BillsfanAZ Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Theoretically wouldn't a run first team with McCoy be easier on a QB? I think Watkins, Matthews and Charles Clay would be a comparable group to what HOU has. Certainly not devoid of talent. Watson would have the benefit of OTAs training camp / offseason practices with Watkins et al just like Goff and Kupp. Watkins just got to LA in August and has yet to establish a comfort zone with Goff as has Kupp. That makes sense as you feel comfortable with guys you have practiced with all off-season . Kupp dropped a potential game winner today, btw. They were playing the SEA defense today , they're kind of good. Your scenario doesn't hold water. No reason Watson couldn't be succeeding here right now. It's like saying Watson couldn't play well here because... it's Buffalo. Nonsense. You make it sound like that pass hit Kupp in the chest. That was a very tough catch that he laid out for and slammed his head into the ground for. Just because I dont agree with your opinion doesnt mean it is nonsense. There is more to a team than QB. For a QB to produce it takes the right mix of talent, scheme, and players around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 You make it sound like that pass hit Kupp in the chest. That was a very tough catch that he laid out for and slammed his head into the ground for. Just because I dont agree with your opinion doesnt mean it is nonsense. There is more to a team than QB. For a QB to produce it takes the right mix of talent, scheme, and players around him. It does. And there could have been plenty of it for Watson to succeed in Buffalo. Exactly as I described it. The Rams also turned the ball iver 5 times today. It's not as though Watkins lost them the game. Acting like Deshaun Watson couldn't be doing something similar to what he has done in Buffalo isn't based in reality. It doesn't guarantee that he would, but he certainly could. A QB is the most important thing. You're either good or you're not. Being on the Bills is not detrimental to a player's chances of success . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 It's a fair deal at best, not a great deal. It meant no Watson which may be a factor to downgrade the trade. It depends what they net out of the pick player wise really. If the Chiefs pick nets them a QB or is part of a package to get a QB then it could be more favorable Based on the actual values of players and what the picks SHOULD be worth, not that ridiculous draft chart, the Bills got the same value as would have been expected if they had traded the #1 pick. It was a great deal based on the value of the pick they gave up in relation to what they received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Mahomes playing with the chiefs is a lot different than Mahomes or Watson playing with the Bills. The Bills collected picks in next years draft because they are lacking talent and depth. The Bills have a decent defense but are lacking offensive talent. It is a pleasure to read something rational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Drafted a QB.........for the first time ever with their original first round pick. They've traded back and taken one(EJ Manuel)........and used their second first round pick on a QB(Jim Kelly in 1983 and a trade-up to get back in round one for JP Losman)........but they have never just made the simple selection of the top QB on their board with their first, first round pick. Not once "ALL IN" on a QB prospect in almost 60 years of drafting. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Thank you. Eventually this organisation has to pull that trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Manager Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I am trying to figure out why you would NOT consider White Our first round pick Tre WHite has been one of the BEST corners in a corner rich draft.....even today getting beat by AJ Green he still made several plays SO....we lose Gilmore....it would have made total sense to draft a corner with our pick before we even made the trade for the 1st round pick BUT WE DID NOT DO THAT.....we got Tre White AND a 1st round pick.....who cares if it is a later pick....it will still be a first rounder. Which qb will we obtain with the 30th pick ? The boneheads in the FO punted on Watson/Mahomes. Gonna have to draft another corner with it to replace brittle Gaines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Which qb will we obtain with the 30th pick ? The boneheads in the FO punted on Watson/Mahomes. Gonna have to draft another corner with it to replace brittle Gaines. Let's look at some of the starting QBs in the league today: Rogers: 24th pick Brady: 6th round Brees: 2nd round Prescott: 4th round Cousins: 4th round Dalton: 2nd round Carr: 2nd round Draft the right guy, not just a guy up high in round 1 because you reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 If they land Baker Mayfield, all is forgiven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I have no doubt they'll draft a QB. But I will bet it's a guy most people don't have on their radar right now. I think they'll be looking for a guy that has run a pro style offense in college, and many of the supposed top guys haven't. Plus we all know what will happen between now and next spring. Already these QBs are getting torn apart and critiqued to a ridiculous extent. Now it's that Darnold throws too many picks, Rosen is a head case. I read somewhere that scouts have Rudolph graded as a third day draft pick. And so on. So they'll draft a guy. But it's a crap shoot as to who it is. And I'll bet Peterman starts game one next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I think we sign a guy like cousins and load the team with talent Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Let's look at some of the starting QBs in the league today: Rogers: 24th pick Brady: 6th round Brees: 2nd round Prescott: 4th round Cousins: 4th round Dalton: 2nd round Carr: 2nd round Draft the right guy, not just a guy up high in round 1 because you reach. boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 One thing that bothered me about the trade was it was reported that the Giants were trying to trade up, but the Bills already had a "gentleman's agreement" with the Chiefs. We'd probably feel a lot better right now if we were holding the Giants' 2018 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Let's look at some of the starting QBs in the league today: Rogers: 24th pick Brady: 6th round Brees: 2nd round Prescott: 4th round Cousins: 4th round Dalton: 2nd round Carr: 2nd round Draft the right guy, not just a guy up high in round 1 because you reach. Eli, Ben, Smith, Watson, Winston, Wentz, Ryan, Flacco, Rodgers, Cam, Luck, Goff, Bradford, Stafford. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Eli, Ben, Smith, Watson, Winston, Wentz, Ryan, Flacco, Rodgers, Cam, Luck, Goff, Bradford, Stafford. Oh. Eli, Ben, Smith, Watson, Winston, Wentz, Ryan, Flacco, Rodgers, Cam, Luck, Goff, Bradford, Stafford. Oh. Yes, sometimes it works when you draft a guy high. And sometimes it doesn't. Would you like me to start listing higher first round QB picks that didn't work out? The list woul be very long (Russell, Couch, etc, etc , etc.) It is about picking the right guy. Not where you pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 as soon as they made the trade i said dumb trade partner to choose, KC is going to the AFC championship game. pick #30 doesn't help us much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Yes, sometimes it works when you draft a guy high. And sometimes it doesn't. Would you like me to start listing higher first round QB picks that didn't work out? The list woul be very long (Russell, Couch, etc, etc , etc.) It is about picking the right guy. Not where you pick him. Would you like me to list the QB's picked in rounds 2-6 that didn't work out? That list is longer. Edited October 9, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 as soon as they made the trade i said dumb trade partner to choose, KC is going to the AFC championship game. pick #30 doesn't help us much First round picks are always valuable. You would get one of the 30 top players coming out. That helps a ton if you pick the right guy. What if you pick an OT that becomes a Pro Bowler? Would you like me to list the QB's picked in rounds 2-6 that didn't work out? The list is longer. And it would change nothing with respect to my point. It is about picking the right guy, not where you pick him. The front office will do its due diligence and target the guy they think is the best guy. If they feel they have to, they have the ammunition to trade picks to move up. Doing some quick math, 17 current starters were drafted in the top half of round 1, and 15 were below the top half of round one or lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Yup we missed on another great QB class and stockpiling for next years class which is super over hyped already. typical bills Thats why I am not in favor of wasting picks to move to get a QB, use all SIX picks in the first 3 rounds and build a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Ill be the first to admit... didnt expect KC to be this good. Sitting are 5-0, one would assume that they will be in the playoffs again, perhaps with a first round Bye. So STRICTLY LOOKING AT PICKS (do not factor in White)... was it a good trade? Bills trade 10th overall pick for: 2017 27th overall pick 2017 3rd round pick 2018 (ESTIMATED) 25th-32nd overall pick Yes. Still has the potential to be a great trade. The picks themselves are a moot point. It's what you do with the picks that counts. As of right now, the results of the trade are KC took the QB and we have Tre White. White obviously has been the more productive of the 2 so far. Now what makes or breaks the trade is that extra number 1. Do we use it to move up for a QB? Does a QB drop in our lap? Do we sign a FA QB and use it on a oline or WR? Still a long way to go to debate this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Which qb will we obtain with the 30th pick ? The boneheads in the FO punted on Watson/Mahomes. Gonna have to draft another corner with it to replace brittle Gaines. Wait who is gonna have the 30th pick (we sure as hell aint) Let's look at some of the starting QBs in the league today: Rogers: 24th pick Brady: 6th round Brees: 2nd round Prescott: 4th round Cousins: 4th round Dalton: 2nd round Carr: 2nd round Draft the right guy, not just a guy up high in round 1 because you reach. And now the Rest are what again. Yeah high 1st round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Which qb will we obtain with the 30th pick ? The boneheads in the FO punted on Watson/Mahomes. Gonna have to draft another corner with it to replace brittle Gaines. The draft is still a ways away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 It's funny. All this QB talk and the QB of the future here might just be standing on the sidelines right now holding a clipboard. Ya just never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 It is a pleasure to read something rational. The Chiefs analogy is rational. Houston is much closer to what the Bills could have had around Watson. Maybe even less. No reason he couldn't be a success here. Thinking he couldn't is classic BBFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 All the trades we made are with teams that will be picking in the bottom half of their respective rounds especially the Eagles and Chiefs. Jury is still out on the Rams but can't imagine they will be any worse than 9-7 or 8-8 this year which also makes the Watkins trade bad in hindsight considering we could have used him this year and probably would be in a much better spot offensively with him on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Wait who is gonna have the 30th pick (we sure as hell aint) And now the Rest are what again. Yeah high 1st round picks. 17 current starters were middle of first round or above, 15 were mid first round and below. So just stop. It is who you pick and not where you pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Passing on Watson was another huge, huge miss that sends our team back even further. White has been good but if you compare the 2 right now Watson brings more wins to our team easily. Comparing a CB and possible franchise QB on it's own it just silly anyways. Last 4 games Watson has 12 TD's. He has completely revamped the entire Hou offense. He has 4 INT's so he must suck though right? Last 4 games Bills have 4 total TD's on Offense. Edited October 9, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickrage Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I wanted watson at 10 I wanted watson at 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 We will end up trading our first and 2nd rounders to trade up and go after one of the QBs this draft. Hope we dont blow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I likeWhite a lot, but would have liked Watson as the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I wanted watson at 10 I wanted watson at 10 Who should we play at corner with no Gilmore Who should we play at corner with no Glmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 We will end up trading our first and 2nd rounders to trade up and go after one of the QBs this draft. Hope we dont blow it. It depends on whose willing though because right now all three winless teams are likely going to be looking at a QB, even the Giants who nobody expected to be terrible this year because Eli Manning's best days are obviously behind him as well. Also you have to consider that any team in the top 5 willing to trade out is still going to be looking for a king's ransom especially know the assets the Bills have which is why it would be smart to use some of them now to try and get immediate help this year for a playoff push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 First round picks are always valuable. You would get one of the 30 top players coming out. That helps a ton if you pick the right guy. What if you pick an OT that becomes a Pro Bowler? And it would change nothing with respect to my point. It is about picking the right guy, not where you pick him. The front office will do its due diligence and target the guy they think is the best guy. If they feel they have to, they have the ammunition to trade picks to move up. Doing some quick math, 17 current starters were drafted in the top half of round 1, and 15 were below the top half of round one or lower. Wow. Just draft a good QB in whatever round they are in. Why didn't we think of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Wait who is gonna have the 30th pick (we sure as hell aint) Correct. our pick will be #32 Go BILLS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Don't look back, you are not going that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Wow. Just draft a good QB in whatever round they are in. Why didn't we think of that. Now you're being deliberately dumb. What Beane and his assistants and scouts need to do is exhaustively evaluate the QBs coming out this year. And then pick one they truly feel can handle the pro game and that has the smarts and mental makeup to succeed. If it's a guy like a Wentz then do what they have to do to get him. Trade up if they need to. But if it's a guy like Wilson you can get later, do it then. People joke about process but that's the kind of process they need to go through. As I stated and you want to ignore, about half of the current starting QBs were drafted lower than mid round one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Now you're being deliberately dumb. What Beane and his assistants and scouts need to do is exhaustively evaluate the QBs coming out this year. And then pick one they truly feel can handle the pro game and that has the smarts and mental makeup to succeed. If it's a guy like a Wentz then do what they have to do to get him. Trade up if they need to. But if it's a guy like Wilson you can get later, do it then. People joke about process but that's the kind of process they need to go through. As I stated and you want to ignore, about half of the current starting QBs were drafted lower than mid round one. You listed 7 QB's. I agree that there's no reason to take a QB you like in the 1st if he's gonna last til the later rounds. But the Bills may have liked Carr and waited too long to get him, too. It goes both ways. I'd rather have taken Carr 8th overall than not gotten him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 You listed 7 QB's. I agree that there's no reason to take a QB you like in the 1st if he's gonna last til the later rounds. But the Bills may have liked Carr and waited too long to get him, too. It goes both ways. I'd rather have taken Carr 8th overall than not gotten him at all. Perhaps it was in another thread. If you look at the current starters in the NFL 17 were mid first round and up, and 15 were lower than mid first round. I have no doubt they're going to try and find their guy next spring. But where that guy falls in the draft can vary. They have the ammunition to move up if need be. I do have a suspicion Peterman is the starter opening day 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) The way T. White is playing it would have been a win even if it was for only the Chiefs 2nd round pick next year. However, we may regret not staying put and drafing Mahomes or Watson. Edited October 10, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwell Tarly Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Its only October. I wouldn't declare Watson great just yet. Lets see how he does once teams get some good film on him, and once the weather turns lousy. There gave been plenty of September superstars over the years who can't cut it for the long haul. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Bills will have a top 15 pick and a bottom 5 pick. There are about 4 college QBs that are equally as good as Trubisky who went #2 overall. There will be solid QBs to be had threw 2 rounds next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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