CodeMonkey Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 https://deadline.com/2017/10/titans-beat-colts-monday-night-football-ratings-fall-season-low-nfl-espn-1202189784/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1) Capricious and erratic enforcement of rules by officials makes many of these "primetime games" unwatchable 2) The "average Joe" is turned off by players making $20 million per season who sit out because they have a sore ankle or tummy ache 3) The protests turned some people off 4) The announcers typically suck balls...everything is over-analyzed in a politically correct way and done so as not to offend the Patriots 5) Far too many commercials 6) Commercialization of the product (beer, cleats, towels, underwear, gloves, golf carts, headphones, etc). 7) Parity But yeah, I still watch it when nothing else is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Sunday is the big game now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Aside from political nonsense with the Anthem, I think it's because they have a lot of terrible matchups. Every team (yes including the Bills) should get a MNF game regardless of what their record was the year before or what the pundits believe. Also for a lot of people, especially working families, it's hard to stay up late in most parts of the country because of the time the game is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Anthem protests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 A bit of all of the above, plus a few other things like officiating, lack of flow due to stoppages, over advertising, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Cord cutting. I don't have ESPN in my Fios package. I don't know that I would watch it anyway after a day of football though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 They're getting close to saturation IMO. Monday Night used to be special because it was, well...Monday night. Now you've got Sunday Night, Thursday Night, etc...it's not a marquee spot anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Lack of interest in the teams playing. Who really watches the anthem? I don't. Taking the game to ESPN is probable a big reason ratings are down. Ratings have been slumping for a while. well before this stupid anthem garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Lack of interest in the teams playing. Who really watches the anthem? I don't. Taking the game to ESPN is probable a big reason ratings are down. It has nothing to do with people watching or not watching the anthem. It has to do with many conservative Americans turning away from the NFL due to a perceived disrespect of the anthem and therefore the military, by some NFL players. In reality, I believe it is a combination of all of the above. The product on the field is watered down and the NFL owners seem a bit out of touch. Is it only MNF that has lower numbers? I am under the impression that ratings and attendance are down across the board. Edited October 17, 2017 by buffaloboyinATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 It's all of the above. The NFL did a great job of locking in the hard core viewer and luring in the casual fan. You push push push on fans and eventually you push them out. The core football fans will put up with almost everything - ticket prices, idiot players, dumb penalties, terrible guys/gals calling the game, hideous online coverage, bad leadership/decisions by the league, etc. However the casual fan can break away easier and find something else to do. The anthem thing is damaging and it's not even about that actual act but within that act is a disdain for the fans/customer. The owners and commissioner quickly recognized this and are trying to put a stop to it but the players want it. They are mad that they aren't allowed to upset the customer and just don't get it. What Sterling Sharpe and Greg Jennings said last night was absolutely ignorant. They literally cannot understand how the fans are linked in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Mainly #1, but personally really don't care about any team outside the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Mainly #1, but personally really don't care about any team outside the Bills. This^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) It has nothing to do with people watching or not watching the anthem. It has to do with many conservative Americans turning away from the NFL due to a perceived disrespect of the anthem and therefore the military, by some NFL players. In reality, I believe it is a combination of all of the above. The product on the field is watered down and the NFL owners seem a bit out of touch. Is it only MNF that has lower numbers? I am under the impression that ratings and attendance are down across the board. conservative Americans perceived disrespect Q how long has the anthem been part of this great game? 2001? Fun Fact ( I hope this is a valid story) http://dailysnark.com/nfl-teams-didnt-stand-national-anthem-2009/ NFL Teams Didn’t Stand For The National Anthem Until 2009 http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/nfl-national-anthem-trump-kaepernick-history-trnd/index.html While the anthem continued to be a game-day fixture, NFL players typically stayed in the locker room for it. There were exceptions, of course -- players observed the anthem after 9/11, and during Super Bowl games. Edited October 17, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 For me it is NFL Red Zone. After watching a Sunday full of football with no commercials or downtime, it is almost impossible to watch a regularly televised game. I think Red Zone is also taking away from game attendance and Sunday viewership as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Aside from political nonsense with the Anthem, I think it's because they have a lot of terrible matchups. Every team (yes including the Bills) should get a MNF game regardless of what their record was the year before or what the pundits believe. Also for a lot of people, especially working families, it's hard to stay up late in most parts of the country because of the time the game is on. in the same post as saying you think a lot of games are being tuned out because of some terrible matchups, you actually contradict yourself in saying that every team should get a Monday night game. If that wasn't the dumbest thing I've ever heard of I have no idea what it. There are plenty of teams that don't deserve to be on prime time. The only reason why they would be is because it's a division game and the NFL sometimes throws bad teams and bad towns a bone. Other than that, it's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 conservative Americans perceived disrespect Q how long has the anthem been part of this great game? 2001? Fun Fact ( I hope this is a valid story) http://dailysnark.com/nfl-teams-didnt-stand-national-anthem-2009/ NFL Teams Didnt Stand For The National Anthem Until 2009 its fake and bull ****. Guess you never went to a game pre 2009. 2001 players held a giant flag over the field, the size of the field, before the game. Jets or Patriots were opponents. And several times I remember watching them on the sidelines. Other times they came out after. I remember lawyer Milloy bills/pats was anthem after players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 This article says yesterdays game had low ratings, not that every MNF game this year does. Who seriously wanted to watch yesterdays game? I couldnt make it past the 3rd quarter. Better matchups dont have lower ratings than the games last year. Everyones trying to find reasons, I think its simply the quality of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romie Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I feel like the refs have too much control of the outcome of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 conservative Americans perceived disrespect Q how long has the anthem been part of this great game? 2001? Fun Fact ( I hope this is a valid story) http://dailysnark.com/nfl-teams-didnt-stand-national-anthem-2009/ NFL Teams Didnt Stand For The National Anthem Until 2009 http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/nfl-national-anthem-trump-kaepernick-history-trnd/index.html While the anthem continued to be a game-day fixture, NFL players typically stayed in the locker room for it. There were exceptions, of course -- players observed the anthem after 9/11, and during Super Bowl games. this is all false. Did you not watch Super Bowl 25 and all the Bills standing on the sidelines. Images of hundreds and hundreds of people crying as Whitney Houston sang the best version of the National Anthem ever? How about every Super Bowl before that or after? You don't go to many games do you? Because I've had season tickets since 2006 and I've been going to games since the late 80s and I can say that I have ALWAYS seen them play the anthem and be on the sidelines for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 For me it is NFL Red Zone. After watching a Sunday full of football with no commercials or downtime, it is almost impossible to watch a regularly televised game. I think Red Zone is also taking away from game attendance and Sunday viewership as well Great point, some prime time games have been quite literally unwatchable this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 you mean why is ANYONE watching after the last dozen-plus years of 90% total dog games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 in the same post as saying you think a lot of games are being tuned out because of some terrible matchups, you actually contradict yourself in saying that every team should get a Monday night game. If that wasn't the dumbest thing I've ever heard of I have no idea what it. There are plenty of teams that don't deserve to be on prime time. The only reason why they would be is because it's a division game and the NFL sometimes throws bad teams and bad towns a bone. Other than that, it's not happening. Let me articulate it a better way, every year the same teams are guaranteed a MNF games including Chicago for example who has had some pretty teams in recent years. Hence what I mean with bad matchups. Bills aren't guaranteed anything although they just had one last year against Seattle. But yes every team should get a game on MNF or they should flex MNF and have the ability to change the game if come Nov/Dec one or both team playing has a bad record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 For me it's overload. Thursday night and Sunday night games, plus I watch each Bills game on DirectTV. By the time Monday rolls around I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) its fake and bull ****. Guess you never went to a game pre 2009. 2001 players held a giant flag over the field, the size of the field, before the game. Jets or Patriots were opponents. And several times I remember watching them on the sidelines. Other times they came out after. I remember lawyer Milloy bills/pats was anthem after players. I haven't been to a Bills game or any other since the late 90's. I still think this was all a big post 9-11 event and corporations are making profit from it. this is all false. Did you not watch Super Bowl 25 and all the Bills standing on the sidelines. Images of hundreds and hundreds of people crying as Whitney Houston sang the best version of the National Anthem ever? How about every Super Bowl before that or after? You don't go to many games do you? Because I've had season tickets since 2006 and I've been going to games since the late 80s and I can say that I have ALWAYS seen them play the anthem and be on the sidelines for it. Jesus don't you guys read? I mentioned 2001 and the Super Bowl as exceptions Where were the players when the anthem was being played? It was in the CNN article that they were in the locker room at the time. Edited October 17, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Match ups are second rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Match ups are second rate Bills deserved more than a meager TNF game against the Jets even if the pundits thought we would truly be hideous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 MNF is a total screw-over by the NFL for bad games to the network. And then the NFL lets NBC handpick the Sunday prime time game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 It's a combination of factors, but I've been saying for years that I hate Monday Night Football. I much prefer having the football week be over after Sunday Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Why do you think Ralph hated MNF games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Why do you think Ralph hated MNF games? Probably because he had to stay up past his bed time. But in all seriousness, wasn't it because of all the drinking and driving and felt they weren't conducive to fan safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 losing Howard Cosell made it into a total jockocracy, taking away some form of unusual entertainment (Dennis Miller didn't help either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think it's a combination of the anthem protests along with the games that were chosen to be shown this year. I know quite a few people, at least 30 that I can think of off top, who aren't watching the NFL due to the protests. Most of them real fans and not just the casual watcher of the game types. I haven't been watching because I'm not really interested in the games that have been on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I haven't been to a Bills game or any other since the late 90's. I still think this was all a big post 9-11 event and corporations are making profit from it. Jesus don't you guys read? I mentioned 2001 and the Super Bowl as exceptions Where were the players when the anthem was being played? It was in the CNN article that they were in the locker room at the time. i didn't need to read it because I've seen all the false reports since all this crap started. I've been going to games for almost 30 years. They've been playing the anthem and they've been on the field for it. Simple as that. They come out of the tunnel. Run around and get rowdy. Then the anthem plays. Then the coin toss. Then they kickoff. Has been that way as far as I can remember. But if you don't go to games and you watch in TV I can see why. Because before all this crap started, the only time they ever showed the anthem in tv was in a big game like the SB or when they trotted everyone out to hold up the huge American flags across the field. But if you want to keep thinking CNN news is gospel, by all means, don't let me ruin your ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 wildly inconsistent reffing, concussions, and lack of talent at skill positions has degraded the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 SNF is bigger and better. MNF has had a succession of trash matchups. As an international viewer I am probably not includee in the figures anyway... but why would I stay up / get up at 1.30am on a work night to watch Tennessee vs Indi? I just download the 40 minute version before I leave for work and watch it on the train on my way to the office. I have got up for 4 TNFs and 2 SNFs so far this season, but zero MNFs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 i didn't need to read it because I've seen all the false reports since all this crap started. I've been going to games for almost 30 years. They've been playing the anthem and they've been on the field for it. Simple as that. They come out of the tunnel. Run around and get rowdy. Then the anthem plays. Then the coin toss. Then they kickoff. Has been that way as far as I can remember. But if you don't go to games and you watch in TV I can see why. Because before all this crap started, the only time they ever showed the anthem in tv was in a big game like the SB or when they trotted everyone out to hold up the huge American flags across the field. But if you want to keep thinking CNN news is gospel, by all means, don't let me ruin your ignorance. Which is kind of my point. In person you see it. The Millions that watch on TV who don't attend don't know. ahh the CNN like is Fake News . Just like the lies from Donny every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Which is kind of my point. In person you see it. The Millions that watch on TV who don't attend don't know. which makes it more believable that fans are tuning out because they don't care to watch these millionaire babies whining about being treated unfairly. And that still doesn't take away from the fact that the news article is incorrect and players have been in the sidelines for the anthem for a long time now. ahh the CNN like is Fake News . Just like the lies from Donny every day of the week. Since I now know why political side of the fence you stand on. I can just stop arguing with you now. Because you are way too stupid, arrogant, and ignorant to ever believe that someone else can be right. Good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I will take a crack at it, and in no specific order. - Greed on the parts of players/owners/league - Too many rules and some are way over analyzed/complicated - The constant pass interference calls for tic tac bs light contact - QB may as well be put on a damn pedestal- you can barely touch them and if you do heaven forbid if the defender is a nano second late - Injuries are more than we have ever seen due to players being bigger, faster, and stronger. Because of this the league is loaded with parity. - Monday night games are not the best time to have a prime time game. Like another poster mentioned- Sundays are boss. If the league was smart shift the Monday night game to a Friday night game starting at 730. People would go out for it or stay in and party. - The kneeling/anthem has taken its toll as well. Everything in this world will rise and then fall. The NFL is falling and the league has a big problem on its hands. If they dont take a hard look at their rules/business model/ticket prices I expect the downward trend to continue. Disclaimer- these are merely my opinions and how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) which makes it more believable that fans are tuning out because they don't care to watch these millionaire babies whining about being treated unfairly. And that still doesn't take away from the fact that the news article is incorrect and players have been in the sidelines for the anthem for a long time now. Since I now know why political side of the fence you stand on. I can just stop arguing with you now. Because you are way too stupid, arrogant, and ignorant to ever believe that someone else can be right. Good day You're half right, so stop speaking so matter-of-factly. The DOD DID indeed pay the NFL beginning in 2009 to have entire teams on the field for the anthem. "while it is true NFL players were not required to be on the field for the national anthem before 2009, they have always had the option to stand on the sidelines during the playing of “The Star-Spangled Banner.” - Snopes It was optional. Edited October 17, 2017 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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