GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Yeah.......nobody has the breakdown.......because it's not at all obvious which plays he got a pressure on. I mean, it's two plays.......which where they? Well when Game Pass Europe uploads the all 22 and I can watch it back I will tell you which I think they were. However they only uploaded week 1 all 22 after week 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 what I am saying is that after watching the game a couple times I don't see the plays where he "pressured" Cam Newton........and apparently he didn't see them either. I should say I have only seen the game once... the live broadcast. I am not saying I gave him 2 pressures. I am saying PFF did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Sure did...about what I expected from a motivated Chris Jones. If I couldn't have Myles Jack at 19, Chris Jones was my guy. I know the numbers didn't show it last week, but Jack was everywhere against both Houston and Tennessee. Yup. Jack looks to be back to being special. he was a stud the past two weeks. We both carried that torch, still burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Sure did...about what I expected from a motivated Chris Jones. If I couldn't have Myles Jack at 19, Chris Jones was my guy. I know the numbers didn't show it last week, but Jack was everywhere against both Houston and Tennessee. Jack was BPA........by a lot, based on the ability he'd shown. Even with the knee issue you take that chance because he is a potential superstar. Shaq is not. Nice player.......but much lower ceiling and as it turns out........no less of a work in progress than Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 #BADOL logic "I can't remember" = never happened Wasn't your own stat "I think like 3 pressures" or similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) Wasn't your own stat "I think like 3 pressures" or similar? You'll have to forgive Wayne. He's still furiously Googling for an article that proves "most sacks are a result of cleanup plays." It could be a while. Edited September 20, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Wasn't your own stat "I think like 3 pressures" or similar? "Pressures" is a subjective stat. According to me it was three, acccording to PFF it was two. But thanks for playing. You'll have to forgive Wayne. He's still furiously Googling for an article that proves "most sacks are a result of cleanup plays." It could be a while. You've had it handed to you over and over again in this thread, I think you should probably stand down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Jack was BPA........by a lot, based on the ability he'd shown. Even with the knee issue you take that chance because he is a potential superstar. Shaq is not. Nice player.......but much lower ceiling and as it turns out........no less of a work in progress than Jack. Jack and Jaylon Smith were the two guys ahead of Shaq on my board when it came to #19. I do accept that Shaq ended up no safer health wise than Jack and had they picked Jack that would have been fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) "Pressures" is a subjective stat. According to me it was three, acccording to PFF it was two. But thanks for playing. You've had it handed to you over and over again in this thread, I think you should probably stand down. And best badol has presented is he thinks two is generous based on his watch. Which plays did you pencil in as your three? It would go a LONG way in defining this conversation. In "I didn't see any" vs "I saw three" it's much easier to further the debate by presenting the three you saw. Edited September 21, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 "Pressures" is a subjective stat. According to me it was three, acccording to PFF it was two. But thanks for playing. You've had it handed to you over and over again in this thread, I think you should probably stand down. Ha ha, no Wayne. I actually demonstrated what you linked actually worked against your claim/asspull. Please show me the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 For my part STILL no all 22 on Game Pass Europe. Service sucks so far this year. They have taken something that worked well and made it suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 And best badol has presented is he thinks two is generous based on his watch. Which plays did you pencil in as your three? It would go a LONG way in defining this conversation. In "I didn't see any" vs "I saw three" it's much easier to further the debate by presenting the three you saw. I can probably help a bit... Here's one: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910151119065796608 Here's (reasonably considered) another: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910141379321454592 This one for sure: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910140657985089537 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 I can probably help a bit... Here's one: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910151119065796608 Here's (reasonably considered) another: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910141379321454592 This one for sure: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910140657985089537 Thanks bandit. There's was another one later in the 3rd quarter that was more legit than the second and third links there. I don't have All-22 or else I'd find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I can probably help a bit... Here's one: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910151119065796608 Here's (reasonably considered) another: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910141379321454592 This one for sure: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/910140657985089537 Thanks Bandit! Yeah, I noted the multiple completely unblocked plays and another instance where Shaq didn't get off the line but then Cam ran over to his side creating an unblocked situation..............but in two games the closest he's come to hitting a QB is touching Cam when he was giving himself up for that vulture sack. I thought he played a decent game but still not seeing ANY plays as a pass rusher that make me say "THAT'S why he was a first rounder". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I thought he played a decent game but still not seeing ANY plays as a pass rusher that make me say "THAT'S why he was a first rounder". Whereas the guy I was truly pounding the table for: https://twitter.com/NFLFilmStudy/status/910349076977344512 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Whereas the guy I was truly pounding the table for: https://twitter.com/NFLFilmStudy/status/910349076977344512 That's an edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 That's an edge rusher. The RT whiffed horribly and not because anything spence did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 You'll have to forgive Wayne. He's still furiously Googling for an article that proves "most sacks are a result of cleanup plays." It could be a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) Jack was BPA........by a lot, based on the ability he'd shown. Even with the knee issue you take that chance because he is a potential superstar. Shaq is not. Nice player.......but much lower ceiling and as it turns out........no less of a work in progress than Jack. Really tired of the lower ceiling blast. What the hell does that even mean. Ive seen so many players with so called high ceilings flame out. Ill bet Marcell Dareus had a high ceiling and Kyle Williams probably didnt even have a ceiling. Ill take a player like Kyle over Captain fat a$$ 24/7. Shaq reminds me alot of Kyle. Yes I realize one is an end and one is a tackle. Im talking about character. Grit. Playing hard all the time. Thats Shaq. You wont be able to run his way and hell give you 8-10 sacks a year. Ill take 11 of those types of players on defense over some underacheiver with a high ceiling. Shaq is gonna very quietly establish himself as one of our top defenders over the next few years. Someone you can always count on. Not flashy. Just dependable and solid as a rock. Edited September 21, 2017 by Billsmovinup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Two games into the season, Shaq is probably tied w Tre White for 4th best defender on the team behind Kyle, Hughes, and Poyer... probably the entire team at this point if you consider shady and the line had a really good game and a really bad game so far at this point whereas the D has had two great games. This thread is ridiculous. Shaq haters, just admit that his first two games this year look like a radical improvement over his injury plagued rookie year, and it's POSSIBLE he continues to get better given he's only started a few games in his career. This way, you can go away without admitting you are wrong, and you also can back off your ridiculous position while saving face. We can check back in 8 to 12 weeks and see what's what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 Really tired of the lower ceiling blast. What the hell does that even mean. Ive seen so many players with so called high ceilings flame out. Ill bet Marcell Dareus had a high ceiling and Kyle Williams probably didnt even have a ceiling. Ill take a player like Kyle over Captain fat a$$ 24/7. Shaq reminds me alot of Kyle. Yes I realize one is an end and one is a tackle. Im talking about character. Grit. Playing hard all the time. Thats Shaq. You wont be able to run his way and hell give you 8-10 sacks a year. Ill take 11 of those types of players on defense over some underacheiver with a high ceiling. Shaq is gonna very quietly establish himself as one of our top defenders over the next few years. Someone you can always count on. Not flashy. Just dependable and solid as a rock. It means potential but it never made sense in this context because it insinuates that Lawson lacks natural skills and athleticism which we know for a fact isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 This is the thing We dont even know what Shaq is yet as a NFL player......way too soon He appears to have a great work eithic...it starts there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Two games into the season, Shaq is probably tied w Tre White for 4th best defender on the team behind Kyle, Hughes, and Poyer... probably the entire team at this point if you consider shady and the line had a really good game and a really bad game so far at this point whereas the D has had two great games. This thread is ridiculous. Shaq haters, just admit that his first two games this year look like a radical improvement over his injury plagued rookie year, and it's POSSIBLE he continues to get better given he's only started a few games in his career. This way, you can go away without admitting you are wrong, and you also can back off your ridiculous position while saving face. We can check back in 8 to 12 weeks and see what's what. yea, he seems alright. not anything to fret over by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Give me Shaq over Spence every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Give me Shaq over Spence every day.Spencer Johnson? Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 4) DE Shaq LawsonSnaps on the Field: 43/70Grade vs. Broncos: B+- For those that listen to the Bills Beat podcast (you can subscribe on iTunes here), you’ll have known of the type of effort that Shaq Lawson has put it on a weekly basis to start the 2017 season. He already has three sacks to his name, but that isn’t the most impressive part of his game at this stage of his career. Lawson has proven over the first three weeks to be a ferocious run defender in this scheme, bull rushing his offensive lineman wherever he wants in an effort to either make the play, or to set up one of his defenders to bring down the ball carrier. If he continues to learn from Jerry Hughes in the ways of rushing the passer (the way that Hughes did with Dwight Freeney in Indianapolis), he could become a big part of this defense for the foreseeable future. He’s off to a great start in his career. http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-buffalo-bills-all-22-review-vs-denver-broncos-9_26_17-?page=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 4) DE Shaq Lawson Snaps on the Field: 43/70 Grade vs. Broncos: B+ - For those that listen to the Bills Beat podcast (you can subscribe on iTunes here), you’ll have known of the type of effort that Shaq Lawson has put it on a weekly basis to start the 2017 season. He already has three sacks to his name, but that isn’t the most impressive part of his game at this stage of his career. Lawson has proven over the first three weeks to be a ferocious run defender in this scheme, bull rushing his offensive lineman wherever he wants in an effort to either make the play, or to set up one of his defenders to bring down the ball carrier. If he continues to learn from Jerry Hughes in the ways of rushing the passer (the way that Hughes did with Dwight Freeney in Indianapolis), he could become a big part of this defense for the foreseeable future. He’s off to a great start in his career. http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-buffalo-bills-all-22-review-vs-denver-broncos-9_26_17-?page=2 He has 2 sacks this season actually, not three. He has been exceptional in run defense, there is no question about that. He has to continue to have some value as a rusher as well. He doesn't have to blow the doors off but he has to apply some pressure. I think he has done that reasonably well so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 He has 2 sacks this season actually, not three. He has been exceptional in run defense, there is no question about that. He has to continue to have some value as a rusher as well. He doesn't have to blow the doors off but he has to apply some pressure. I think he has done that reasonably well so far. He's been really good. Watching the all 22s and how he's been dominate in the trenches has been fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 He's been really good. Watching the all 22s and how he's been dominate in the trenches has been fun. He looks much improved from 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 He's been really good. Watching the all 22s and how he's been dominate in the trenches has been fun. the pass rush numbers are gonna come....they tend to come in bunches when they happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 the pass rush numbers are gonna come....they tend to come in bunches when they happen Agreed it's going to come. He is definitely adding value right now. It seems to me that McD tends to sub for him in obvious passing situations. This could be just part of natural rotation, but it seems to me he has more confidence in Yarborough and Lorax as edge rushers right now. I think Lawson will continue to improve though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Agreed it's going to come. He is definitely adding value right now. It seems to me that McD tends to sub for him in obvious passing situations. This could be just part of natural rotation, but it seems to me he has more confidence in Yarborough and Lorax as edge rushers right now. I think Lawson will continue to improve though. I've seen him play DT in those situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 @MatthewFairburn Shaq Lawson was limited in practice with a groin. Hurt it today during practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 @MatthewFairburn Shaq Lawson was limited in practice with a groin. Hurt it today during practice. BUST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 @mikerodak Just asked Bills DE Shaq Lawson about his groin injury. He’s on his way to see doctor to determine severity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 @mikerodak Just asked Bills DE Shaq Lawson about his groin injury. He’s on his way to see doctor to determine severity. Rodak, he is all over those groins. Bills seem to lead league in groins every year. Weather, Diet, Love Canal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Leslie Fraiser credited Shaq Lawson for how good they are against the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 It's not gay if one of us fans rubs that groin to loosen it up. It's for the betterment of the team. Who's volunteering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Bills need Shaq to pan out because outside of him and possibly Preston Brown and Dareus (And who knows how much longer Dareus will be here) the primary players on the front 7 are older. Hughes is 31, Kyle is 34, Lorax is 34, Humber is 30, and there aren't a lot of young players behind them that you can say are the heir apparent. Shaq could be a guy that this D-line gets built around for years but if he busts then the Bills might have to invest multiple early round picks in the front 7, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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