that hasn't done anything in 17 years, fans think there are a lot of guys to go up on the wall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I agree with this with the Wall. It doesn’t need to be credible with anyone outside the organization or the fan base imo. Well then its settled. Let's go find the most liked Bills players and get them on the wall. Mike Jasper is my vote, I like that guy, he was awesome, he tried so hard, I don't care what kind of career he had. Kyle Orton, That gun slinging whiskey drinking SOB, He was awesome, put him up. Sam Adams, on the wall! Takeo Spikes On the wall! London Fletcher on the wall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Well then its settled. Let's go find the most liked Bills players and get them on the wall. Mike Jasper is my vote, I like that guy, he was awesome, he tried so hard, I don't care what kind of career he had. Kyle Orton, That gun slinging whiskey drinking SOB, He was awesome, put him up. Sam Adams, on the wall! Takeo Spikes On the wall! London Fletcher on the wall! That is a great list. Loved all of those guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, CountDorkula said: 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Why is Phil Hansen on the Wall then? Or Jim Richter? Neither was ever one of the best players at their position. I played in as many Pro Bowls as Hansen. It’s a combination of longevity and impact. McCoy is light on longevity but way ahead of some WOF players in terms of impact. I have no idea why they are, don't ask me that. I don't think they should be. McCoy may end up in the HOF because of his career, but with the Bills, I don't wan't him on the wall, yet. Contrary to many people Hansen (11 seasons) and Richter (14 seasons) were unsung heroes. They may not of grabbed a lot of headlines but they contributed to the success of the team. 26 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: No one goes up until Kyle Orton gets his due respect. then the wall will remain as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris from Rochester Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I said yes, however I would like to see another 2-3 solid years from him in a Bills uniform and a C on his jersey to make me feel better about it. I love how he has embraced the community after not wanting to come here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 If he retires with over 5000 rushing yards here absolutely... He just ran us to the playoffs for the first time in 17 years. He will be a Eagle/Bill in the HoF so why can't he be on our WoF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, Gugny said: That is a great list. Loved all of those guys. He forgot Garrison Sanborn, obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He forgot Garrison Sanborn, obviously His inclusion goes without saying. I'll give the Bills until 2025 to put him up there. If not, then I am done with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Yes. Assuming he tags on 2 more equivalent seasons. He has been, and still is, our entire offense. And even if we bring in a new QB, he'll still need to rely on Shady. He's a big star in the league and reps the Bills well. He will deserve to be up on the wall when it's all said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If he retires with over 5000 rushing yards here absolutely... He just ran us to the playoffs for the first time in 17 years. He will be a Eagle/Bill in the HoF so why can't he be on our WoF Because currently the majority of his career and success was spent in Philly, and He is still known for his days as an Eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, CountDorkula said: Because currently the majority of his career and success was spent in Philly, and He is still known for his days as an Eagle. If he plays 2 more years here... he would have spent 5 years here and 6 in Philly... not too mention getting 10k here and probably 12 k... he is on the right track ... he is a Bill now, not an Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, CountDorkula said: I have no idea why they are, don't ask me that. I don't think they should be. McCoy may end up in the HOF because of his career, but with the Bills, I don't wan't him on the wall, yet. The precedent is set though. Those guys are already up there so it is fair to ask “why not Shady if Richter?” The WOF criteria is not cleary defined but I can EASILY make the argument that Shady has already been more important to the franchise than those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Original Byrd Man said: I have no clue either. He changed the way the position was played. Dynamic playmaker/returner. For the past ten years i’ve Been banging his name and especially on here with deaf ears. The young fan base only goes back to the jim Kelly years 1 hour ago, MarkyMannn said: And yet Booker and Robert James are up there. I would suggest Cornelius Bennett and Ruben Brown before anyone from 2000 and up. Yeah I could see Kyle Williams, maybe FJ For a club that hasn't done anything in 17 years, fans think there are a lot of guys to go up on the wall Bob James was the best, booker wasn’t in butch’s league, politics for booker in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Contrary to many people Hansen (11 seasons) and Richter (14 seasons) were unsung heroes. They may not of grabbed a lot of headlines but they contributed to the success of the team. then the wall will remain as it is Unsung heroes don’t go on the WOF!! They were both “solid” NFL players. Those guys don’t deserve to be immortalized. You have to do extraordinary things to earn that honor. Being a quality player on a good team isn’t criteria to be honored forever. Edited February 2, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, kdiggz said: they were playing against David Fales. if they didn't win they would HAVE CONTINUED TO be the laughing stock of the league if all eyes were on that game Fixed that for you. The Bills historically choked in those games, they did not this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Not a long enough tenure for me yet. After a couple more years I could get in board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 47 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I don’t see he’s even surpassed fjax’s wall worthiness and I don’t think Fred should be there btw. He’s not yet even passed cj spiller on Bills all time rushing list. Spiller has 21 more yards rushing right now. McCoy has more total offensive yardage and TDs than Spiller. 30 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Well then its settled. Let's go find the most liked Bills players and get them on the wall. Mike Jasper is my vote, I like that guy, he was awesome, he tried so hard, I don't care what kind of career he had. Kyle Orton, That gun slinging whiskey drinking SOB, He was awesome, put him up. Sam Adams, on the wall! Takeo Spikes On the wall! London Fletcher on the wall! Most-liked is a factor. Longevity is another (Orton 2014; Adams 2003-2005; Spikes 2003-2006; Fletcher 2002-2006). So is performance. I don't think anyone is arguing McCoy goes on the Wall if his career ended today. But a reasonable projection over 2-3 more years and he very well could be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 McCoy has yet to have a "WOW" type of season in his 3 years with us. I don't believe there is any official criteria for making the WOF but I think he needs at least another two solid seasons of production with us like he has had in his first three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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