billieve420 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) I am not giving up anything significant for Alex smith who is about a lateral move as there is. If he becomes a cap casualty then yes I would take a look. He would be perfect on a veteran team with a good defense like the Broncos. I wouldn’t mind going after the Cincy backup QB while drafting one early as well and then sorting it all out in training camp. Edited January 7, 2018 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Draft one please. Don’t go looking at other team’s backups or aging vets. We will have to move up to do that. Not sure of the cost. There are a lot of teams ahead of us needing a QB. History says 1-2 will work out. Not many years 3+ QB's have made an impact in their first few years. Cleveland Denver NY Jets Arizona They ALL NEED A QB now and will draft one. NY Giants Miami Cindy Washington Chargers They are in the market and might pull the trigger early. To get the #5 QB we would need to trade up. Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Allen, Mayfield, Rudolph and Finley, If one of these guys is left, is he really the franchise? Is he worth losing a 1st or 2nd for Who drops to #21. Would you bank the 2018 season on him? I say draft whoever falls or trade up if you absolutely believe this is your franchise QB. Then pick up a Vet who will throw downfield. As much as I want to blame Dennison, TT leaves plays all over the field. His avg time of release is 3.1 seconds. (dead last in the NFL) No coordinator can appear competent with that. I'd love Cousins, but he is too costly and will set the team back. Smith and Keenum seem to be the most viable options. If McCarron or Chase Daniel become available, they might be worth a shot. We are not in a great position to find our franchise QB in this draft, unless we pull a Texan sized move or Chief move and trade the farm to move up to the 4 spot. 3 or 4 QB's could go in the top 10 in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I think trading for Smith or sign him if he is released. I think the trade would work for a 5th round pick. The Chiefs have his replacement that they will want to get on the field. Smith is under contract through 2018 and would be a good mentor if the Bills draft a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I know a lot of people here are high on Alex Smith but I just don't see it. Smith's numbers in KC when he had less offensive weapons are very similar to what Tyrod put up these past 3 seasons. They counted on a great defense and a QB who didn't turn the ball over to win games. The one good offensive year he had was the 5th year in an offensive system under a great offensive coach and with 3 great offensive weapons. Put Smith around this level of offensive talent, learning a new system, and with this OC and I think the results are pretty much the same as Tyrod. There is obviously a lot you don't see if you still support Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Shotgunner said: This is what seems to be the popular choice. I would be ok with that depending on what we give up. He threw for 4000 yards and only had I think one more INT than Taylor. One might note that his record as a playoff QB is 2-5, 1-4 with KC. They have none of them been blowouts, they have all been winnable games. But if we're looking for a solution at QB who can find an extra gear when needed, Alex Smith is perhaps not the man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 58 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Tyrod's 'weapons' did not distinguish themselves this season. How could they when they had crap for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, mjd1001 said: I don't hate Taylor..but he is what he is...an average to slightly below average starting QB. Can you win some games with him...maybe a playoff game? Sure, but to be a true superbowl contender, you need better. I'll take any new guys because I know what I have now is not good enough. The term is game manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: We do not any 'Dynamic Offensive Weapons', other than Shady. That being said, if Bills fans want to see Tyrod cut, than take Peterman along with him. The guy is a joke..... Right on! Benjamin might be, but he has been on and off the field, no time to build rapport and probably barely to learn the offense. One need only compare and contrast other teams WR to ours watching games to say, yes TT is a problem but we aren't helping him out any. I found Romo's commentary very interesting. I thought he was very fair. He called out our receivers/backs for missing what he said were "good throws" by TT. He also called out TT for missing open guys or hesitating to pull the trigger. It was interesting to have that perspective - both sides of the pass game are problems right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: Disagree. After #87 went down for the 'Chefs', the offense collapsed, and their "D" couldn't stop anyone..Alex Jones, is a brittle, one dimensional starter, and would be a lateral move from Tyrod. And his nut-bag right wing radio show sucks, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: One might note that his record as a playoff QB is 2-5, 1-4 with KC. They have none of them been blowouts, they have all been winnable games. But if we're looking for a solution at QB who can find an extra gear when needed, Alex Smith is perhaps not the man. No thanks on the retreads. Franchise QBs simply do not become FAs or are very rarely traded. History is littered with more Rob Johnsons & Matt Cassels than Favres and possibly Garappolos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I mentioned this in the game thread as well but Jeff Reinbold the CFL coach who is a regular on UK NFL TV coverage said he doesn't expect Tyrod back in Buffalo next year because he spoke to Rob (as in Ryan) when he did a stint for 3 weeks as a guest analyst on UK TV earlier in the season and he said the desire to move on from Tyrod comes from he Pegulas and goes above the Head Coach. I alluded earlier in the season to comments Rob made on air during his stint here when he said around the Chargers game "the folks in the building are always trying to get rid of Tyrod and I don't know why." I speculated at the time that given the whole front office the Ryans worked with had been cleared out that he had to be referring to ownership. Reinbold's comments today confirm that is exactly who Rob Ryan meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Bangarang said: Draft one please. Don’t go looking at other team’s backups or aging vets. Draft one, and sign Alex Smith to school him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Thank god the Taylor era is over! He isn’t horrible but he can’t win it all, that’s why you play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Draft one, and sign Alex Smith to school him. Pretty reasonable and simple answer. also, do people want TT or Alex teaches a 1st round draft pick how to read defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I mentioned this in the game thread as well but Jeff Reinbold the CFL coach who is a regular on UK NFL TV coverage said he doesn't expect Tyrod back in Buffalo next year because he spoke to Rob (as in Ryan) when he did a stint for 3 weeks as a guest analyst on UK TV earlier in the season and he said the desire to move on from Tyrod comes from he Pegulas and goes above the Head Coach. I alluded earlier in the season to comments Rob made on air during his stint here when he said around the Chargers game "the folks in the building are always trying to get rid of Tyrod and I don't know why." I speculated at the time that given the whole front office the Ryans worked with had been cleared out that he had to be referring to ownership. Reinbold's comments today confirm that is exactly who Rob Ryan meant. Good, so TPegs is done with Tyrod also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Draft one, and sign Alex Smith to school him. Smith won’t be a free agent for that to happen 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I mentioned this in the game thread as well but Jeff Reinbold the CFL coach who is a regular on UK NFL TV coverage said he doesn't expect Tyrod back in Buffalo next year because he spoke to Rob (as in Ryan) when he did a stint for 3 weeks as a guest analyst on UK TV earlier in the season and he said the desire to move on from Tyrod comes from he Pegulas and goes above the Head Coach. I alluded earlier in the season to comments Rob made on air during his stint here when he said around the Chargers game "the folks in the building are always trying to get rid of Tyrod and I don't know why." I speculated at the time that given the whole front office the Ryans worked with had been cleared out that he had to be referring to ownership. Reinbold's comments today confirm that is exactly who Rob Ryan meant. I really don’t want ownership getting involved in personnel decisions like this. Edited January 8, 2018 by Bangarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: I really don’t want ownership getting involved in personnel decisions like this. Nor me. While I think they are right on Tyrod the starting QB should not be their decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 If we don't move on from Taylor, we peaked on 1/7/2018. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nor me. While I think they are right on Tyrod the starting QB should not be their decision. I think they are right in wanting to move on but that’s why you hire pro personnel guys to make that decision 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romie Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 TT Will always have a special place in our heart for breaking the drought. But he missed throws today that could have won the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 The problem with TT all season was that he didn't improve on any of his positives from the last 2 years. He still was extremely limited in his passing game, could not see open guys, checked down and threw passes way too short. In addition his touch on deep passes was mediocre to poor. But the big problem wasn't all those things. The big problem is that TT lost his elusiveness and running ability in key situations this year. Maybe I am imagining this but TT looked older, slower and seemed to take way more sacks (esp in really bad situations). There were some glaringly bad examples of this today. About the only positive of TT at this point is he throws very few INTs and if the D can score points or give him a short field he can win you games. Other than that the TT era should be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Tyrod has to go. McD knows this and that's why he started Peterman against LA. We made the playoffs with Tyrod but you see today's result with him. He is not even good enough for a backup. Draft one and get FA veteran if able. Keep Peterman to see how he progresses, cut him if still bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Today Sums up TT perfectly. You are down a touchdown and couldn't do shyt. Just complete booty. I don't want to hear no one was open and he needs better WR either he missed several open receivers. He is just garbage and the defense did their job. Just complete garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, die hard bills fan said: Tyrod has to go. McD knows this and that's why he started Peterman against LA. We made the playoffs with Tyrod but you see today's result with him. He is not even good enough for a backup. Draft one and get FA veteran if able. Keep Peterman to see how he progresses, cut him if still bad. yep. What little chance we had of trading TT went down the drain today too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, RobH063 said: A 56 yard passing game, a 65 yard passing game, three 3 point total point performances and there's still people that support Taylor? Unbelievable! But but but he doesn't turn the ball over 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I know a lot of people here are high on Alex Smith but I just don't see it. Smith's numbers in KC when he had less offensive weapons are very similar to what Tyrod put up these past 3 seasons. They counted on a great defense and a QB who didn't turn the ball over to win games. The one good offensive year he had was the 5th year in an offensive system under a great offensive coach and with 3 great offensive weapons. Put Smith around this level of offensive talent, learning a new system, and with this OC and I think the results are pretty much the same as Tyrod. Are the munchies kicking in yet ??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: yep. What little chance we had of trading TT went down the drain today too. Yeah, there never was any GM stupid enough to trade for Tyrod. Tyrod was just another in a long line of stupid decisions by Rex. He probably end up as a backup somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Smith won’t be a free agent for that to happen KC is moving on to Mahomes. They will deal Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 the key to this what is your rebuilding strategy. TT is not gonna be the QB to deliver an SB win (or even a berth) to this team next year and likely ever. However, trading the draft picks which will be necessary to move up in the 2018 draft is also not gonna deliver a rookie QB with enough talent to win in 2018 (even Peyton Manning went 3-13 his first year and a rookie SB winner like Rothnsb was the last piece in having a winning SB team around him. The Bills ain't there yet. The key is to keep our 4 draft picks in the 1st two rounds and build out this team. The QB should be someone who keeps this team competing next year. Either Tyrod (quite frankly if Shady wants him) or another placeholder who keeps this team in the playoff chase is fine tll we luckout next post-season or we are truly a player away in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, chef4131 said: based on todays performance by TT I believe it will be easy for the Bills to move on from him, of course we need to find someone This is true but finding a suitable replacement will be the issue. As much as I don't like him I think Bradford would be the best option as far as cost and performance go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: This is true but finding a suitable replacement will be the issue. As much as I don't like him I think Bradford would be the best option as far as cost and performance go. 2700 yards and 14TDs really hard replace???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: BM = Bills Mafia BM = Baker Mayfield Coincidence? If so I'll say something similar to Bowel Movement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: 2700 yards and 14TDs really hard replace???? Right , but your just grab another bum, you want an upgrade that won't cost a ton of draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Right , but your just grab another bum, you want an upgrade that won't cost a ton of draft picks. Fine use them. Add glenn in the package. Use both 1st glenn and another 1st if needed to get to 2 and get your guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Fine use them. Add glenn in the package. Use both 1st glenn and another 1st if needed to get to 2 and get your guy But who do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: But who do you want? Get to 2 and get Rosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Get to 2 and get Rosen I was originally referring to replacing tyrod with a veteran that would be a good bridge for our rookie . I would trade up for Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: I was originally referring to replacing tyrod with a veteran that would be a good bridge for our rookie . I would trade up for Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen. If Dennison and this system are staying. Bradford, Keenum or Bridgewater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Gun Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 46 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: 2700 yards and 14TDs really hard replace???? No, it's not but the supporters need something to hold on to and they got nothing else because Tyrod is god awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, sven233 said: throw the damn ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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