Kaenon Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Chris Hogan 23 receptions 288 yards 5 TDs Robert Woods 17 receptions 252 yards 0 TDs Marquise Goodwin 14 receptions 243 yards 0 TDs Sammy Watkins 14 receptions 211 yards 2 TDs All Bills WR's this season (COMBINED) 24 receptions 316 yards 4 TDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 not gonna lie, i lold. we just dont throw the damn ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Very sad to look at these numbers. Hogan alone nearly eclipses our entire WR group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just a thought - We need a QB that actually throws the ball to where our receivers can catch it. Mason Rudolph for QB 2018 Go Bills!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Man that's depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 They all have better QBs in systems in 2017 NFL offenses, Buffalo has a QB who struggles at throwing the ball and a offense with 2 fullbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017  Chris Hogan23 receptions 288 yards 5 TDs Robert Woods17 receptions 252 yards 0 TDs Marquise Goodwin14 receptions 243 yards 0 TDs Sammy Watkins14 receptions 211 yards 2 TDs All Bills WR's this season (COMBINED)24 receptions 316 yards 4 TDs  You have to consider who is throwing the football...this can't be a direct comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017  Chris Hogan23 receptions 288 yards 5 TDs Robert Woods17 receptions 252 yards 0 TDs Marquise Goodwin14 receptions 243 yards 0 TDs Sammy Watkins14 receptions 211 yards 2 TDs All Bills WR's this season (COMBINED)24 receptions 316 yards 4 TDs   And if those players were still with the Bills, they wouldn't have those numbers. Simply because Tyrod is not a good NFL QB....sorry, but while WR position group needs help, they can't throw the ball to themselves. Other teams make do with their WRs who made a roster spot out of camp, meaning they were good enough for the spot, they can be made into productive WRs. See the Brandon Tate TD from Sunday. Tyrod made a great throw, after having a horrible series preceding the INT and Tate made a great catch. Tate, et. al., can make the catches, but a good QB has to consistently put them in a position to make those catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 So we have more combined yards than Chris Hogan. That's something to build on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Â And if those players were still with the Bills, they wouldn't have those numbers. Simply because Tyrod is not a good NFL QB....sorry, but while WR position group needs help, they can't throw the ball to themselves. Other teams make do with their WRs who made a roster spot out of camp, meaning they were good enough for the spot, they can be made into productive WRs. See the Brandon Tate TD from Sunday. Tyrod made a great throw, after having a horrible series preceding the INT and Tate made a great catch. Tate, et. al., can make the catches, but a good QB has to consistently put them in a position to make those catches. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Sammy-Watkins-took-a-step-toward-dominance-in-2015/2d3af3a4-de5c-414c-8c88-874a1433c3ee Watkins put up big numbers in 2015. They all have better QBs in systems in 2017 NFL offenses, Buffalo has a QB who struggles at throwing the ball and a offense with 2 fullbacks. They also have better WR corps. Ours without Clay and Matthews is the worst.Any one of those ex bills is an improvement form what we have right now. Edited October 10, 2017 by JM2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 We have the same record, or better, than all of the teams with those receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The Bills run plays that the OC calls and when the OL holds up, and when the WR runs the correct route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 We have the same record, or better, than all of the teams with those receivers. LOL... nobody wants to here that fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Very sad to look at these numbers. Hogan alone nearly eclipses our entire WR group. Best thing back in the old BBMB days when Hogan was with us I said he was a solid WR for us and could be a solid #2 WR for any team in the league. 75% of the Debbie Downers laughed me off. Ohh the memories... I would still love Hogan as our #2 WR here. We have the same record, or better, than all of the teams with those receivers. Due to our Defense and Kicker. Edited October 10, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Best thing back in the old BBMB days when Hogan was with us I said he was a solid WR for us and could be a solid #2 WR for any team in the league. 75% of the Debbie Downers laughed me off. Ohh the memories... I would still love Hogan as our #2 WR here. Â Due our Defense and Kicker. If the offense was great and the D and kicker stunk, and we were 3-2, would that also be bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017  Chris Hogan23 receptions 288 yards 5 TDs Robert Woods17 receptions 252 yards 0 TDs Marquise Goodwin14 receptions 243 yards 0 TDs Sammy Watkins14 receptions 211 yards 2 TDs All Bills WR's this season (COMBINED)24 receptions 316 yards 4 TDs  Aha! So it's not about the WRs at all; it's about the QB!  I hope the people at OBD realize this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 So we have more combined yards than Chris Hogan. That's something to build on. Â one baby step of achievement at a time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If the offense was great and the D and kicker stunk, and we were 3-2, would that also be bad? Yes 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 So we have more combined yards than Chris Hogan. That's something to build on. And second in TDs. Not bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I pray we finally pull the plug on TT and draft a guy to compete with Peterman. This next draft better be 60% offense and 40% defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yes 100% So either way a winning record and leading our division is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Hogan is the only one who has been consistent and Woods to some extent. Watkins got both TDs and more than half the yards in one game, the other 4 have been nothing. Similar with Goodwin, one big game and not much else. Our wideouts are bad, especially with Matthews out, but the former guys have been no great shakes with the exception of Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Our WRs suck now. I also am certain that we could have all pros at WRs surrounding Tyrod and hed struggle to get them the ball. Â He is what he is at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Old uncle Kirbs nailed this one. That WR talent was the worst that I ever saw. I loved the pumping up of Andre Holmes before the season. A career bum ended up a bum. Who'd have thunk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 So either way a winning record and leading our division is bad What's your excuse in 5 days when we are not leading the division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Our WRs suck now. I also am certain that we could have all pros at WRs surrounding Tyrod and hed struggle to get them the ball. Â He is what he is at this point. He did just fine with a healthy Watkins and Woods, far better receivers. What's your excuse in 5 days when we are not leading the division? That we beat TB and we're back in first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Â That we beat TB and we're back in first. If we beat Tampa. We'd have a much better chance if we had last years WR core but that is not happening. I hope Beane actually tries something this week. Edited October 10, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If the offense was great and the D and kicker stunk, and we were 3-2, would that also be bad? Â That was 2016 in a nutshell, and yes, it was bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 That was 2016 in a nutshell, and yes, it was bad. Isn't it great the way we mix it up for some variety??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Â That was 2016 in a nutshell, and yes, it was bad. Yeah he forgot in 2015 we started out 3-2 and 2016 we started 4-2 Â The 2 faces of this team is just insane. Will we ever get both sides of the ball to click again at the same time? Edited October 10, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 What WR has excelled with Tyrod as QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Old uncle Kirbs nailed this one. That WR talent was the worst that I ever saw. I loved the pumping up of Andre Holmes before the season. A career bum ended up a bum. Who'd have thunk it? So....you're saying he's no Donald Jones? Oh wait....maybe he's just the NEW Donald Jones. I feel like I'm living in Groundhogs Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 What's your excuse in 5 days when we are not leading the division? I don't have to have an excuse. This isn't nursery school and maybe your dad can beat up mine. or vice versa. Â In 5 days either NE or the Jets would temporarily be in the lead because we have a bye. The Bills win the next week and they can be back in front. Â Everyone understands where things are, and that would include the Bills themselves. The D is playing very well as are special teams. The offense needs to step It up big time. They should use the bye week to get healthier, to break down their deficiencies on offense and figure out a plan for improvement, and to potentially bring in reinforcements if they deem them necessary and if they are available. Â They will win based on a strong D and kicking game, and if the offense can be efficient like they did in their victories. We will see if they can. No doubt the Clay injury hurts, but we'll see what remedies the staff conjures up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Yeah he forgot in 2015 we started out 3-2 and 2016 we started 4-2 Â The 2 faces of this team is just insane. Will we ever get both sides of the ball to click again at the same time? Sure would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 We have the same record, or better, than all of the teams with those receivers. If we had them all how many wins would it have added? At least 1 maybe 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Sammy-Watkins-took-a-step-toward-dominance-in-2015/2d3af3a4-de5c-414c-8c88-874a1433c3ee Watkins put up big numbers in 2015. They also have better WR corps. Ours without Clay and Matthews is the worst.Any one of those ex bills is an improvement form what we have right now. Â The argument was that if those receivers were with the Bills now, those WRs would be contributing in a big way to the Offensive production, thereby changing the fate of the Bills in the current record and / or that their numbers would be similar here. Sorry, but when I say that Tyrod isn't a good QB, that means that no matter who you put over there, it isn't going to change the fate of the Bills in a measurably significant way. I'm not dumb enough to think that the passing game yards wouldn't go up, but what I AM saying is that they would not have the production initially referenced. Moreover, I sincerely don't think it would give us the two wins we lost out on, simply because he still needs to stand in the pocket in the face of pressure, anticipate spots and throw the WR open while actually hitting receivers accurately, instead of frequently behind, over or low....unless it's a deep ball, then he throws the ball well. But, how many times are NFL wide open receivers just flat-out missed?? In terms of NFL frequency: often. Â Get this team a legit NFL QB....Tyrod is not it. His elusiveness and ability to escape out of the pocket, gaining yards and making dynamic plays are the FRUIT OF HIS OWN DECISIONS. Or, lack of decision(s) as he holds the ball too long.....take a look at the play when I think it was Logan Thomas was NFL wide open in the flat on a bootleg and Tyrod held the ball too long and by the time he was ready / willing to throw, he had to throw the ball over and out of the Defender's position, resulting in the ball being thrown out of bounds. However, had he simply pulled the trigger as soon as he rolled out, Logan Thomas most likely would have had a TD (presuming the throw wasn't Tyrod Terrible and Logan caught the ball). Those four points they left on the field....pretty important as the end result: a loss by 4 points. Â That's the difference between Terrible Tyrod and a quality NFL QB. I like the guy as a human being, as he seems to love the game, work hard and be a decent overall guy. And respect his gifted athleticism but he is NOT AN NFL QUALITY QB....IMHO of course. Edited October 11, 2017 by BigBuff423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Like it or not WR talent does matter. Tyrod shares some of the blame for the anemic passing attack but so does the not so talented wr corps. This group was not very talented to begin with and we have already lost Matthews and Clay. It would be challenging for the best QBs in the league to produce with this wr group. Take away Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson and you will notice a difference in the GB passing attack. We have seen that taking out Edelman and Gronk makes Brady look human. Eli Manning looked even more terrible without OBJ and we will see that again. Conversely, Goff is surrounded with a talented group of wrs as well as a smart OC and he looks much improved from last year. Better and more explosive weapons have been put around Alex Smith and he has elevated his game to a new level. Â Is Tyrod a good passing QB, not really. He can be decent and with the right talent he can be explosive with his downfield throws. Probably his best asset as a passer is his deep throws and we have no deep threat wr. They either lack size, speed, catch radius, and/or the ability to track the ball. So we are reduced to a short passing attack which is really not his forte. And our wrs offer almost no elusiveness after the catch, if they do catch it. I don't see much changing and defenses realize there is no real threat downfield so they can focus on stopping our running game. And our new OC uses Tyrod more like a traditional passer instead of taking advantage of his running skills like the previous coordinators. Maybe they use the bye week to rethink things and come out with a better plan, but there really is only so much an OC can do with the limited weapons outside. Edited October 11, 2017 by racketmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I remember a lot of people thought Hogan was a dime a dozen and would not make most teams. People didn't like Woods or Goodwin either. The WR's have lost talent but the fundamental problem is the desire and ability to throw to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Yeah but now show the numbers for former Bills TE's vs. current Bills TE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Â Chris Hogan23 receptions 288 yards 5 TDs Robert Woods17 receptions 252 yards 0 TDs Marquise Goodwin14 receptions 243 yards 0 TDs Sammy Watkins14 receptions 211 yards 2 TDs All Bills WR's this season (COMBINED)24 receptions 316 yards 4 TDs Ahhhh. Thats what that top 5 meme has been about😎 Edited October 11, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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